ISIS

[NowhereInTime]

Turns out the US needs a leader in the White House, and the world doesn't do very well without US leadership.

Because the world was at peace with W. in the White House? Reagan? You're deluding yourself or just making a false argument.

Remember when it was pointed out that Obama had no relevant experience and no accomplishments?  The swooners said he was unflappable and just so smart, and that's all that was needed.

1) What is he doing wrong?

2) Who would do any better? Why?

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Yes, your post in German is remarkably similar to this in rhyme

http://youtu.be/ZuqIGB1yqXs

Danke für das wunderschöne poetische Gleichnis zum Untergang des Abendlandes, das ich wohl beschworen habe, aber Alter kennt der Ehre noch.... Ich habe die Youtoube Adresse als Schatz gespeichert

doch nun zurück zu den Taten, die, auch im Alter, immer noch zu tun sind...

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Danke für das wunderschöne poetische Gleichnis zum Untergang des Abendlandes, das ich wohl beschworen habe, aber Alter kennt der Ehre noch.... Ich habe die Youtoube Adresse als Schatz gespeichert

doch nun zurück zu den Taten, die, auch im Alter, immer noch zu tun sind...

Rudolph, your original questions are very difficult.

My opinion, man to man, is that the world does not trust Middle East actions AND does not trust US actions, so they wait.

Always, in any situation, it is an advantage to delay, so the world will delay.

It is interesting you mention China.
For 2500 years the China strategy is delay and talk only to winners after the fight.

[FightTheFuture]

Well, it`s just damned unfortunate that there will have to be a considerable amount more slaughtering of Christians and other non-Muslims before the "world" (meaning: USA, UK, Australia and Canada) will actually take the threat seriously.

I suspect by the end of this year, we`ll have as many as 10k combat troops in Iraq assisting the Peshmerga. Even that won`t be nearly enough. So, this will be an issue during the `16 election cycle.

[albrecht]

Alas, the only people who know how to deal with radical Islamists are either other Muslims (Shites for example or Sunnis but from different sects or clans) and Slavs. And when they do so the west gets very squeamish. Recall all the punditry, hand-wringing, and outrage with Russia over Chechnya? Or how the west went so far to support the radical Islamist terrorists (including criminal gangs involved in weapon, drugs, and sexual smuggling) in Serbia? Heck, we almost got into it with Russia at a stand-off at the airport over our support for the Moslems. Clinton even bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade for goodness sakes to support them! Why? There were horrible, horrible atrocities committed. Yes. Human rights violations, sure. The war was awful and tragic. But both sides were committing heinous acts. So considering that why not at least side with the Christians whose land it was? Now the UN has given Kosovo to radical Muslims and sits back as churches are burnt, lands are ethnically cleansed, etc. These "fighters" we supported later are found in the wars in Afghanistan, terrorist campaigns, etc. Assad is another example. A few years ago he and his wife were lauded by the press. So liberal etc. Now we are supporting the radicals against him. Why? Maybe we need to let some strongmen, albeit not clean or up to Western snuff, stay- certainly better that ISIl/ISIS/IS?

They want to fight and act like some backwards, even pre-medieval manner maybe we should do same back? Or, lacking the conscience or guts, do it by proxy and allow the Slavs, the Russians, The Kurds, Christian groups (Phalange etc), strong warlord clan chieftain, etc. Kill them all, salt their fields, etc.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Thank you for your attention to my warning message so far, and for your constructive thoughts given in your contributions. The Middle East may be far from you but only less than a second for a murderer message. And one ore another also from you may suddenly not be able to login here evermore, because found with bloody neck cut trough by a slaughter of Kalif Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, including me, as I am easy to detect.

So there is no time for trade offs. Everybody able to has to elimit Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ASAP, and all of his successors too. I hope there is some man or special unit with the power to hit this Kalif. The ISIS people are the secondary problem, weakened being without head, they could be defeated easier.

As long this threat exists the world is a very dangerous place now, we live with many risks, but this risk exceeds the average of the other by dimensions.

Beware of you, my mind is with you and your brave Mr. President.

   

[Quick Karl]

More culture from the Religion of Peace.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/american-journalist-james-foley-reportedly-4076534

This is what happens to people that believe they can negotiate with animals.

[The General]

Yep. 

I'd just like to say, here and now, that we'll be seeing members of ISIS engaged in nefarious behavior on this side of the globe before the next presidential election.  That's my prediction.  I hope I'm wrong. 

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I'd just like to say, here and now, that we'll be seeing members of ISIS engaged in nefarious behavior on this side of the globe before the next presidential election. 

Yeah, I'd say it will be timed to occur right before the Republican convention.

Republicans -- Keeping America Scared


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P377-hXDL0

[VtaGeezer]

More culture from the Religion of Peace.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/american-journalist-james-foley-reportedly-4076534

This is what happens to people that believe they can negotiate with animals.

Your comment about Foley is tasteless and baseless.  The guy was a recognized freelance reporter covering the Syrian civil war.  Without guys like that, we'd have to rely on assumptions, rumor, and propaganda. I suppose you'd prefer that; it would make us all conservatives.  We know the genesis and motivation of the butchers who killed him.

[bateman]

Just watched the video. Wish I hadn't.

[Quick Karl]

Your comment about Foley is tasteless and baseless.  The guy was a recognized freelance reporter covering the Syrian civil war.  Without guys like that, we'd have to rely on assumptions, rumor, and propaganda. I suppose you'd prefer that; it would make us all conservatives.  We know the genesis and motivation of the butchers who killed him.

You're a fucking idiot and an asshole - I wasn't referring to Foley you fuck-up, I was referring to the mindset of morons like you that believe you can reach an accord with fucking serial killing animals.

Now go fuck yourself you old douche bag - and try to THINK before you rush to a biassed hate-based emotional outburst.

I am sick of the asshole on here like you.

[Quick Karl]

Just watched the video. Wish I hadn't.

Why the heck would you even do a thing like that?  That is something you can never un-see.

[Quick Karl]

Islamic State says another U.S. journalist's fate depends on Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-says-another-u-journalists-fate-depends-214953685.html

I wonder how this will turn out...

[VtaGeezer]

You're a fucking idiot and an asshole - I wasn't referring to Foley you fuck-up, I was referring to the mindset of morons like you that believe you can reach an accord with fucking serial killing animals.

Now go fuck yourself you old douche bag - and try to THINK before you rush to an emotional outburst.

I am sick of the asshole on here like you.

Read your post, dimwit.  Since no one except Islamist fundies is or has ever been interested in "an accord" with Islamist butchers, your subject plainly must have been Foley.  Of course, that presumes that you made it through 5th Grade where you should have learned the use of verbs and subjects in a sentence.  The reinforcing point is that a vicious smear of a media person is entirely consistent with your narrow minded mentality expressed here ad nauseum.

[Quick Karl]

Read your post, dimwit.  Since no one except Islamist fundies is or has ever been interested in "an accord" with Islamist butchers, your subject plainly must have been Foley.  Of course, that presumes that you made it through 5th Grade where you should have learned the use of verbs and subjects in a sentence.  The reinforcing point is that a vicious smear of a media person is entirely consistent with your narrow minded mentality expressed here ad nauseum.

What a fucking douche bag - but why should I expect anything less from an asshole like you? So you're saying Obama and the rest of the liberal moron crowd are Islamist fundies - is that your half-assed excuse? I can play the same stupid word games you can, asshole.

Do me a favor - hang yourself.

[Bart Ell]

The title says politics but these posts say tourettes.
Cunt ass pickle.

[albrecht]

Just watched the video. Wish I hadn't.

I don't watch the vids by the Muslims or the Cartels. Why give them credit, why ruin your dinner or dreams, and I'm not into seeing violence/murder. I know what they do and I guess I can understand why some are curious or maybe even feel it necessary (and certainly necessary for law enforcement, intelligence, and military to do so) but it is like the guys who need to police youtube etc for illegal porn, death stuff, animal torture, and other sick stuff. I think it would warp even the best of a normal person viewing those images. These savages in ISIL/ISIS/IS (and others) and the Cartels need to be dealt with.

[RealCool Daddio]

https://twitter.com/ke11yfoley/status/501877175558365184

Family of journalist asking people to show respect for them and their loss by not watching the video.

[NowhereInTime]

You're a fucking idiot and an asshole - I wasn't referring to Foley you fuck-up, I was referring to the mindset of morons like you that believe you can reach an accord with fucking serial killing animals.

Now go fuck yourself you old douche bag - and try to THINK before you rush to a biassed hate-based emotional outburst.

I am sick of the asshole on here like you.

Temper, temper. You never miss a chance to blow a gasket when your bullshit is called, don't you?

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

The title says politics but these posts say tourettes.

I diagnose a dangerous sickness in mind with the issuer of this thread, he has urgently to be handled by an insanity physician before bad things happen not only here, in the unmoderated forum, but in reality.

[Quick Karl]

Another alter ego...

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Islamic State says another U.S. journalist's fate depends on Obama

You mean Obama the Muslim?  I guess the guy's gonna be okay then, right Pig-Anus?

[PB the Deplorable]

... 1) What is he doing wrong?

2) Who would do any better? Why?

Since you respond to most of my posts, I assumed you read them.  Perhaps not, so here's some of what he's doing wrong, and a few suggestions to consider.


1) Projecting weakness.  That is a big one.  Goddamn this guy is weak, and worse - clueless.  Get off the damn golf course, cancel the fundraisers, the photo ops, and the vacations, and at least pretend to be involved.  Listen to the generals and pay attention to the daily briefing.  Put together some strategic goals, then work on tactics to get them accomplished.  This is assuming he has the best interests of the US at heart, which is very much in doubt.

Signaling disinterest and incompetence. 

Abandoning our friends and allies and destroying our relationships with them. 

Reacting (and worse, too often not even reacting) to events instead of having strategic plans, or an 'Obama doctrine' in place, and executing them. 

Leaving idiots (Hegel) and traitors (Kerry) in place in key posts instead of knowledgeable competent accomplished foreign policy experts. 

Inviting the enemy to the White House literally hundreds of times - i.e., CAIR (the US propaganda arm of Hamas), and the Muslim Brotherhood (the fount of all Sunni terror groups). 

Destroying the competence and fighting ability of our military.

Supporting the enemy with weapons and/or rhetoric - in Gaza, Libya, Egypt, Syria..


2) It seems like anyone would do better.  To answer your question lets look at some of the potential responses that someone more competent and, frankly, more interested might consider:

Send the weapons requested and desperately needed to our friends the Egyptian army, the Kurds, the government in Ukraine.  Do you know Barry briefly blocked the restocking of depleted missile defense system material to Israel recently, and suggested he may do so in the future?  WTF is that?

Put a competent foreign policy team in place, starting at State and Defense.

Reverse the hollowing out the military.  He's fired and firing hundreds of top brass, canceled necessary weapons programs, mothballed needed ships, downsized troop count, transferred our military gear to police departments and Federal agencies, etc.

Make the defeat of ISIS a strategic goal, and put together a plan to do so.  The world is waiting.  We have allies in the region to do the fighting, we and our NATO allies can provide strategic airstrikes and support, weapons, food, supplies

Tell China their attempted annexation of the East China Sea and the North China Sea is unacceptable, station a carrier and schedule flyovers in each.  Insist international waters continue to be free and open to all traffic.  Insist on peaceful negotiations between China and the other countries that have claims to various island groups China is also claiming - Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei

In response to Putin's actions in the Crimea and Ukraine, re-start the radar stations in Poland and the Czech Republic, send a small force and defensive material to each of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland as a show of solidarity with them against any ambitions by Russia. 

Now that the true freedom fighters in Syria have been mostly replaced by Sunni terrorist groups, including ISIS, support al-Assad in Syria. 

Void that stupid 'treaty' with Iran and inform them development of a nuclear weapon will not be tolerated.

Start supporting Israel against the Hamas barbarians

Take a harder line on Turkey when their actions are unhelpful - in either Gaza or Syria/Iraq

Close the damn border to illegal entry.  We need to know who is coming in, and at least deny entry to criminals, gang members, cartel members, people with diseases - and individuals from parts of the world other than Latin America.  The damage is done, no doubt Islamic terrorists have already come in and are already here, but we may as well close the door to more.


3) A competent President could possibly be able get Iran to help against ISIS as part of an alliance that included our friends in the region and our western NATO allies.  Iran is working with the government in Iraq against ISIS now, it's probably best if they were working within a coalition with us rather than outside and against our interests.  That is the sort of thing that could lead to closer ties and even an end to their nuclear adventure, but achieving this is well beyond the ability of anyone in this administration.

Same with Putin and Syria - a competent President could possibly work together with Assad and Putin on the Syrian front, but Obama is too far out of his depth when it comes to diplomacy or negotiations with friends, let alone leaders and nations who we don't have the best relationships with.



Of course it's too late for much of this for Obama.  Not only wouldn't he do any of it, he couldn't.  He doesn't get it and he's not ever going to get it.  6 years into his Presidency, no one would take him seriously, and any attempt at what they would see as false bravado would be met by further testing his resolve.

His best move, and the best move for the country, would be for him to resign.

[PB the Deplorable]

... my mind is with you and your brave Mr. President.

Yeah, it can be slippery around some of those golf course bunkers

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Yeah, it can be slippery around some of those golf course bunkers

Thank you for the in depth analysis of Obamas conduct during his time as president so far. I saw it only from outside until now and being the only force really fighting against Isis, but you has seen also Iran helping Irak to resist against them, he really should communicate more with them, of course. I have to inform me by another sources also.

My sight is from the European side, where nearly nothing is done really, to manage the hot points of crisis active at presence, and was glad for this lonesome activity from your country, as I see a Kalif, who is  going to swallow first the Irak and Syria followed, step by step also Europe, comparable to Hitlers rule: ... and then the whole world. So I was grateful to Obama, the only who really became active there so far I could see.

Now Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is threatening the whole world, where ISLAM exists, by making the Muslims, willing to follow him as the only single Kalif since some of 100 years, to his executives for his criminal orders including murder, the issue of this thread and warning message to you, terror and all activities to follow his big target: to make the globe a only big Theocracy directed by his violently interpreted Koran. (For a description of a Kalifs power see Wikipedia)

And that is the real center of my present care. You may be right with your judgment about Obamas qualities or not, if I say that my mind is also with your President, then for his, from my sight lonesome engagement in this area. May be a simple kind of gratitude, not caring about the rest, but a honest one.     

[PB the Deplorable]

I think the US has a responsibility in Iraq since we are the ones who destabilized it. 

It was an incredible blunder by George Bush II. 

By running for President and winning the election, Obama voluntarily put himself in the position of being responsible for dealing with the situation going forward.  He's a typical Big City Democrat Marxist who hates the military, doesn't give a hoot about foreign policy, and wanted the job in order to wreck the country from within, i.e., fundamentally change it.

He is a nobody with no accomplishments, his worldview is wrong, and his cronies are the same type of schmuck that he is.  There is zero chance he would appoint anyone to any important office who has ability and common sense.

He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to even lift a finger to help those Kurds who were stranded on that mountain, even though he has had months of detailed briefings regarding ISIS - their intents, their strength, and their movements.  Even so he's continuing on with everything else just as before.

You may be the first person in the world to describe him as 'brave'.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

That is because I estimate a man for what he does, not why, and not what he says.

And, whatever he may make wrong, you Americans have elected him to the President of America, and this position alone already has to be respected by anyone in the world.

That is one of my democratic principles, though democracy may not be the best form of a community, but the best one we have found until now.

[paladin1991]

Turns out the US needs a leader in the White House, and the world doesn't do very well without US leadership.

Remember when it was pointed out that Obama had no relevant experience and no accomplishments?  The swooners said he was unflappable and just so smart, and that's all that was needed.

I remember.  I felt sooo much better.

[paladin1991]

But is he the only man of the whole world willingly to fight against what is to fight? And are you the only guys, they had to go in the battle fields for the world? Then good by, old Europe and you so called "civilized world" we only merely wait for the death a primitive Arabian from an ancient 500 years back leveled culture will give us.

Then our only chance is to learn from another 5000 year old culture, the Chinese, they continuously renewed their vitality anew and anew and today seems me the only people to give this crowd of murderers what they need, more cruelty, as they can imagine and sustain, they screaming will run for their lives, I am sure.

"....wait for the death a primitive ..."  Yeah, sure.  Looks that way.  Read Tom Kratman's book, 'Caliphate.'  Details the death of Europe.

As the remaining bulwark of Western Civilization, perhaps a look at our Eastern business associates is what is needed.  All weapons should be considered for the survival of civilization.