Has anybody ever sat back and realized

[bigchucka]

... that it doesn't matter what political party that you support, the person that you support has been bought and paid for?

And it's been going on for some time now?

And it very well might be the same person or group doing it, no matter which party it is?

I mean fuck... the whole thing with bullshit happening under Bush 43 and continuing with Obama should have tipped you off on that.

It's set up so that if a guy that agree with the buyer's leanings gets in... shit goes down in the way that they want.  But if the other guy gets in... then the bets are hedged so at least some of the stuff will continue.

"I am determined to elect a president of our choosing this year and one who will be deeply indebted, and who will recognize his indebtedness. Since I am willing to go beyond all limitations on this, I think we should be able to select a candidate and a party who knows the facts of political life....If we select Nixon, then he, I know for sure knows the facts of life." -- from handwritten memos by Howard Hughes, early in the 1968 presidential campaign

Nixon thought Hughes was donating money to the Democrats as well... hedging his bet.  That's why Watergate happened in the first place... he was looking to prove it.

[Quick Karl]

... that it doesn't matter what political party that you support, the person that you support has been bought and paid for?

And it's been going on for some time now?

And it very well might be the same person or group doing it, no matter which party it is?

I mean fuck... the whole thing with bullshit happening under Bush 43 and continuing with Obama should have tipped you off on that.

It's set up so that if a guy that agree with the buyer's leanings gets in... shit goes down in the way that they want.  But if the other guy gets in... then the bets are hedged so at least some of the stuff will continue.

"I am determined to elect a president of our choosing this year and one who will be deeply indebted, and who will recognize his indebtedness. Since I am willing to go beyond all limitations on this, I think we should be able to select a candidate and a party who knows the facts of political life....If we select Nixon, then he, I know for sure knows the facts of life." -- from handwritten memos by Howard Hughes, early in the 1968 presidential campaign

Nixon thought Hughes was donating money to the Democrats as well... hedging his bet.  That's why Watergate happened in the first place... he was looking to prove it.

You cannot have an honorable president unless The People are educated in ways that teach them to THINK, RATIONALLY, beyond the belligerent whims of their anus. We do not have that today. What we see before our very eyes in every sector of our society IS the result of the last 40-years of liberal indoctrination that comes directly from America's system of intentional dis-education.

Now, WHO is running that system?

WHAT are the results?

Where does America rank today on the world stage, in terms of Math, Science, and Literacy, with respect to the general population?

[bigchucka]

https://homes.yahoo.com/blogs/spaces/if-billionaires-wanted-to-buy-whole-cities--worth-of-houses--here-s-what-they-could-afford-161645373.html

[Yorkshire pud]

IS the result of the last 40-years of liberal indoctrination that comes directly from America's system of intentional dis-education.

Oh yeah...all Presidents from last 40 years were liberals... You don't have a clue what liberal means. In your eyes it's anyone who wears a red shirt or who doesn't think hurricanes are blamed on homosexual marriage.

[bigchucka]

You cannot have an honorable president unless The People are educated in ways that teach them to THINK, RATIONALLY, beyond the belligerent whims of their anus. We do not have that today. What we see before our very eyes in every sector of our society IS the result of the last 40-years of liberal indoctrination that comes directly from America's system of intentional dis-education.

Now, WHO is running that system?

WHAT are the results?

Where does America rank today on the world stage, in terms of Math, Science, and Literacy?

You cannot have an honorable entire fucking government as long as elections are allowed to be bought and paid for.  Don't make the mistake and just focus on one of the many elections that happen in this country.  The people making the donations sure as fuck don't.

Is the education system (public or private) in this country fucked?  Yup.  And that fucked up- ness is getting ready to hit the financial sector big time once the student debt bubble bursts.  At least for the common people... they'll be fucked.  The schools and the banks will still have what they was able to get out of that... and probably will be handed more by the government when it happens... that's what "bailouts" have taught me.

Who's running that system?  Both sides have had control of it from time to time.

What are the results.  On an individual basis... results may vary.  You wouldn't have the rare results of kids getting in to college in early teen years if they didn't.  Some of that blame may fall on the parent's heads as well... but part of why that might be is the fact that both parents sometimes have to both work... sometimes multiple jobs.

One parent used to be able to make enough money to fully support a family... and it's fucked that now they can't in most cases.  The fucked up thing...   I heard that once in a documentary as a pitch being given by KKK members trying to get people to join up.  I agree with the problem... but not that group's solution to it.

[bigchucka]

Oh yeah...all Presidents from last 40 years were liberals... You don't have a clue what liberal means. In your eyes it's anyone who wears a red shirt or who doesn't think hurricanes are blamed on homosexual marriage.

Curious on your thoughts on my original post.

[Quick Karl]

You cannot have an honorable entire fucking government as long as elections are allowed to be bought and paid for.

We would NOT have our "entire fucking government bought and paid for" if people weren't stupid fucking morons obsessed with their assholes, and where they ejaculate, rather than a rational objective analysis of where the country IS, how it got there, and where the fuck it is going.

Walk through ANY black community in America today - every last one controlled by socialists - and tell me those communities are better than they were in the 50's.

All the girls on this forum cry about the ills of history, and endeavor to use it as an excuse to promote their tyranny, while ignoring the abject failure of their own policies that stares the world right in the face.

If people weren't stupid - this couldn't happen.

Results matter.

[bigchucka]

Rational objective analysis is always going to be affected by someone's thought and belief systems... and everyone has that right.  If everyone has to act, behave, and believe in a certain way.... that just eliminates the "free will" that was given to us by God. 

But even the ability to analyze and think through personal political decisions is being affected by advertising and money thrown into political campaigns.  Where do you think the politically styled junk mail that happens every fall comes from?  Sick amounts of money being thrown into campaigns that can just be spent on buying shit most people don't even glance at.

That... and politicians being lying liars that are lying.  Both sides, BTW.

[albrecht]

that just eliminates the "free will" that was given to us by God. 

Some scientists are claiming that "free will" is only an illusion. Not just speculative philosophy but by experiments in neuroscience.
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110831/full/477023a.html

But assuredly politicians are bought. The only issue is trying to find one that got bought by people/industries that is at least somewhat closer in alignment with your views.

[Quick Karl]

Rational objective analysis is always going to be affected by someone's thought and belief systems... and everyone has that right.  If everyone has to act, behave, and believe in a certain way.... that just eliminates the "free will" that was given to us by God. 

But even the ability to analyze and think through personal political decisions is being affected by advertising and money thrown into political campaigns.  Where do you think the politically styled junk mail that happens every fall comes from?  Sick amounts of money being thrown into campaigns that can just be spent on buying shit most people don't even glance at.

That... and politicians being lying liars that are lying.  Both sides, BTW.

Recognizing that there are NO angels anywhere in or near Washington, DC., would be a giant-step in a rational direction.

It is NOT that some fairytale messiah will ever come along and the world will be wonderful - it IS that to keep cock-sucking lying tyrants in check, The People have to be more concerned with the good of their Country, than trying to win some political debate with the tactics of a school-yard punk, or defining themselves by what they do with their asshole.

Until that begins to change, it will only get worse, and more Plutocrats will reap more from the folks left, that are still working, while they plot to import lower-wage-workers from the "next" poor country run by corrupt socialists...

[bigchucka]

But assuredly politicians are bought. The only issue is trying to find one that got bought by people/industries that is at least somewhat closer in alignment with your views.

The problem arises when their money and marketing makes you think their alignment is close to yours.

[albrecht]

The problem arises when their money and marketing makes you think their alignment is close to yours.

True. Of course nobody can ever really know someone's mind (yet) but you can still do some research and at least try to find a candidate that is somewhat aligned with your views or don't vote, vote for non mainstream candidates, or like me try pick candidates based on (hopefully) getting gridlock in the legislatures. Less things passed the better since you know they aren't ever going to rescind current laws, regulations, and taxes at least we can (try) to make it harder for them to pass more.

[gamblingbottomfeeder37]

you are all sheep,tow the line till you drop dead sheep.

[Foodlion]

Lobbiest, politicians and the wealthy run this country and the Whitehouse.

[Quick Karl]

Lobbiest, politicians and the Wealthy run this country and the Whitehouse.

Because we let them.

[PB the Deplorable]

If the size of government was limited to only those few things it should be doing, there wouldn't be favors to trade, pork barrel spending, handouts to cronies and to groups of voters.   There would be nothing for lobbyists and special interests to fight over.

The biggest scandals would be along the lines of bribery over who the people building roads buy cement from.


The fact is, government at all levels takes in about 10 times as much money as they can spend wisely.  That's why higher taxes only leads to more waste and bigger deficits.

[Foodlion]

Because we let them.

That may be true in a sense, but only because they've passed so many laws that make it nearly impossible to stand against them.
If something were to happen to this country and it were to collapse, we wouldn't let them back in after the recovery. I'm willing to bet there would be lynch mobs chasing suits with noose ready.

[Quick Karl]

That may be true in a sense, but only because they've passed so many laws that make it nearly impossible to stand against them.
If something were to happen to this country and it were to collapse, we wouldn't let them back in after the recovery. I'm willing to bet there would be lynch mobs chasing suits with noose ready.

If there was a law that said a politician could come in your house and molest your daughter and you couldn't do shit about it, would you stand there and let them do it?

I know the answer, it is the larger point I am trying to make.

[PB the Deplorable]

Look what happened with 'ObamaCare'.  They tell us 45 million people are uninsured and 10s of millions more have lousy policies.  They un-Constitutionally take over the health insurance sector - against the will of the majority, lie to us about keeping our doctors and policies if we like, lie about everyone's bill going down by an average of $2500 per year.

Later, when it predictably fails, after they've stolen the policies of millions, after the price of everyone else's policies went up at an even faster rate than they had in previous years, when they had to turn around and hand over even more of our tax dollars to subsidize the insurance companies - they actually gloat and pat themselves on the back for finally reaching the 8 million enrolled mark. 

When is the last time Obama, the rest of the Democrats, their lead-by-the-nose supporters, the Media, or anyone else mentioned the 45 million?  And they aren't going to.

Of course even the 8 million covered was just another lie.  This Administration has lied about every other statistic that's been put out, so it is unlikely they are even close to 8 million.  But lets say they are.  That 8 million consists of a good portion of the millions who lost their policies.  It includes people who signed up but didn't pay their premiums.  It's shitty coverage, high deductibles, and expensive premiums - people don't want it.


So Obama, rather than working with Congress to fix the worst of it, or admitting it was a mistake and repealing it - instead makes 3 or 4 dozen unilateral illegal  'fixes', one after another, which mostly either exempt his cronies from this disaster (for now)or kick the implementation of the worst of it further down the road (and, conveniently, after the next election cycle).


And off they go to meddle with their next fantasy project.  And we have people defending this.  It really is breathtaking how indoctrinated people in this country have become when it comes to putting their faith in government.  When all evidence and experience suggests we should not.


"We're the ones we've been waiting for"

[Quick Karl]

When you lack character and integrity, and you believe the only way you will get anywhere is by lying and deceiving, is it any surprise when the Democrat sheep support a leader with those exact character flaws?

It is a simple matter of projection, and nothing more.

[Little Hater]

True. Of course nobody can ever really know someone's mind (yet) but you can still do some research and at least try to find a candidate that is somewhat aligned with your views or don't vote, vote for non mainstream candidates, or like me try pick candidates based on (hopefully) getting gridlock in the legislatures. Less things passed the better since you know they aren't ever going to rescind current laws, regulations, and taxes at least we can (try) to make it harder for them to pass more.

Most lobbying is concentrated on changes in the tax laws to benefit certain industries, groups and even individuals. Tax law reform (please, not the bullshit 'Fair Tax') that eliminated any sort of manipulation and made federal taxation as fair and broad-based as possible wouldn't fix the corruption problem, but it would be a good place to start. Yes, you'd lose your mortgage and child deductions, but why should the rest of us help pay for those in the first place ?