Elliiot Rodger, certified lunatic

[bigchucka]

Source? The father I heard was not talking about gun control.

Pretty sure the father Alex Jones played on his Sunday show sure as shit was...

[bigchucka]

Towards the end of his manifesto, it's revealed that Rodger's parents hired 20-something-year-old kids (or "social counselors") to hang around with him. I don't understand why they didn't just hire a prostitute to pretend she was into him, a la Tyrion Lannister's sad story in "Game of Thrones," which, ironically, he was obsessed with.

There's an interesting wrinkle in that.... may be discussed in the show here in the last couple episodes...  Let's just say that his impressions of what he thought happened and reality were two different things...

fixed my last name, of course...

[bigchucka]

The virginity issue was just a side effect of his mental health issues.  The dating community is full of guys in their 20s (and sometimes well beyond) who have never had sex.  They are often depressed, frustrated, and angry, but I rarely hear about them acting out violently.

Especially looking like he did, the kid could've gotten something if he was that desperate, even if it was just a booty call on Craigslist.

I bet there's been plenty of first time rapists that just decided to force the issue...

Or a trip to Nevada would increase the success rate there....

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Or a trip to Nevada would increase the success rate there....

Plus you get to post in the "Saw Art yesterday" thread.

[bigchucka]

Plus you get to post in the "Saw Art yesterday" thread.

"Kingdom of Nye" came from a brothel owner.  Art heard or read it, contacted him, and asked permission to use it...

Dennis Hof opened a alien-themed brothel in Pahrump, I do believe.  Hired Art as a consultant for it...

[McPhallus]

His idea of a pick up line was probably "What's your name?  Who's your daddy?  Is he rich like me?"

I hate that song with a fucking passion...

It just wasn't his time of the season for looooovvvvviiiinnnngggg.

[albrecht]

I bet there's been plenty of first time rapists that just decided to force the issue...

Or a trip to Nevada would increase the success rate there....

Quicker for him to just head to Ol Mexico. Closer and cheaper for him. And he could've solved his trouble sexual identity psychosis (as I speculate he had) and gone for one of those cross-dressers down there in TJ!

[bateman]

Quicker for him to just head to Ol Mexico. Closer and cheaper for him. And he could've solved his trouble sexual identity psychosis (as I speculate he had) and gone for one of those cross-dressers down there in TJ!

Donkey shows are where it's at.

[Quick Karl]

Donkey shows are where it's at.

That is an old wives' tale - everyone knows those people down there are God-fearing family people, that just live in poverty because White People like you, force that country's leaders, to oppress them, and spread lies about Donkey sex around, to belittle them...

[VtaGeezer]

Want another troubling thought?  Tomorrow, Rodger's therapist will be back to work; evaluating patients for $200/hr. 

[Quick Karl]

Want another troubling thought?  Tomorrow, Rodger's therapist will be back to work; evaluating patients for $200/hr.

Holy shit...

[VtaGeezer]

Donkey shows are where it's at.

Never saw that in Juarez, but did see some amazing talent for blowing smoke-rings.

[Yorkshire pud]

Want another troubling thought?  Tomorrow, Rodger's therapist will be back to work; evaluating patients for $200/hr.

That sounds like anti capitalist talk there! 'Therapy' is the industry to be in, in the USA. It's a bit like having a coffee fix in  the morning, you have a slight problem? Therapy. Can't decide if you should marry your g/f, b/f? Therapy. Pet gold fish died? Therapy. Who tells you you need more sessions to make you 'normal'? Yep...Therapist!   

[albrecht]

Donkey shows are where it's at.

Not in TJ. Gotta go to to Nuevo Laredo for that particular show. Poor donkey!

[albrecht]

That sounds like anti capitalist talk there! 'Therapy' is the industry to be in, in the USA. It's a bit like having a coffee fix in  the morning, you have a slight problem? Therapy. Can't decide if you should marry your g/f, b/f? Therapy. Pet gold fish died? Therapy. Who tells you you need more sessions to make you 'normal'? Yep...Therapist!

And, I  might be wrong, but you don't even to have a real degree to be a therapist (not like a psychiatrist who has an actual medical degree etc). So you can get through school a lot cheaper and also, maybe, not be held to as high a standard if your "patient" goes amok and kills a bunch of people.

[VtaGeezer]

Having lived there, I'd bet that all six (!) of the deputies who did the "welfare check" were pulling down close to or over $100K/annum with mandatory OT and bennies.  But Santa Barbara Co. apparently can't afford to send a mental health specialist on such calls.

[VtaGeezer]

And, I  might be wrong, but you don't even to have a real degree to be a therapist (not like a psychiatrist who has an actual medical degree etc). So you can get through school a lot cheaper and also, maybe, not be held to as high a standard if your "patient" goes amok and kills a bunch of people.

I believe an M.S. in Clinical Psych, an internship and state certification is required for psychologists who see or interact with patients in CA.  Not that that's a particularly high threshold. 

[albrecht]

I believe an M.S. in Clinical Psych, an internship and state certification is required for psychologists who see or interact with patients in CA.  Not that that's a particularly high threshold.

Well, that's good to hear that some of the "therapists" and "experts" we hear on C2C couldn't do that in Cali as a real counselor. I grant that it is a difficult situation because of laws, the movement in the 70's for more patient rights, and the fact that some of these psycho might be highly functioning in their deception. But in cases where they have POSTED manifestos of violence several times? I think parents, psychologists, the handlers at least get an "aiding and abetting" and maybe for allowing him to still have a car maybe a manslaughter charge? One also wonders, these days, when a clever trial attorney will come up with a lawsuit to the parents of one of these freaks (deep pockets in this case) for some kind of negligence in the raising of the child? Not saying it IS their fault in this case but in general. Seems arguments could be made in cases. You ignore the child, you abused the child, you over-indulged the child, etc etc. It is your fault. Pay up.

[VtaGeezer]

Well, that's good to hear that some of the "therapists" and "experts" we hear on C2C couldn't do that in Cali as a real counselor. I grant that it is a difficult situation because of laws, the movement in the 70's for more patient rights, and the fact that some of these psycho might be highly functioning in their deception. But in cases where they have POSTED manifestos of violence several times? I think parents, psychologists, the handlers at least get an "aiding and abetting" and maybe for allowing him to still have a car maybe a manslaughter charge? One also wonders, these days, when a clever trial attorney will come up with a lawsuit to the parents of one of these freaks (deep pockets in this case) for some kind of negligence in the raising of the child? Not saying it IS their fault in this case but in general. Seems arguments could be made in cases. You ignore the child, you abused the child, you over-indulged the child, etc etc. It is your fault. Pay up.

I think civil suits against the therapist and SBSD are all that may be expected, and that's what malpractice insurance is for.  The lawyers will recommend settlement, lest their fees are overly diluted.  This has supplanted accountability in the professional world in our time.  He was 22...the parents are off the hook, even if they did continue to support him.

[onan]

Most therapists these days are LCSW's. Licensce Clinical Social Workers, and to be licensed it takes a master's level degree and clinical supervision for 100 hours. But for each of those supervision hours, a clinician needs to have 30 hours of actual practice.

And in NC no LCSW I know of makes anywhere near 200 dollars an hour. The usual fee is around 50 to 75 dollars an hour. Psychiatrists often make over 200 dollars an hour.

But the original point of some counselor/therapist will be back at their job the next day, that is probably true. What will most likely happen is there will be an investigation and the clinicians' (every mental health worker that worked with the guy) notes will all be investigated.

It is a free country, and until someone is caught committing a crime, there are no mandatory therapeutic sessions, no legal requirement to take medications.

Therapy only works if a client is invested in getting better. Most therapists do their damnedest to set up a supportive structure so a client/patient can have an opportunity to work on getting more stable. Personality disorders are almost impossible to treat if the client thinks the problem lies outside of themselves.

I haven't followed this story. I don't care to. It is a monstrous act with no real way to understand what happened, other than to say the guy was a fucking nut... end of story. Making this about guns is kind of after the fact.

We all love our civil rights and no one better think about putting their nose in another's business... oh wait.

[b_dubb]

Here's the thing. I went to an ultra-conservative, Church of Christ college â€" Pepperdine U. in Malibu. I'm not Church of Christ, but it's on the beach and I got a writing scholarship there so I thought, "Why the hell not?" Hell, the guy should have gone to school THERE. It was all movie stars or movie stars' kids or royalty. There was a duchess in my dorm. I'm not making that up. And everyone was prudish and giving big warm Christian hugs all the time and talking about waiting until marriage for sex. Hell, the churchy Campus Life kids would have loved this guy. You couldn't walk across campus without getting about 10 big warm Christian hugs from some hot guy or girl who was saving him/herself for marriage. Everyone was a virgin or, if not, they were lying and saying they were.

But anyway, my best friend there was a lesbian. And she was all angsty about losing her lesbian virginity and wanting to try lesbian sex. But the place wasn't exactly brimming over with openly gay, sexually active lesbians at the time. So we drove to Las Vegas, where she hired a hot little blonde prostitute and had what she still describes as the most incredible night in her life. And thus, the mystery of lesbian sex was officially cleared up for her. And hell, her first time was an incredible experience compared to the average American's kid's first time.

So forget all this talk about gun control and how we treat the mentally ill. Let's legalize prostitution, and then kids who agonize over being 22-year-old virgins can just check into a Motel 6 (or in this guy's case, probably The Four Seasons) with a hot blonde and not shoot up a whole town out of sexual frustration.

Towards the end of his manifesto, it's revealed that Rodger's parents hired 20-something-year-old kids (or "social counselors") to hang around with him. I don't understand why they didn't just hire a prostitute to pretend she was into him, a la Tyrion Lannaster's sad story in "Game of Thrones," which, ironically, he was obsessed with.

Back in 2008 or so I got a call from a recruiter trying to find a web developer to work on a site for - drum roll please - escorts.  I passed on the opp despite the fact that the recruiter was from a reputable company who assured me that they had done their due diligence and had properly vetted this company.  I needed a job but I didn't need one THAT bad.  I personally don't have a problem with that sort of thing I just don't want to be personally involved in it.

My point here is that prostitution is practically legal already as long as it's cloaked in "escort" semantics.  If you're standing on a street corner selling hand jobs for $10 you're basically asking to get thrown in jail.  I don't think legalizing prostitution would have made a difference.  This kid could've driven to Vegas and probably had a hell of a time considering it seems his parents provided anything he wanted.  This kid was fucked up and it was just a matter of time till he went berserk.  What he needed was real parenting.

It's sad that he was able to convince the cops that he wasn't a threat to himself or someone else.  That could've put a stop to it right there.  I don't know what kind of training cops have for that situation but I can't imagine they go out on calls like that frequently.

[bateman]

If you're standing on a street corner selling hand jobs for $10 you're basically asking to get thrown in jail..

A whole $10? That must include lube. Jaz gives them dry for only $5.

[b_dubb]

Well let's just say that jaz gets a lot more out of giving handjobs than just $5 fee (if you know what I mean)

[VtaGeezer]

And in NC no LCSW I know of makes anywhere near 200 dollars an hour. The usual fee is around 50 to 75 dollars an hour. Psychiatrists often make over 200 dollars an hour.

I'm figuring that Hollywood-type parents who see to it that their student son has a newish 328 and pocket money enough for $2 grand worth of handguns aren't going to send little Elliot to just any run-of-the-mill analyst. 

[UnscreenedCaller]

You can blame his parents or therapist for dropping the ball, but in the end Elliot Rodgers was just another pampered little self-entitled shit who, like a 5 year old in a snit, destroyed what he wanted the most and couldn't have. Whether he was on the autism spectrum is moot. Harping on that does a disservice to all the other kids who handle their socialization issues nonviolently, and there are more of them than him.

He moaned about girls not wanting to date him. I'm willing to bet he gave off creep vibes at 20 feet or more. Every woman on this forum has probably at one time or another met up with someone creepy in a bar or club or in school, the kind of person you can't get away fast enough from, even if it means leaving from a back exit. No BMW or a fistful of money will make someone who makes every inner red flag go off be palatable, and if this jerk was true to form, he didn't just glance at those couples who were kissing - he probably stared long and hard enough to be noticeable and make them and everyone around him uncomfortable. And then he threw coffee at them or so he said.

Sending someone like him to a pro wouldn't solve anything because a hooker isn't what he wanted, or just getting laid. What he wanted was the unattainable for him - all those pretty blonde girls he most likely turned off. And because he was a narcissist as well as a sociopath, he didn't give a thought to the immensity of taking their lives. They deserved to die because they spurned him, Elliot Rodgers. What outrages me, besides the death of six innocent people, is that entitled shits harassing or even harming women they can't get goes on all the fucking time but without the publicity this generated. I've been there. I'm lucky the asshole who called me on and off for a year at 2 AM before *69, didn't show up at work with a gun or knife. I have no clever solutions for violence like this, because this shit is endemic in our society and unless parents, therapists and the judicial system show the will to do something to rein these jerks in, it will just go on and on until the next shooting.

[albrecht]

He was 22...the parents are off the hook, even if they did continue to support him.

Why not? They knew he was an imminent threat apparently for some time and still rented him a nice apartment (where he stabbed his roommates to death)- did they call the roommates to discuss their concerns? And allowed him use of a car (a deadly weapon he used to run over people.) If you hand the keys to your car to a buddy whose drunk you can be liable, especially civilly, when he wrecks it into someone's car and causes or hurts/kills someone else. Wouldn't same happen if you gave your keys to a guy who said he was going to kill all women? Ok. None of those would likely get to a felony level or maybe even to a jury these days criminally because clearly the parents are hurting, but I expect maybe a clever lawyer will try civilly and their insurance will take a bite, maybe?

[bateman]

I'm willing to bet he gave off creep vibes at 20 feet or more.

Totally. Just watch his videos.

it will just go on and on until the next shooting.

Unfortunately, yeah. This will be forgotten about in a week - it's already all but disappeared from the news sites.

[albrecht]

Unfortunately, yeah. This will be forgotten about in a week - it's already all but disappeared from the news sites.

Call me a cynic but if it wasn't a "rightwing racist", "an anti-abortionist fundamentalist", or a "radical Muslim", or at least involve a real celebrity shootings like this will disappear rather quickly from the mainstream media. But they will still be referenced in certain political action committee's rally and fund-raising meetings.

[VtaGeezer]

You can blame his parents or therapist for dropping the ball, but in the end Elliot Rodgers was just another pampered little self-entitled shit who, like a 5 year old in a snit, destroyed what he wanted the most and couldn't have. Whether he was on the autism spectrum is moot. Harping on that does a disservice to all the other kids who handle their socialization issues nonviolently, and there are more of them than him.

True, but there's another issue. When psychos now envision getting even with society, they're aware of a ghastly new option.  This guy grew up with mass murder as a virtually routine occurrence. Plus he could probably identify with the "pain" of the killers.  And today the nuts been saturated with knowledge of the most lethal and efficient weapons, and they're readily available. 

[albrecht]

True, but there's another issue. When psychos now envision getting even with society, they're aware of a ghastly new option.  This guy grew up with mass murder as a virtually routine occurrence. Plus he could probably identify with the "pain" of the killers.  And today the nuts been saturated with knowledge of the most lethal and efficient weapons, and they're readily available.

True, there is no reason a vehicle with such horse-power and torque should be needed by anybody besides someone that is a professional racer. Too much power and also bad for Gaia. Likewise an edged weapon used in roughly 50% of the deaths in this latest video-gamed addicted freak's killing spree should only be owned by graduates of the Culinary Academy of America or, if owned by citizens who can pass a background check, and prove that they actually prepare and cook meals necessitating sharp-edged knives at least 51% of the time at home and not get take out, delivery, or microwave left-overs. Guns, obviously, should only be in the hands of the police and military (and for private security details of Hollywood celebrities, very rich people, and politicians.) But we really need to address the vehicle and knife issues considering they cause more mayhem in the USA (and around the world!) than even a deadly "assault rifle" (except in conflict regions and countries where real "assault rifles" are sold by German, Austrian, Swedish, Belgian, etc arms manufacturers some of which have deep connections to the state (the peaceful, socialist countries with strict rules on gun ownership by their citizens but no problem to export to say....some African conflict zone.)