the U.S. is in fact an oligarchy and not a democracy.

[NowhereInTime]

There was at least one other point that mattered.  He had every single Left-wing politician in San Francisco eating out of his hand.  Oh how they loved him.  He could really deliver when it came to votes and campaign cash.  They would line up to kiss his ass.  Nothing he did was questioned or criticized. 

Until, you know, the end. 

Any of this remind you of anyone else?

Oh, gee, Papes, lemme guess.  Barack Hussein Sotero Obama?

[Jackstar]

right up Jim Jones's alley

"In The Black Hole of Guyana: The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre, John Judge painstakingly documents that Jonestown was a CIA operation for converting dispossessed and lonely refugees into assassins. In an operation that was falling under Congressional investigation, the evidence had to be eliminated â€" and nearly all the inhabitants were murdered to prevent disclosure." -- source: http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

Further:

Leo Joseph Ryan, Jr. (May 5, 1925 â€" November 18, 1978) was an American politician of the Democratic Party. He served as a U.S. Representative from California's 11th congressional district from 1973 until he was shot to death in Guyana by members of the Peoples Temple, shortly before the Jonestown Massacre in 1978. Ryan was also famous for vocal criticism of the lack of Congressional oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and authored the Hughes-Ryan Amendment, passed in 1974. He was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal posthumously in 1983.

"Ryan is the only member of Congress to have been killed in the line of duty and was posthumously recognized in the 1980s with a congressional award presented by then-President Ronald Reagan."

Like seriously, what has to happen for You Apologists to recognize the facts before your faces--does someone have to be bit by a snake named Silkwood?

[Quick Karl]

"In The Black Hole of Guyana: The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre, John Judge painstakingly documents that Jonestown was a CIA operation for converting dispossessed and lonely refugees into assassins. In an operation that was falling under Congressional investigation, the evidence had to be eliminated â€" and nearly all the inhabitants were murdered to prevent disclosure." -- source: http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

Further:
Like seriously, what has to happen for You Apologists to recognize the facts before your faces--does someone have to be bit by a snake named Silkwood?

Facts do NOT MATTER, you stupid Christian you... only allegiance to TOTALITARIANISM matters. Now go die.

I just hope I am still around when the TOTALITARIANS these fucking idiots support like the moronic puppets they are, start tossing them into furnaces -- it will make GREAT YouTube vids!

[PB the Deplorable]

Oh, gee, Papes, lemme guess.  Barack Hussein Sotero Obama?

Aw, that was too easy. 

These may be more difficult - what were Obama's lifetime accomplishments to date by 2008 when he started campaigning?  If it wasn't about a cult of personality created by the Media, why give him the nomination and what were the reasons to vote for him?

And why the goose-stepping support for him by his Party and the Media on all the things he is clearly wrong about, and events and issues where the corruption is clear?

[Jackstar]

you stupid Christian you...

I am a Discordian. I am on hand-holding terms with The Living Christ, however. He says, 'Hi Karl! Judge not! Just a suggestion!"

[Quick Karl]

I am a Discordian. I am on hand-holding terms with The Living Christ, however. He says, 'Hi Karl! Judge not! Just a suggestion!"

Well, I believe in a power that is so far beyond human comprehension, that it would scare all those intellectual leftist quantum physicists, and douchebags, to death, if those know-everything-atheist-scientists discovered it, or her, or him. On the upside, it would cause mass suicides among lots of morons that walk the planet because the fallacy of their own supremacy would explode into their faces, and that would be a good start.

I respect your belief, and would never belittle or besmirch you for it, but I do not believe in a God that has personal relationships with humans.

Oh ya, almost forgot, I believe in giving what you get -- so my personality here is based entirely, on that dynamic.

[albrecht]

"In The Black Hole of Guyana: The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre, John Judge painstakingly documents that Jonestown was a CIA operation for converting dispossessed and lonely refugees into assassins. In an operation that was falling under Congressional investigation, the evidence had to be eliminated â€" and nearly all the inhabitants were murdered to prevent disclosure." -- source: http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

Further:
Like seriously, what has to happen for You Apologists to recognize the facts before your faces--does someone have to be bit by a snake named Silkwood?

That theory has been bandied about for a long time. It would be odd though that Mark Lane would be involved with the CIA unless his JFK theories are also disinfo. And Jones himself always railed against the CIA (the "fascists") to his flock and the press (though again that could be disinfo.) I would like a decent show (maybe a Knapp C2C) on it.

[Jackstar]

Jones himself always railed against the CIA

"Please don't throw me in that briar patch!!"

[Jackstar]

I believe in a power that [...] would scare

Let us know when you've evolved to the point where you believe in a power that would love. I think dolphins, dogs and some species of Corvus have made it that far--you can do it, Lefty!

[Jackstar]

I would like a decent show (maybe a Knapp C2C) on it.

I wonder what Knapp would make of the way you chose to snip out the most relevant part of my post. Curious.

Also, I've never heard of Mark Lane by name, so his publicist must be terrible--or, you know, Company. Anyway, where is he at on assigning responsiblity to Johnson?

[Quick Karl]

Let us know when you've evolved to the point where you believe in a power that would love. I think dolphins, dogs and some species of Corvus have made it that far--you can do it, Lefty!

Someone that loves, would not start hurling labels, just because someone does not march in lockstep with their dogma...

[Jackstar]

Someone that loves, would not start hurling

I'm throwing up a little in my mouth, right now.

[NowhereInTime]

Aw, that was too easy. 

These may be more difficult - what were Obama's lifetime accomplishments to date by 2008 when he started campaigning?  If it wasn't about a cult of personality created by the Media, why give him the nomination and what were the reasons to vote for him?

And why the goose-stepping support for him by his Party and the Media on all the things he is clearly wrong about, and events and issues where the corruption is clear?

Leaving aside his Harvard Law degree and having been editor of the Harvard Law Review and leaving aside his efforts as a civil rights lawyer and "community organizer", let's look at the bio:

http://www.biography.com/people/barack-obama-12782369#us-senate-career&awesm=~oFe1ABcqhUNqn8

"Obama's advocacy work led him to run for a seat in the Illinois State Senate. He ran as a Democrat, and won election in 1996. During these years, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to draft legislation on ethics, and expand health care services and early childhood education programs for the poor. He also created a state earned-income tax credit for the working poor. Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee as well, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, he worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

U.S. Senate Career

"In August 2004, diplomat and former presidential candidate Alan Keyes accepted the Republican nomination to replace Ryan. In three televised debates, Obama and Keyes expressed opposing views on stem cell research, abortion, gun control, school vouchers and tax cuts. In the November 2004 general election, Obama received 70 percent of the vote to Keyes' 27 percent, the largest electoral victory in Illinois history. With his win, Barack Obama became only the third African-American elected to the U.S. Senate since the Reconstruction.

Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Obama partnered with Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana on a bill that expanded efforts to destroy weapons of mass destruction in Eastern Europe and Russia. Then, with Republican Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, he created a website to track all federal spending. Obama also spoke out for victims of Hurricane Katrina, pushed for alternative energy development, and championed improved veterans' benefits."

So, a career in law, a career in the community, and a career in both state and federal legislature, including legislative success across the aisle.

Best resume' ever? No, but I didn't see anything else I could warm up to.

As to why so many of us followed him: (from biography.com)

"Following the 9/11 attacks in 2001, Obama was an early opponent  (emphasis mine) of President George W. Bush's push to go to war with Iraq. Obama was still a state senator when he spoke against a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq during a rally at Chicago's Federal Plaza in October 2002. "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars," he said. "What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.""

Not Hillary, not Biden, not Vilsack, not any Democrat (besides Kucinich, but even I have my limits) opposed the war.  In fact Hills', ever the opportunist, voted for it to show off her balls.

No one else talked about health care (Hillary jumped in late when she saw the wind blowing).  No one talked about ending wars and closing Gitmo (ok, still waiting for that, too). No one talked about economic issues that mattered to people who weren't the top 10% in the country.  No one else talked of America's strength through her values, not her military.  It made me even more proud to be an American that I would elect a president who wanted to promote elections and freedom of speech, not impose some arcane and spartan worldview based on some notion of "the real world".

You ask why we are so protective of BHO?

A lot of us are sick to death of the Clintons and their opportunism.  A lot of us are sick to death of the world you are trying to create; socio-economic darwinism with different starting lines (and a lot of misfires).  A lot of us acknowledge mistakes (poor formulation and messaging on Health Care; the VA scandal, to name two) but you offer nothing better.  All you offer is "lower taxes, less government".  As if that means something.  Mostly, we are sick to death of smarmy, smug well-to-do's with their snappy patter telling us how virtuous and productive they've been (and the rest of us should be), only to discover they committed crimes to get wealthy.

I saw elsewhere you posted "red state government generally has better people", which Real Cool Daddio totally deconstructed.  Red states are often run by hypocrites and shameless, scandal ridden pols like Mark Sanford (who, as a "family values" conservative cheated on his family and went AWOL from his job as governor, and was rewarded by sleazy South Carolina voters with a seat in the House. Insane.) and are the least trustworthy, least scrutinized, and most easily controlled level of government by oligarchs.

State government as the be-all, end-all has long since been discredited as too unreliable in the protection of people's rights.

Lastly, and most importantly, you have this compunction to force identity onto others in order to classify and discredit them.  Fine.  It's a weak, substandard way to fight, but it's your game.  What is really different, though, is you fight by disavowing and discrediting liberalism instead of standing up and ever offering productive conservative alternatives.  About a year back, you started to discuss opportunity zones to refresh productive employment in the depressed urban areas but quickly reverted backing to pissing on liberals.

That's tough to respect.  And that's why I despise conservatism.  You promote the virtue of conservatism solely as a contrast to everything else.  You make liberalism, socialism, moderates, anyone who's non-compliant out to be some kind of villain, some outsider, some "other" who's "not like us", which is crap.  Its why you lose the Presidential election and only win where white males are the dominant voter. Conservatism cannot stand on its own principles because, really, there are none.  Instead, you have to prop it up as something other than liberalism.  Hannity, Cunningham, Limbaugh, Coulter, et al cannot give us a virtuous conservative alternative; neither could Mitt Romney.  Instead their beliefs are always framed as a response to the evils of liberalism.

Barry's not the best ever, but he's hardly the villain you make him out to be.  You lost two elections to him but the effort to discredit him will never end; I bet there will be a slew of "academic texts" that flood the university bookstore market (and the New York Times Bestseller list) trying to write the history by "analyzing the failures of the Obama Presidency."

[NowhereInTime]

I'm throwing up a little in my mouth, right now.

Welcome to the Quick Karl experience.  See? 

[Jackstar]

Leaving aside his Harvard Law degree and having been editor of the Harvard Law Review

Leave it aside? Because I would love to know how this guy went from "The Choom Gang" & his swinger mother to this.

"The competition for a spot in the Ivy Leagueâ€"widely considered the ticket to successâ€"is fierce and getting fiercer. But the admissions policies of elite universities have long been both tightly controlled and shrouded in secrecy. In The Chosen, the Berkeley sociologist Jerome Karabel lifts the veil on a century of admission and exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. How did the policies of our elite schools evolve? Whom have they let in and why? And what do those policies say about America?"

I certainly don't hold his use of the sacred pakololo and his Mata Hari mother against him--one I find healthy, and the other I find awesome--but don't tell me that this kid just had, like, real good grades and he pulled himself up by his own ears. Bullshit. And now that the 2nd election is over with, and the links (which appear quite legitimate and verifiable) to the Subud organization are suddenly being spread all over the conspirosphere--that's concerning. Also: Loretta Fuddy. I could give two shits in a windstorm's wrong direction about where he was born--unless it was on Mars, it is the least of any concerns about this guy.

Let me guess: you've not done any primary research on Subud, right? Right. My apologies in advance if I am mistaken, Apologist.

Welcome to the Quick Karl experience.  See? 

You and I are not quite under one sky, but man--I can smell the hot dogs grilling.

[NowhereInTime]

Let me guess: you've not done any primary research on Subud, right? Right. My apologies in advance if I am mistaken, Apologist.

No problem, Antagonist.  As you missed earlier, I did indeed do "primary research" into Subud and discovered something akin to Buddhism.  So it's from Indonesia. It offers a pathway to spiritualism not exclusive to any faith, but a "direct contact" with the one, true God. 

Sounds awful so far.

See, your problem is everything devious about Subud comes from such "objective" news outfits as "americanthinker.com" and "thenationalpatriot.com".  Once I hear people bitching about how the "mainstream media" is ignoring some "crucial truth", its time to quietly walk away to the next amusement ride.

One more thing.  Loretta Fuddy, may she rest in peace, was 65 years old trying to survive a plane crash.  I'm sure she was terrified and the shock clearly overwhelmed her.  Unless, of course, you think Barry O had her put down to hide "the truth".  Right, Antagonist?
 

[Jackstar]

You stopped with the research a little early. Did you get re-assigned?

"According to Mr. Vogt, a large and as yet unanswered income disparity was found between the two reports. In short, during her first year as Hawaii’s Director of Health, which is also the time she authenticated Obama’s COLB, Ms. Fuddy’s gross income was reportedly less than $100,000. Nonetheless, her financials show that she apparently paid down her mortgage and decreased her liabilities by at least $50,000 and perhaps as much as $75,000 more than what she grossed that year. Where did that money come from? While there may well be a legitimate explanation for this disparity, it was not disclosed on the financial forms she filed with the Hawaii State Ethics Commission."

Taken on its own, this is not a particularly suspicious circumstance. Even combined with a plane crash, not terribly unusual.

Taken in context with the following facts, however:

1) She attained her position under unusual circumstances;

2) She was placed directly in the unusual circumstance of authority over an unusually sensitive issue;

3) She also has her own links to Subud.

None of these facts mean anything on their own. Taken in context, they portray an alarming picture.

I voted twice for the guy. Had I access to this information before, perhaps I would have voted the same, and perhaps not--the point is that the information was prevented in its release to the citizenry.

So which is it? Are they protecting national security from... what? Communists? Castro? Because Occam's Razor states that someone is covering their own ass.

[RealCool Daddio]

Leaving aside his Harvard Law degree and having been editor of the Harvard Law Review and leaving aside his efforts as a civil rights lawyer and "community organizer", let's look at the bio:

http://www.biography.com/people/barack-obama-12782369#us-senate-career&awesm=~oFe1ABcqhUNqn8

"Obama's advocacy work led him to run for a seat in the Illinois State Senate. He ran as a Democrat, and won election in 1996. During these years, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to draft legislation on ethics, and expand health care services and early childhood education programs for the poor. He also created a state earned-income tax credit for the working poor. Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee as well, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, he worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

U.S. Senate Career

"In August 2004, diplomat and former presidential candidate Alan Keyes accepted the Republican nomination to replace Ryan. In three televised debates, Obama and Keyes expressed opposing views on stem cell research, abortion, gun control, school vouchers and tax cuts. In the November 2004 general election, Obama received 70 percent of the vote to Keyes' 27 percent, the largest electoral victory in Illinois history. With his win, Barack Obama became only the third African-American elected to the U.S. Senate since the Reconstruction.

Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Obama partnered with Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana on a bill that expanded efforts to destroy weapons of mass destruction in Eastern Europe and Russia. Then, with Republican Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, he created a website to track all federal spending. Obama also spoke out for victims of Hurricane Katrina, pushed for alternative energy development, and championed improved veterans' benefits."

So, a career in law, a career in the community, and a career in both state and federal legislature, including legislative success across the aisle.

Best resume' ever? No, but I didn't see anything else I could warm up to.

As to why so many of us followed him: (from biography.com)

"Following the 9/11 attacks in 2001, Obama was an early opponent  (emphasis mine) of President George W. Bush's push to go to war with Iraq. Obama was still a state senator when he spoke against a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq during a rally at Chicago's Federal Plaza in October 2002. "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars," he said. "What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.""

Not Hillary, not Biden, not Vilsack, not any Democrat (besides Kucinich, but even I have my limits) opposed the war.  In fact Hills', ever the opportunist, voted for it to show off her balls.

No one else talked about health care (Hillary jumped in late when she saw the wind blowing).  No one talked about ending wars and closing Gitmo (ok, still waiting for that, too). No one talked about economic issues that mattered to people who weren't the top 10% in the country.  No one else talked of America's strength through her values, not her military.  It made me even more proud to be an American that I would elect a president who wanted to promote elections and freedom of speech, not impose some arcane and spartan worldview based on some notion of "the real world".
...

Not bad, but to be an effective president, don't you need to be a Hollywood B-lister?  Or a Baseball Commissioner?

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[PB the Deplorable]

Leaving aside his Harvard Law degree and having been editor of the Harvard Law Review and leaving aside his efforts as a civil rights lawyer and "community organizer", let's look at the bio: ...

In other words, a big fat Zero.  So he signed on a few pieces of legislation others sponsored and gave a few speeches, big deal, that's what legislators do.  Even Hilary, when asked about her accomplishments - and couldn't think of any - didn't bother listing other people's legislation she supported or speeches she's given.

And he's great at giving speeches, I'll give you that.  Especially ones that don't have any actual substance.  It's when he gets away from his notes that he reveals who he really is.



Speaking of Hilary, get ready for the next Dear Leader.  The Cult of Personality built around the Clintons has been somewhat dormant out of deference to the present regime, but it's on the way back.  Luckily for her, lack of accomplishment won't matter.

[albrecht]

I wonder what Knapp would make of the way you chose to snip out the most relevant part of my post. Curious.

Also, I've never heard of Mark Lane by name, so his publicist must be terrible--or, you know, Company. Anyway, where is he at on assigning responsiblity to Johnson?

If you are even a bit interested in the JFK stuff then you should've heard of Mark Lane! I don't know what his final judgment was, I think CIA, but I never read his books cause not that into it. But he is a very prominent person for decades involved with the JFK stuff, Vietnam war criticism, and the lawyer for Jim Jones's church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_(author) That you never heard of him is very suspicious itself! Are you Company?!
I'm not sure how we views the LBJ involvement theory, though from what I've heard it would make sense. Though it could be more of a plausible deniability and that LBJ didn't outright say "go" but wink-wink, nudge-nudge from his friends who hated Kennedy. Sort of like, though less egregious, I doubt Obama directs his minions at the IRS to audit specific groups or people personally but they are made to "know" who they should target.

[albrecht]

In other words, a big fat Zero.  So he signed on a few pieces of legislation others sponsored and gave a few speeches, big deal, that's what legislators do.  Even Hilary, when asked about her accomplishments - and couldn't think of any - didn't bother listing other people's legislation she supported or speeches she's given.

And he's great at giving speeches, I'll give you that.  Especially ones that don't have any actual substance.  It's when he gets away from his notes that he reveals who he really is.



Speaking of Hilary, get ready for the next Dear Leader.  The Cult of Personality built around the Clintons has been somewhat dormant during the present regime, but it's on the way back.  Luckily for her, lack of accomplishment won't matter.

One only has to look to Chicage and the community he "organized" as his only job qualification to be President. Such a great job there. The area he organized is really doing well in terms of violence, crime, economic opportunity, single-motherhood, gang activity, and shooting!

He has some decent speech writers but I don't think he is that great of a speaker. His odd cadence is somewhat grating. The speeches themselves were good politics (say nothing really but try to appeal to all and blame everything on the guy currently in office) but the choppy delivery was annoying. Also you can tell he never actually practiced law in a courtroom or been in a real, decent debate because he is not quick on his feet when the teleprompter fails or the wrong notes are brought. One would think that a Harvard law education should help someone in impromptu replies, being ready to answer unexpected questions, etc.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  It is even worse at the federal government level.  In point of fact, there has not been a Republican administration in a generation - not one, in living memory - that has outperformed their Democrat counterparts in curbing government spending and growing the GDP.

Budgets are controlled by the Legislatures, not the President.  At least they were up until 2009 when they started passing 'Continuing Resolutions' in place of Budgets (thanks to the intransigence of Harry Reid).  Yes since the President has to sign them he typically gets his priorities funded as well, so there is a certain co-responsibility for the budgets.

But I think if you want to correlate years the deficits are rising and years they are declining to when which Party is in power, it is instructive to take a look at when the R's held the Congress, and when the D's held the Congress - not who was President.  It wasn't until Newt and the R's controlled the House that we had a surplus.  It wasn't until the R's defeated Nancy Pelosi and took back the House that the Obama deficits started to decline.

(And I'll also state George Bush II and the R's in the Congress stunk up the place when they were in office, but that is an aberration.  It's why the voters turned the Congress back over to the D's and a big part of how we ended up with someone like Obama)



As far as the Red and Blue States go, it's a little more complicated than the amount of cash being redistributed.  The various states are different from each other - many if not most of the Red States are mainly farming, or manufacturing, or energy producers.  Most of those jobs don't pay as well as paper shuffling jobs in the big city downtowns of the Blue States. 

Mfg jobs have been shipped overseas - the various state governments didn't set that in motion, the crony capitalists in DC and Wall St did.  Offhand I'd say the various bureaucracies in DC have mismanaged what goes on in those states more than the governments of those states themselves. 

[RealCool Daddio]

...

He has some decent speech writers but I don't think he is that great of a speaker. His odd cadence is somewhat grating. The speeches themselves were good politics (say nothing really but try to appeal to all and blame everything on the guy currently in office) but the choppy delivery was annoying. Also you can tell he never actually practiced law in a courtroom or been in a real, decent debate because he is not quick on his feet when the teleprompter fails or the wrong notes are brought. One would think that a Harvard law education should help someone in impromptu replies, being ready to answer unexpected questions, etc.

Of course, his predecessor set a very high bar:

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president."

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."

"They misunderestimated me."

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

And, of course:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

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[Kelt]

To be fair, Bush was no more running the show than I'm banging Angelina Jolie.

A very close facsimile of;

"Hello, George. I have a question to ask you, George."

"Yes, Dick?"

"George, how would you like to be President? I represent a group of people."



http://youtu.be/t-FIh7dxdD0

[Jackstar]

That you never heard of him is very suspicious itself!

I tend to agree. But I never really had a "favorite" source for JFK information, with the sole exception of Jim Marrs, who I only remember as an individual, because Art interviewed him. Did Art ever talk with Mark Lane?

Are you Company?!

No. I tanked my recruitment intentionally.

[albrecht]

Of course, his predecessor set a very high bar:

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president."

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."

"They misunderestimated me."

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

And, of course:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

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What does this have to do with Obama? He was about "change", remember? For the record I don't like Bush but, at least, we knew his background (dubious and bad as that was!) And he hasn't been President for many years now. But it is indeed telling that even the most hardcore Obama adherent always must bring up other people, especially boy Bush, instead of providing documentation or information about this character Obama. It is almost like a cult in which the "dear leader" cannot be questioned and any criticism, or even simple question, must be replied to with an example of Bush. Odd.

[albrecht]

I tend to agree. But I never really had a "favorite" source for JFK information, with the sole exception of Jim Marrs, who I only remember as an individual, because Art interviewed him. Did Art ever talk with Mark Lane?


No. I tanked my recruitment intentionally.

Not sure if Art ever had him on. Norry has during the "JFK Roundtable" during the anniversary of the murder time. It would sort of surprise if Art never had him on but I really don't know. Apparently though it was Jack Lane who first used the term "grassy knoll" that has become so popular.

By the way, speaking of Jim Marrs. Is he related to Texe Marrs? Both conspiracy guys, though Texe more religious conspiracy stuff and recently has gotten on a anti-Jewish bent apparently. Both in Texas and same last name but I've never been able to figure out if they are actually related or just random or maybe far distant relation.

[retired41]

texx and jim are not related and lane was never on with art

[albrecht]

texx and jim are not related and lane was never on with art

Thanks! And, darn, because it could've been a good show having Lane on with Art. Everything from AIM, Jim Jones, JFK, Vietnam, and Civil Rights struggle could've been covered.

[Jackstar]

By the way, speaking of Jim Marrs. Is he related to Texe Marrs?

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