Will there be blood?

[Foodlion]

What's not to get?

Occupy Wallstreet, you are a dangerous enemy of the state.

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Occupy Ranchland, you are a patriot.

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Patriot lost its meaning. Fox news Hannity ran that word into the dirt. I think the bottom group would rather be labeled as a Militia.

[Yorkshire pud]

Patriot lost its meaning. Fox news Hannity ran that word into the dirt. I think the bottom group would rather be labeled as a Militia.

Is that because they hang the stars and stripes from any vantage point to prove they're American? Oh and thank god.

[RealCool Daddio]

Looks like the those crazy, gun totin`, Jesus lovin`, redneck militia and ranchers....won.



Good stuff!!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

Well, if by "won", you mean lost half of his heard in the round up, sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/ripples-nevada-range-showdown-spreading-west-23297458?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2F

Assuming $1500 per head at auction, his victory only cost him $600,000.  Bundy is the Charlie Sheen of ranching.
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[Zoo]

Well, if by "won", you mean lost half of his heard in the round up, sure.

Sometimes the hardest thing in the world, is to stand up for what you believe in. While others mock you, poke fun at you, and try to humiliate you. Do not be scared to tell others what you think. If they have any respect as a fellow human they will listen to what you have to say. Nothing says they have to agree with you at all but they should keep an open mind.

As for the Bundy Ranch I would call this a win. Him and his family was not shoot(Ruby Ridge, Feds killed innocent people), they are not in jail, and a little bit of flexing made the big bad wolf stop. I would call that a win. Oh and Charlie Sheen in most peoples eyes won too. Got his own show on FX, still making money after telling the world to piss off. How is that a loss? Which I really do not give a crap just a point.

I like how people stand up to huge odds for what they think is right and others are willing to make a stand with them that is America in my eyes!!1

[RealCool Daddio]

Sometimes the hardest thing in the world, is to stand up for what you believe in. While others mock you, poke fun at you, and try to humiliate you. Do not be scared to tell others what you think. If they have any respect as a fellow human they will listen to what you have to say. Nothing says they have to agree with you at all but they should keep an open mind.

As for the Bundy Ranch I would call this a win. Him and his family was not shoot(Ruby Ridge, Feds killed innocent people), they are not in jail, and a little bit of flexing made the big bad wolf stop. I would call that a win. Oh and Charlie Sheen in most peoples eyes won too. Got his own show on FX, still making money after telling the world to piss off. How is that a loss? Which I really do not give a crap just a point.

I like how people stand up to huge odds for what they think is right and others are willing to make a stand with them that is America in my eyes!!1

Charlie already had his own show, and was paid almost $2 million an episode for it.  He is now paid $100,000 per episode.  Bundy used to have around 900 head of cattle, he now has about 500 (but he is still breathing, as you point out). 

So I will concede that it was a victory, of the pyrrhic variety.

[Zoo]

Charlie already had his own show, and was paid almost $2 million an episode for it.  He is now paid $100,000 per episode.  Bundy used to have around 900 head of cattle, he now has about 500 (but he is still breathing, as you point out). 

So I will concede that it was a victory, of the pyrrhic variety.

Well had a friend called me and said it might not be over. BLM redeployed after he went to go get cattle. I can not confirm yet this is just hearsay.

Fox just said it is done so who knows I trust FOX as about as much as MSNBC!!1

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Well the next stage is probably the IRS. Bundy is lucky both he and Reid are Mormon, may have lightened some of the conflict.

[RealCool Daddio]

Well had a friend called me and said it might not be over. BLM redeployed after he went to go get cattle. I can not confirm yet this is just hearsay.

Fox just said it is done so who knows I trust FOX as about as much as MSNBC!!1

Yes, the most recent reports confirm that armed insurgents, loyal to desert strongman Bundy, are attempting to liberate the 400 or so wrongfully imprisoned bovines before the US federal interlopers can have them extraordinarily renditioned across state lines, where they would no doubt be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques involving stress positions over charcoal, and being submerged in BBQ sauce (known as "sauce boarding").

[RealCool Daddio]

Victory!

Latest reports are that a member of desert strongman Bundy's immediate family - rumoured to be favoured son Ammad, sorry, Ammon, head of the Bundy clan's military wing - has successfully negotiated the release of the bovine hostages from the American imperialists.  May Allah be praised, and continue to protect the brave members of the Bundy mooojahadin.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Hope those bovines don't get taken up by black helicopters ufos and mutilated. Just sayin'

[Zoo]

interrogation techniques involving stress positions over charcoal, and being submerged in BBQ sauce (known as "sauce boarding").

Damn now I am hungry could go for some BBQ.

Well do not worry there is going to be another one in May for sure!!1

[Birdie]

 Just looked on Facebook and found it amusing how some folks are calling this ridiculousness a 'victory' for Bundy and his militia buddies. Sounds to me like BLM came in with wranglers, carried out two court orders to seize cattle in trespass on federal lands and were confronted with potentially unstable protesters, so they left. Who is the smart one in this situation? Do they really think this is over? Once the crazies, I mean 'patriots' leave, the feds will be back to finish the job. They don't just let this kind of shit go. Getting 100 cattle back because the 'patriots' were trying to release them is just a placating move. And they are dumb enough to be lulled by it.
I'd also like to know where these concerned militia assholes were when Bundy was getting notices from the government for 20 years to pay up or move his shit. Why were they not  lining up in support of Bundy at the courthouses as his case worked it's way through the legal system? I guess they only get concerned when there is a chance to wear their survival gear and wave their dicks, I mean guns, around on TV. The only issue I have with the gov't on this are the bullshit 'first amendment zones.' Maybe the 'patriots' should be more concerned about that affront to their constitutional rights.
Bundy says he will do whatever it takes to protect 'his land.' Here is a newsflash for you, Mr. Bundy: it is not your land, no matter how long your family has been there. Maybe you should have legally purchased or somehow otherwise acquired enough land for your cattle. Or maybe you should have just paid your damn grazing fees, like everyone else does. You are not special and you do not get special privileges.
I'd like to see the Native Americans originally from the area come to Bundy's actual, owned property and reclaim it for their tribe. Now that would be a news story.
The seized cattle, at $1000 a head, don't make up for the delinquent grazing fees. They should seize Bundy's home and real estate to satisfy the debt. That is probably the next move, plus some federal charges. So far, it sounds like the feds have more than bent over backwards to accommodate Bundy and by most reports, he is a self-important asshole with no respect for anyone else's private property.
Maybe if the protesters had made some headway towards having laws changed and were somewhere closer to having those federal lands reverted back to being state lands (wasn't that supposed to be real beef?) they could trumpet 'victory.' No one got shot. Whoop de doo. My, how our standards have dropped. Where is the victory? 'The Feds think we are so mentally unstable we might shoot at them, so they left for a while! Victory!' Smh.
Oh, and if anyone kicked my dog, they would be lucky if they only got tasered.

[WhiteCrow]

Just looked on Facebook and found it amusing how some folks are calling this ridiculousness a 'victory' for Bundy and his militia buddies. Sounds to me like BLM came in with wranglers, carried out two court orders to seize cattle in trespass on federal lands and were confronted with potentially unstable protesters, so they left. Who is the smart one in this situation? Do they really think this is over? Once the crazies, I mean 'patriots' leave, the feds will be back to finish the job. They don't just let this kind of shit go. Getting 100 cattle back because the 'patriots' were trying to release them is just a placating move. And they are dumb enough to be lulled by it.
I'd also like to know where these concerned militia assholes were when Bundy was getting notices from the government for 20 years to pay up or move his shit. Why were they not  lining up in support of Bundy at the courthouses as his case worked it's way through the legal system? I guess they only get concerned when there is a chance to wear their survival gear and wave their dicks, I mean guns, around on TV. The only issue I have with the gov't on this are the bullshit 'first amendment zones.' Maybe the 'patriots' should be more concerned about that affront to their constitutional rights.
Bundy says he will do whatever it takes to protect 'his land.' Here is a newsflash for you, Mr. Bundy: it is not your land, no matter how long your family has been there. Maybe you should have legally purchased or somehow otherwise acquired enough land for your cattle. Or maybe you should have just paid your damn grazing fees, like everyone else does. You are not special and you do not get special privileges.
I'd like to see the Native Americans originally from the area come to Bundy's actual, owned property and reclaim it for their tribe. Now that would be a news story.
The seized cattle, at $1000 a head, don't make up for the delinquent grazing fees. They should seize Bundy's home and real estate to satisfy the debt. That is probably the next move, plus some federal charges. So far, it sounds like the feds have more than bent over backwards to accommodate Bundy and by most reports, he is a self-important asshole with no respect for anyone else's private property.
Maybe if the protesters had made some headway towards having laws changed and were somewhere closer to having those federal lands reverted back to being state lands (wasn't that supposed to be real beef?) they could trumpet 'victory.' No one got shot. Whoop de doo. My, how our standards have dropped. Where is the victory? 'The Feds think we are so mentally unstable we might shoot at them, so they left for a while! Victory!' Smh.
Oh, and if anyone kicked my dog, they would be lucky if they only got tasered.

^^^^ yep smart move by the Feds so this didn't turn into another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

Bundy views on open free BLM range land would flip flop against someone else trying to run cattle on the same 'free range' land.

Billy the Kid fought in the Lincoln County War over different cattle owners, battling each other about grazing cattle on the same 'free' range land.

We moved to a 'rent' grazing rights on federal owned land decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_Kid

Although the nasty side of me, would of enjoyed watching some of those colorful Patriots go at it with the Feds

[PB the Deplorable]

The BLM (not to mention the EPA) has been bullying ranchers and other land owners since Obama took office (yes Bundy paid for the water rights, and made a deal for access to the land with the State of Nevada years ago).  Actually the BLM and EPA have been out of control since long before that, but it's gotten much much worse - like everything else this regime has gotten involved with.  But, you know, it doesn't affect city folk - at least not yet - so no one really seems to give a hoot. 

A Harry Reid crony runs the BLM.  Reid has been doing dirty deals to enrich himself and his family with the BLM for years.  Interesting that this land grab ended less than a day after it was revealed Dingy Harry is dealing with a Chinese 'solar farm' to control the property.  I guess they'll have to lay low for awhile before trying to steal someone else's grazing land.

The one-sided reporting we've been getting is yet another example that Big Media is a wholly owned arm of the 'Progressive' Party.

This is a victory for Property Rights and Free Enterprise, but just a tiny bump in the road in the current full-on sprint to create a Socialist Dictatorship.


For any still wondering why we need the Second Amendment and still claiming citizens with guns could never be an impediment to a tyrannical government as well armed as ours, here is an example for you.  We'll keep our guns - but thanks for the concern (by the way, it's really too bad the victims at Waco and Ruby Ridge weren't able to fight back and take some of these Brown Shirts with them).

[Mind Flayer Monk]

This is a victory for Property Rights and Free Enterprise, but just a tiny diversion in the current full-on sprint to create a Socialist Dictatorship.
...(by the way, it's really too bad the victims at Waco and Ruby Ridge weren't able to fight back and take some of these Brown Shirts with them).

You are completely wrong PB. Guys like this getting sweetheart deals from the government are the enemy of Free Enterprise. A hard working business tries to get things done and a guy like thinks he is beholden to no one and uses his special favors to shutdown entrepreneurship. I never thought I would see you championing the liberal side of the argument. And Harry Reid is probably protecting him too.

The people at Ruby Ridge weren't able to fight back? One of the RR guys shot and killed a federal officer at short range with a 30-06.

[FightTheFuture]

I am told that Harry Reid is now pouting.

HUGE celebration underway on the Bundy ranch.

A VERY  good day for American citizens  who are fed up with a huge, bloated, increasingly tyrannical, centralized federal government.  Good stuff, indeed!

[RealCool Daddio]

Poor, inner city black man asks for free stuff from the government?  He is a worthless taker, a drain on society.

White rancher demands free stuff from the government, at gun point?  He is a patriot and hero.

Nope, no hypocrisy from America's conservatives....

[PB the Deplorable]

Poor, inner city black man asks for free stuff from the government?  He is a worthless taker, a drain on society.

White rancher demands free stuff from the government, at gun point?  He is a patriot and hero.

Nope, no hypocrisy from America's conservatives....

Farmers and ranchers work damn hard.  And produce our food.  The people living off the rest of us lay around, producing nothing. 

Yeah, other than that they're just the same.

[Zoo]

Poor, inner city black man asks for free stuff from the government?  He is a worthless taker, a drain on society.

White rancher demands free stuff from the government, at gun point?  He is a patriot and hero.

Nope, no hypocrisy from America's conservatives....

Well to tell the truth Rich White People get more money from taxpayers than any group in America. In fact go to the site called open the books( http://www.openthebooks.com/ ) It will show you how Lockheed Martin, GE, and hundereds of  other compaies are getting more money than you think from tax payers. So have fun with that knowledge!!1

http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/big-media-blindspot-the-federal-reserve-0_x6dumj39m70

[PB the Deplorable]

Well to tell the truth Rich White People get more money from taxpayers than any group in America. In fact go to the site called open the books( http://www.openthebooks.com/ ) It will show you how Lockheed Martin, GE, and hundereds of  other compaies are getting more money than you think from tax payers. So have fun with that knowledge!!1...

This calls for going downtown, lighting cars on fire, smashing store windows and stealing as much as we can carry. 

In the cause of Justice.

[Zoo]

This calls for going downtown, lighting cars on fire, smashing store windows and stealing as much as we can carry. 

In the cause of Justice.

Well that is a riot not a protest. I stand up for my rights doing my best not to step on others. I  think more people should do the same. I do not make fun of others who do not because it is their right to do nothing. I just want people to know it is ok to make a stand and that their are people out their that will stand with you if they feel your cause is just!!1

[RealCool Daddio]

Farmers and ranchers work damn hard.  And produce our food.  The people living off the rest of us lay around, producing nothing. 

Yeah, other than that they're just the same.

Hard working white folk deserve endless amounts of government largesse, and poor black folk lay around and live off that.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Zoo]

Hard working white folk deserve endless amounts of government largesse, and poor black folk lay around and live off that.

Thanks for the clarification.

Most of your so called farms and ranchers are subcontracted by large corporations. The whole ideal of the family farm is very rare anymore. This has been done to fool you in thinking that anytime you go against Beef Ind, Chicken Ind,  and farming ind your killing the American farmer!!1

[Yorkshire pud]

Most of your so called farms and ranchers are subcontracted by large corporations. The whole ideal of the family farm is very rare anymore. This has been done to fool you in thinking that anytime you go against Beef Ind, Chicken Ind,  and farming ind your killing the American farmer!!1

Yes, but PB won't mention that because it won't support his fanciful and archaic notion that modern farming is straight out of something Lorne Green might be in. He had to get his swipe against Obama in the first sentence had not a single criticism of Bundy. Not a one. Leading the casual reader to suppose PB is all for one individual freeloading off the many as long as; they're white in stetsons and can get enough rednecks who have bought their local Walmart's stock of American flags and ammo. 2nd ammendment my arse; It's just chest inflated bullshit.

[PB the Deplorable]

Yes, but PB won't mention that because it won't support his fanciful and archaic notion that modern farming is straight out of something Lorne Green might be in. He had to get his swipe against Obama in the first sentence had not a single criticism of Bundy. Not a one. Leading the casual reader to suppose PB is all for one individual freeloading off the many as long as; they're white in stetsons and can get enough rednecks who have bought their local Walmart's stock of American flags and ammo. 2nd ammendment my arse; It's just chest inflated bullshit.

PB didn't mention corporate farms because this is about a family ranch.

PB got a swipe against Obama in because that shit stain is in charge of the BLM and EPA and apparently approves of their bullying tactics and property theft - if not setting them in motion.

Not a single criticism about Bundy because, again, that isn't what the story is about.  And plenty of others have covered that in this thread already.  People have brought up the poor and lazy on this thread but didn't offer any criticism - somehow you overlooked that too.


Yeah it's all bullshit. I propose those in favor of this war on ranchers and farmers and the war on energy and the wars on everything else that is productive in our country reimburse the rest of us for the higher costs these policies create, and get cut off first when the shortages begin. 

[paladin1991]

Thank you for the link, it is good.
So this guy's cattle are messing up private citizen's houses as well. Sounds to me like everyone is sick of this guy.

Oh, and Bundy is letting his cattle "graze" on private farmer's alfalfa fields. What an asshole.

Huh.   Hadn't heard that bit.  If'n I was a neighbor and his cattle were eating up my property, I'd be havin' a BBQ.  Yeehaa!  Come get some,  Cliven!

[paladin1991]

This calls for going downtown, lighting cars on fire, smashing store windows and stealing as much as we can carry. 

In the cause of Justice.

Or did the Lakers win again?

[Yorkshire pud]

PB didn't mention corporate farms because this is about a family ranch.

PB got a swipe against Obama in because that shit stain is in charge of the BLM and EPA and apparently approves of their bullying tactics and property theft - if not setting them in motion.

Not a single criticism about Bundy because, again, that isn't what the story is about. 

It's exactly who it's about. A self styled 'do what the hell I like' cowboy who thinks his wants exceed everyone elses.

And plenty of others have covered that in this thread already.  People have brought up the poor and lazy on this thread but didn't offer any criticism - somehow you overlooked that too.

Actually no I didn't. But I pointed out (as have others) how this guy trying to not pay his way, using land that doesn't belong to him (or pay the rent on it) is somehow seen by some exercising his 'constitutional' rights. But I'd put money on that ppint of view being very different if (for instance) he was a Mexican farmer whose family had that land many many years before Bundy's family came on the scene..or as someone else mentioned Native Indian tribes.

Yeah it's all bullshit. I propose those in favor of this war on ranchers and farmers and the war on energy and the wars on everything else that is productive in our country reimburse the rest of us for the higher costs these policies create, and get cut off first when the shortages begin.

What war on ranchers? It's one bloke being a twat with no regard to anyone else.As for war on energy; Well I got news for you, energy production is needing a rethink and soon very soon, or our grandkids will be well and truly screwed.

[RealCool Daddio]

Actually no I didn't. But I pointed out (as have others) how this guy trying to not pay his way, using land that doesn't belong to him (or pay the rent on it) is somehow seen by some exercising his 'constitutional' rights. But I'd put money on that ppint of view being very different if (for instance) he was a Mexican farmer whose family had that land many many years before Bundy's family came on the scene..or as someone else mentioned Native Indian tribes.

You are absolutely right, Pud, but don't forget, Bundy comes from a privileged class.  He is a white, Jesus praising, gun toting, government hating tried and true patriotic conservative.  This puts him above the law, because, you know, the constitution, and Alinsky, and Reagan and stuff.

If, however, you are of a darker complexion, like America's original inhabitants, you have no legal standing.  If you should arm yourself to defend the land of your forefathers the full force of the jackboots will descend upon your neck.  Because, in PBs world, social justice is based entirely on political ideology, and always favours the establishment.  Just ask Leonard Peltier.

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[PB the Deplorable]

It's exactly who it's about. A self styled 'do what the hell I like' cowboy who thinks his wants exceed everyone elses.

Actually no I didn't. But I pointed out (as have others) how this guy trying to not pay his way, using land that doesn't belong to him (or pay the rent on it) is somehow seen by some exercising his 'constitutional' rights. But I'd put money on that ppint of view being very different if (for instance) he was a Mexican farmer whose family had that land many many years before Bundy's family came on the scene..or as someone else mentioned Native Indian tribes.

What war on ranchers? It's one bloke being a twat with no regard to anyone else.As for war on energy; Well I got news for you, energy production is needing a rethink and soon very soon, or our grandkids will be well and truly screwed.

This isn't England where the King and the 'nobility' own most of the land and everyone else is just a subject.  We Americans own the land.  If someone finds it viable to graze, mine, drill for oil, or whatever else, they are allowed to do so providing they make a claim and pay the fees.  Homesteading and acquiring the rights to use the land, moving ever westward, was how this country was built.   

This family bought the water rights years ago.  They own that until they sell it or it is 'taken' under eminent domain.  They've ranched that land for over 100 years.  They had an agreement in place with the State to pay for grazing, and have paid everything they owed on that.  There is nothing in the agreement that says they have to pay more if the Federal BLM takes over (which they did), anymore than someone with a lease would have to pay more rent for their apartment if their building was sold and the new owner said he wanted for more.

The Indians have no more claim to that land than the Celts, Romans, or Anglo-Saxons have to the land in your country.  It's sad that wars have been fought and land taken, but the Mexicans took it from Spain, who took it from the Indians, who took it from other Indians who were there before that.  The entire world is like that.


As far as the abuses by the BLM and EPA to land owners and people who have certain rights to government land in this country, the fact that you are not aware of the issues is a failure on the part of the Media to cover the story, and a failure on your part to do research if you are interested in it.


By the way, that land looks like mostly typical Nevada scrubland out in the middle of nowhere.  Not exactly prime real estate.  It's an issue now because Harry Reid apparently wants to do another one of his corrupt deals and hand it over to the Chinese for solar farming.  And collect a giant fee.  But he's a government official and a Democrat, so we are all supposed to look the other way on that and dump on this rancher instead.