Will there be blood?

[PB the Deplorable]

Typical polyannish view of private enterprise...

I'm only pointing out that one is much worse and more dangerous to our Liberty than the other.  Not that one is good and one is bad - that's the Libs game.

...  You have no power when it comes to corporate America's misdeeds.  Regulators are understaffed and underfunded.  Corporate officers are beholden only to their respective boards, many of whom they incestuously interpopulate. 
But no, really, let's put our faith in people who's only goal in life is to get more....

I suggest if the government focused on the legitimate things it should be doing - instead of getting their tentacles into every corner and crevice of or lives - they would be more efficient doing the things they were meant to do.  Like regulating the excess of Capitalism you mentioned.

I also suggest the greediest people in the world are the Socialists elected or appointed to government office - in our country that would mostly be the Democrats.  They are insatiable for evermore power and ever higher taxes.

... farm foreclosing, personal rights denying...

Ever heard of the BLM and a guy named Clive Bundy?  He's the tip of the iceberg, the one who made the news because he won't be run off his land without a fight

... information stealing...

Or the revelations of a man named Snowden?

... health cost jacking...

Or a piece of shit legislation laughably called The Affordable Care Act?

...  politician buying...

Can't buy them if they aren't for sale.

And not worth 'buying' unless they have too much power to dole out favors to their friends and too much of our tax money to distribute to their cronies in the first place.  That's sort of the point of not letting it get too big in the first place.

[Jackstar]

Or the revelations of a man named Snowden?

http://youtu.be/DOQ5m4btECM

He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor
Stood up to the Man and he gave him what for
Our love for him now ain't hard to explain
The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne... or Snowed In... or Snowed 'Em... or whatever


#SHEOPLE

[NowhereInTime]

I'm only pointing out that one is much worse and more dangerous to our Liberty than the other.  Not that one is good and one is bad - that's the Libs game.


I suggest if the government focused on the legitimate things it should be doing - instead of getting their tentacles into every corner and crevice of or lives - they would be more efficient doing the things they were meant to do.  Like regulating the excess of Capitalism you mentioned.

I also suggest the greediest people in the world are the Socialists elected or appointed to government office - in our country that would mostly be the Democrats.  They are insatiable for evermore power and ever higher taxes.


Ever heard of the BLM and a guy named Clive Bundy?  He's the tip of the iceberg, the one who made the news because he won't be run off his land without a fight


Or the revelations of a man named Snowden?


Or a piece of shit legislation laughably called The Affordable Care Act?


Can't buy them if they aren't for sale.

And not worth 'buying' unless they have too much power to dole out favors to their friends and too much of our tax money to distribute to their cronies in the first place.  That's sort of the point of not letting it get too big in the first place.

No, you are constantly calling out the "invisible hand" as the best determiner of social condition.  Great, the idea that people have choice through economic power.  Except that most don't have economic power.
I would suggest that you use any opportunity to suggest that socialists are the catch basin of everything wrong in the world, no matter how much of a nonsensical non sequitur  it turns out to be.
But you're right. Private drones that are already gathering information on us, credit bureaus tracking our every purchase, corporate lawyers stealing intellectual property from ex-employees due to one sided "agreements", collusion between companies to limit hiring, off shoring workforces to dodge living wages and production standards?
Not a threat at all.  Oblackma and his insurance scheme? LIBERTY DENIED.

Want to see real liberty denied?  Here's a peek into Paper*Boy's wet dreams:

http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/14/investing/tom-perkins-vote/

See? It all makes sense! Mo' money mo' votes!  And Occupy was Kristallnacht! 

This is why you guys are losing, not the lame ass media.

[someguy]

Hey guys, I'm just going to start logging your back yards. That's not okay? Well, too bad for you I have a bunch of poeple with rifles.

[b_dubb]

http://disinfo.com/2014/05/militiamen-oath-keepers-drew-weapons-threatened-kill/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+disinfo%2FoMPh+%28Disinformation%29

bunch of murderous clowns

[West of the Rockies]

Wow, I SO did not see that coming out of that group of brave patriots, Bdubb! 😉

[b_dubb]

Wow, I SO did not see that coming out of that group of brave patriots, Bdubb! 😉

I know. Shocking that groups of people looking for an excuse to shoot a fed would turn on each other.

[West of the Rockies]

FreeDUMB!!!

[Jackstar]

Sounds like a job for Michael Westen.

[NowhereInTime]

Sounds like a job for Michael Westen.

[Yorkshire pud]

Wow, I SO did not see that coming out of that group of brave patriots, Bdubb! 😉

A few points about this story so far (all of them hilarious) that should be seen as a win win by the patriot sympathisers.


The Feds have played the long game on this, and know that the shit for brains patriots would eventually get grumpy with each other: Too many egos, too many Y chromosomes in the same fuckwit. Hopefully the Feds will mitigate any unnecessary injuries and deaths to themselves by watching it unfold from a safe distance (and maybe open a book on how many will be alive in 15, 20, 30 minutes) and going in later with garbage trucks to pick up the waste. Then go and feed it to the wildlife.

The cost will be minimal; Only fuel for garbage trucks and none on ordnance. A great selling point isn't it? Tax dollars were not used in this instance because the Feds let the fuckwits kill themselves. Win win.

The downside is that Alex Jones will no doubt say that the FEDS orchestrated the event because the Feds knew the fuckwit patriots were too fucking stupid to have anything more dangerous than a paper bag that went pop let alone a self loading rifle. And because they knew this, it was a sneaky way of getting ur gurns. 
  As only the terminally idiotic take what he says as true anyway, it won't matter.

[PB the Deplorable]

A few points about this story so far (all of them hilarious) that should be seen as a win win by the patriot sympathisers.


The Feds have played the long game on this...

You give them too much credit.  My guess is the plan is to wait until after the midterm elections, then bring in the Waco unit.

[Yorkshire pud]

You give them too much credit. 

Well the alternative is the patriot fuckwits are the intelligent ones.... I know police and soldiers don't all hit genius level at anything, but of the two sides, my money is on the FEDS being the smart ones here.

My guess is the plan is to wait until after the midterm elections, then bring in the Waco unit.

No need for that PB. No need for the Feds to fire a single round. The dumbasses will do it for them, C'mon you have to admit it will make great TV, a mini civil war in the middle of the desert. Hotdogs and beer at half time, maybe even get a franchise up.

[VtaGeezer]

You give them too much credit.  My guess is the plan is to wait until after the midterm elections, then bring in the Waco unit.

Some of the militia zealots are clearly pining for something like that; especially while they can blame it on this President.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Some of the militia zealots are clearly pining for something like that; especially while they can blame it on this President.

I agree. This Democrat Kenyan Muslim atheist socialist president, to be exact.

I've read enough of the lunatic fringe rantings to get the message that there are some who want to provoke some kind of conflict between the feds and the 'patriots' or whatever they call themselves now. And historically speaking, it won't end nicely for them, or rather, their woman shields.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I saw a scene in a movie many years ago that reminds me of this dispute between rival groups.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

[UnscreenedCaller]

I saw a scene in a movie many years ago that reminds me of this dispute between rival groups.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Well, that made me laugh out loud. Thanks, RGG.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Cheers, UC!

Fanatical insistence on ideological purity eventually sinks every fringe movement, no matter what philosophy it espouses.  Looks like these folks are more serious about threatening to shoot each other to settle a squabble about who's more patriotic than they are about their avowed purpose of getting "their" country back.

[Jackstar]

There is exactly zero percent chance that Federal agents have not infiltrated both groups.

Are they working to maintain peace and civility? *hollow laughter echoing in the desert hills*

[paladin1991]

There is exactly zero percent chance that Federal agents have not infiltrated both groups.

Are they working to maintain peace and civility? *hollow laughter echoing in the desert hills*

.gov is everywhere, all the time.  It is here.  We are all being monitored and put on varying lists.  Go ahead and laugh.  See you in the gulags, zek.

Actually,  you won't see me there.  The .gov will have come for me long before they work themselves far enough down the list for the lot of you.

[Yorkshire pud]

.gov is everywhere, all the time.  It is here.  We are all being monitored and put on varying lists.  Go ahead and laugh.  See you in the gulags, zek.

Actually,  you won't see me there.  The .gov will have come for me long before they work themselves far enough down the list for the lot of you.

Wow, that's supremely arrogant. What makes you so important? I'm sure it's still on YT somewhere, but Alex Jones ranted circa 2009 on air that in 2010 almost everyone in the USA was to be rounded up into FEMA camps, where they would be forced to have flu vaccines and if they resisted, shot. Here in 2014 he's obviously been busy on more pressing things other than the imminent (In 2009) forced internment of 320 million people and hasn't had time to clarify what was said five years ago.

Back to the desert fling with the pretend GI Joes: So what if the Feds have infiltrated them? Know thine enemy, knowledge is power, exploit their weaknesses and use their strength against themselves...been used since Alexander the Great, it's used by all military forces, nothing new.

All it needed would be a few buttons pressed on the particularly hot headed paranoid ones in subtle ways and just let the wind up toys go. Do these 'patriots' really believe the Feds are so fucking stupid that they wouldn't let them do their work for them? I still think the TV companies should consider getting it franchised and broadcast it. Maybe mini cameras showing a round exiting some dumbass's head and slow motion reply. If it does kick off, will there be a shift away from concentrating on inner cities to deserts for shoot outs? Seriously, I think it unfair that cities get all the glamour. Spread the love lead as it were.

[paladin1991]

Wow, that's supremely arrogant. What makes you so important? I'm sure it's still on YT somewhere, but Alex Jones ranted circa 2009 on air that in 2010 almost everyone in the USA was to be rounded up into FEMA camps, where they would be forced to have flu vaccines and if they resisted, shot.

Arrogance?  Actually it's American Excetionalism that you take exception to.     (I feeeel your umbrage fm across the pond and am quite amused by it.  Exceptionally so)
As to Alex Jones, since you are so familiar with the American lunatic fringe, did he ever say anything about the 20 million Chinese soldiers that are supposedly bivouacked in the Sonoran desert waiting for orders to invade the US.....for the last 20 years?

20 years in a Sonoran desert?  Hah.  That makes them naturalized Mexicans doesn't it?

[Yorkshire pud]

Arrogance?  Actually it's American Excetionalism that you take exception to.     (I feeeel your umbrage fm across the pond and am quite amused by it.  Exceptionally so)

Nope, definitely just yourself; I didn't extend it to your fellow citizens. Whatever it is amuses you, it sure isn't any umbrage from me. I told you that before.

The .gov will have come for me long before they work themselves far enough down the list for the lot of you.

^^ Yep, you're special. Special enough to be taken first. Wow.

As to Alex Jones, since you are so familiar with the American lunatic fringe, did he ever say anything about the 20 million Chinese soldiers that are supposedly bivouacked in the Sonoran desert waiting for orders to invade the US.....for the last 20 years?

No idea, did he? It isn't familiarity that's my bag. It's the fact that so many actually take notice and believe what he says as being true, and they keep going back for more. A bit like bear baiting but with a mic rather than sticks. That is scary, especially when they have access to weapons.

[Unquenchable Angst]

When I was in Costa Rica a couple years ago, there were a lot of Chinese there. Chinese built a big sports stadium in San Jose and there are 600 barracks rooms built under the stands. A friend there told me the Chinese fill and empty those barracks monthly. The Chinese are working on roads there and many other works projects. The Chinese are also in Panama building a new canal. A lot of Chinese cars and Trucks there also , I saw several dealerships. After the Reid deals with the Chines in the Nevada desert I would not doubt that something is up between government land and the US debt to China. I for one will listen to what Alex Jones says and filter by discrimination and find any evidence. I certainly wont condemn Jones in a blanket condemnation.

[SciFiAuthor]

When I was in Costa Rica a couple years ago, there were a lot of Chinese there. Chinese built a big sports stadium in San Jose and there are 600 barracks rooms built under the stands. A friend there told me the Chinese fill and empty those barracks monthly. The Chinese are working on roads there and many other works projects. The Chinese are also in Panama building a new canal. A lot of Chinese cars and Trucks there also , I saw several dealerships. After the Reid deals with the Chines in the Nevada desert I would not doubt that something is up between government land and the US debt to China. I for one will listen to what Alex Jones says and filter by discrimination and find any evidence. I certainly wont condemn Jones in a blanket condemnation.

It's all over Central America and the Caribbean. I saw Chinese-built highways in Belize, Honduras and Jamaica. It's almost like China is trying to build a sphere of influence on our door step.

[albrecht]

It's all over Central America and the Caribbean. I saw Chinese-built highways in Belize, Honduras and Jamaica. It's almost like China is trying to build a sphere of influence on our door step.

They are. Also, a lot of people were poking fun at the constant alarmist Alex Jones, and others, about foreign troops on our soil. I think their statements are a little "off" but if examined a little closer their theory is thus. Ignore the joint operations, military training programs, the old "School Of Americas", etc, etc. The underlying point is that every student, or most, coming from places like PRC are military as they by law need to undergo military education per Art 55 ""It is a sacred duty of every citizen of the People's Republic of China to defend his or her motherland and resist invasion. It is an honored Obligation of the citizens of the People's Republic of China to perform military service and to join the militia forces." However, I doubt considering the population and economics that really all would undergo military training unlike ROC, S.Korea, or some European countries with better economies and smaller population. But one would think that the "select" who get to leave the mainland and attend US universities, military training, high-tech firms, might have connections to the PLA is more believable.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

It's all over Central America and the Caribbean. I saw Chinese-built highways in Belize, Honduras and Jamaica. It's almost like China is trying to build a sphere of influence on our door step.

I think it is more they are trying to acquire global farmland and the roads are a necessary piece of the infrastructure for moving farm goods and cash crops to shipping lanes.
The Saudis are also in this.
Here is an older article:
http://www.economist.com/node/13692889

http://www.enterrasolutions.com/media/images/2009/06/6a00d8341c4ebd53ef011570b8d7a2970b-pi.gif

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Here is Jamaica, 2014:
Signed an agreement with Chinese firm to sell sugar cane and molasses on behalf of cane farmers.
"Pan Caribbean Sugar Company (PCSC) is to be conferred with 'agent' status, effectively ending the monopoly on the marketing of Jamaicans sugar crystals held by Jamaica Cane Product Sales, but sugar regulators say the status quo will remain for the current crop."
Two articles:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Pan-Caribbean-to-sell-sugar-on-behalf-of-cane-farmers
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120325/business/business1.html

I will check into Honduras and Belize later.

[SciFiAuthor]

I think it is more they are trying to acquire global farmland and the roads are a necessary piece of the infrastructure for moving farm goods and cash crops to shipping lanes.
The Saudis are also in this.
Here is an older article:
http://www.economist.com/node/13692889

http://www.enterrasolutions.com/media/images/2009/06/6a00d8341c4ebd53ef011570b8d7a2970b-pi.gif

I could certainly see why they would do that, China needs a lot of food and securing supply is always smart. Also Belize and Jamaica both have a lot of underutilized land. But it does remind me of the old British colonial days, where white farmers would buy up enormous tracts of land. Ultimately that would lead to rough situations like the Zimbabwe farm confiscations, the Irish Potato Famine and the Scottish Highland Clearances. I wonder what sorts of local issues will develop in the coming years from China holding too much land in certain countries.

[Yorkshire pud]

They are. Also, a lot of people were poking fun at the constant alarmist Alex Jones, and others, about foreign troops on our soil. I think their statements are a little "off" but if examined a little closer their theory is thus. Ignore the joint operations, military training programs, the old "School Of Americas", etc, etc. The underlying point is that every student, or most, coming from places like PRC are military as they by law need to undergo military education per Art 55 ""It is a sacred duty of every citizen of the People's Republic of China to defend his or her motherland and resist invasion. It is an honored Obligation of the citizens of the People's Republic of China to perform military service and to join the militia forces."

Isn't the above article pretty much what these 'patriots' playing cowboys in the desert in the USA would advocate? Replace PRC with USA, or as they prefer 'The Republic'... Peoples Republic? Hmmmm. Now, there's a thing eh?

However, I doubt considering the population and economics that really all would undergo military training unlike ROC, S.Korea, or some European countries with better economies and smaller population. But one would think that the "select" who get to leave the mainland and attend US universities, military training, high-tech firms, might have connections to the PLA is more believable.

Chinese students are some of the best educated (certainly the best motivated) in the world today. Their spending power is such that the major stores in the UK (Especially the main tourist traps)are recruiting specifically, staff who can speak Mandarin and Cantonese. The economy on the whole may have peaked (several economists are saying so) and in some cases declining; But the point is the Chinese know what is out there, they have the capabilities and the knowledge to get out there and exploit it.. Wind back a couple of hundred years and you had the British Empire, the industrial revolution, science, medicine.  Britain led the world in everything that was worth knowing; Right up until the first third of the 20th century, then the world it had influenced caught up and in some cases overtook, it's how cyclic things go...It won't be the first time China has spread it's influence throughout the world, it won't be the last.