F*#*@!#~! Religion

[HorrorReporter]

I forget which came first.. animals or man? Animals, right? Didn't Genesis say so? If so.. then snake venom would be human, like paper rock scissors.

[Yorkshire pud]

I forget which came first.. animals or man? Animals, right? Didn't Genesis say so? If so.. then snake venom would be human, like paper rock scissors.

Nope; still non the wiser.

[FightTheFuture]

Huh? I know exactly what kind of damage it can do. It can kill you. I find your definition of courage and strength worrisome. Their book also tells them to stone children to death if they misbehave. If he were to do that would you find that courageous? I find it incredibly narrow-minded and just plain dumb. Leave snakes alone.

Good  grief, why do I bother?

I am not advocating -- nor do I find it religiously compelling at all -- for the handling of serpents, believe me! That is not the freaking point!

All I  am saying is, this man is a religious person, who believed in whatever it is that he believed in.. He stood by those beliefs and put them to the test, along with his life. You don't have to agree with it, I strongly disagree with the course of action he tookin the strongest terms. But, as I said, in an odd way, I admire that level of strength. That's pretty incredible: take the anti venom shot and live without any pain at all, or stand by your beliefs and risk a most agonizing death.

[coaster]

Good  grief, why do I bother?

I am not advocating -- nor do I find it religiously compelling at all -- for the handling of serpents, believe me! That is not the freaking point!

All I  am saying is, this man is a religious person, who believed in whatever it is that he believed in.. He stood by those beliefs and put them to the test, along with his life. You don't have to agree with it, I strongly disagree with the course of action he tookin the strongest terms. But, as I said, in an odd way, I admire that level of strength. That's pretty incredible: take the anti venom shot and live without any pain at all, or stand by your beliefs and risk a most agonizing death.

That is odd.

[FightTheFuture]

And that makes me 'a Nimr

od'? (Apparently as used by Bugs Bunny--Psst, it isn't real) You make a sweeping statement that he knew more about snake venom than anyone on this forum; Just how do you know that? The Christians didn't have a a choice; The Romans used them for sport. Granted Saladin had a bit of a wake up, but this is still far removed from deliberately being bitten and then refuse anti venom. The man was a deluded idiot who has now left his family fatherless.

Psst, nimrod is a rather derogatory slang term that fits you well. However, if you prefer numbskull, nitwit, or any variation thereof, I can accommodate that, as well.


And, please, refrain from trying to recite history.  The early Christians were, for the most part,  tolerated, with the possible exception of Nero. It it was common to offer Christians a choice: forget that Christian stuff, and adopt the Roman gods, serve the Empire and live well with all the accommodations of a Roman citizen, or die in the Coliseum. Well, we know which one they chose, don't we? Well, obvjously you don't.

[Yorkshire pud]

That is odd.

The pastor should have taken FtF handle and altered it to 'Fighting common sense' or 'My future is grim' or 'Future? What future?'

[Yorkshire pud]

Psst, nimrod is a rather derogatory slang term that fits you well. However, if you prefer numbskull, nitwit, or any variation thereof, I can accommodate that, as well.

Oh you have me bang to rights and no mistake. I fall at your superior intellect F t f, no really I do. The shame; I've been outed by a redneck. Oh well.

And, please, refrain from trying to recite history.  The early Christians were, for the most part,  tolerated, with the possible exception of Nero. It it was common to offer Christians a choice: forget that Christian stuff, and adopt the Roman gods, serve the Empire and live well with all the accommodations of a Roman citizen, or die in the Coliseum. Well, we know which one they chose, don't we? Well, obvjously you don't.

History hasn't been your strong point either I seem to recall; Hey I fall down on Roman history, you fall down on everything else, I say we're quits.

[FightTheFuture]

That is odd.

It's odd to admire great strength? Really?

I remember when the Buddhist monks were setting themselves ablaze in Vietnam. I certainly did not agree with their principles, or their methods, but I sure as hell admired their strength of will.

[Yorkshire pud]

It's odd to admire great strength? Really?

No, splitting the infinitive is odd. But I wouldn't know that, I'm a numbskull...Presumably so is Coaster for also spotting it.

. But, as I said, in an odd way, I admire that level of strength. T

Okay: I'll tell you, it should read: Oddly, I admire that level of strength, as I said previously.

[b_dubb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

I like it when there is fighting on the Interwebz.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

FTF your point is not lost on me.  But setting yourself on fire to protest a war and dying because you believe the Invisible Man in the Sky will save you from venom don't strike me as being equal.  The act of self immolation was done knowing the outcome otherwise what would be the point.  The BACF with the fatal snake bite died because he was superstitious and deluded.

I would equate the snake bite preacher right up there with the Christian Science couple that allowed their daughter to die from diabetes because they would not allow her to take insulin. 

[FightTheFuture]

History hasn't been your strong point either I seem to recall; Hey I fall down on Roman history, you fall down on everything else, I say we're quits.

Yeah, actually history is pretty much one of my ''strong points''. If you have even a single redeeming quality, perhaps you could enlighten me sometime.

[coaster]

I would equate the snake bite preacher right up there with the Christian Science couple that allowed their daughter to die from diabetes because they would not allow her to take insulin.

They are such dumb strong people..

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, actually history is pretty much one of my ''strong points''. If you have even a single redeeming quality, perhaps you could enlighten me sometime.

I said F t F; You have me banged to rights. I have been outed by a redneck, so that's ample qualification in anyone's book. To use American parlance (clears throat) I got nuthin.. 

[FightTheFuture]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

I like it when there is fighting on the Interwebz.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod



I would equate the snake bite preacher right up there with the Christian Science couple that allowed their daughter to die from diabetes because they would not allow her to take insulin.

Much different. That preacher did not inflict that kind of willful ignorance upon his own children.

Also, the late preacher had been bitten 8 times prior to this last bite. So, I suppose one could argue that the man had some reason to believe that he would survive this one, as well.

[Camazotz Automat]

I'll meet your "protestant taking up serpents" and raise you one cobra pit cleaner.

Cleaning the cobra pit

[FightTheFuture]

I said F t F; You have me banged to rights. I have been outed by a redneck, so that's ample qualification in anyone's book. To use American parlance (clears throat) I got nuthin.. 

I hereby accept your display of humility as a redeeming quality, and thus, bury the hatchet....sort of.

[onan]

Marching into hell for a heavenly cause, is one thing. And I can see how one would consider the pastor to be of strong faith and conviction.

Either way, it seems a shame. Too many people die for stupid reasons.

I think it is important to not believe everything you think.

[Yorkshire pud]

I hereby accept your display of humility as a redeeming quality, and thus, bury the hatchet....sort of.

Damn, I should have explained. It wasn't humility, it was sarcasm, but you're very magnanimous.

[FightTheFuture]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

I like it when there is fighting on the Interwebz.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

FTF your point is not lost on me.  But setting yourself on fire to protest a war and dying because you believe the Invisible Man in the Sky will save you from venom don't strike me as being equal.  The act of self immolation was done knowing the outcome otherwise what would be the point.  The BACF with the fatal snake bite died because he was superstitious and deluded.

I would equate the snake bite preacher right up there with the Christian Science couple that allowed their daughter to die from diabetes because they would not allow her to take insulin.

P.S. I agree that the example of the Buddhist monks and that of the snake handling preacher is different. However,  again, I am only talking about the level of strength of commitment, the sheer willpower -- no qualifiers -- it takes to follow the course of action taken by each, the monks, and the preacher.

[The General]

I'm not posting in this thread.  Nope.  Not gonna do it.  Nope.  Must resist.

[FightTheFuture]

Damn, I should have explained. It wasn't humility, it was sarcasm, but you're very magnanimous.

Well, you know, it's the Christian thing to do 

[MikeJ]

The man left his children fatherless and his wife without the comfort of a husband. I wish my own dad had the option of saving his life when he checked out when I was a kid. It would have made for a happier childhood.

Too bad he wasn't bitten before he had kids.  I suspect everyone would have been better off, society included.

[Camazotz Automat]

I'm not posting in this thread.  Nope.  Not gonna do it.  Nope.  Must resist.

You can. Yes you can. You can and you will. You can and you will. Even if it's via a neutral cobra pit maneuver.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

All I  am saying is, this man is a religious person, who believed in whatever it is that he believed in.. He stood by those beliefs and put them to the test, along with his life.

There are a few Buddhists guys that die every year from exposure. They meditate under waterfalls in the winter, or nude in the winter to test themselves. This practice is not uncommon, but occasionally someone gets unlucky.

[Juan]

I forget which came first.. animals or man? Animals, right? Didn't Genesis say so? If so.. then snake venom would be human, like paper rock scissors.

Genesis I has the animals first.  Genesis II has Adam first, then the animals, then Eve.
Don't forget the Spock option.  That trumps them all.

[zeebo]

...But, as I said, in an odd way, I admire that level of strength. That's pretty incredible: take the anti venom shot and live without any pain at all, or stand by your beliefs and risk a most agonizing death.

Yeah but in the words of Zaphod Beeblebrox that's "ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking".   :

[zeebo]

There are a few Buddhists guys that die every year from exposure. They meditate under waterfalls in the winter, or nude in the winter to test themselves. This practice is not uncommon, but occasionally someone gets unlucky.

When I visited Nepal many years ago I encountered a guru of sorts that claimed he'd lived on nothing but milk for like fifteen years.  Maybe so, but I bet someone was sneaking him Snickers bars here and there.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

When I visited Nepal many years ago I encountered a guru of sorts that claimed he'd lived on nothing but milk for like fifteen years.  Maybe so, but I bet someone was sneaking him Snickers bars here and there.

If it is true, thats incredible.

[eddie dean]

When I visited Nepal many years ago I encountered a guru of sorts that claimed he'd lived on nothing but milk for like fifteen years.  Maybe so, but I bet someone was sneaking him Snickers bars here and there.

I watched a documentary (I don't remember the name) about a Yogi who claimed he never, ever ate. He said he meditiated for sustenance and charged his followers a fee to teach them his amazing techniques. The producers of the film secretly followed him to a cafe and caught him eating. busted.

[ziznak]

I watched a documentary (I don't remember the name) about a Yogi who claimed he never, ever ate. He said he meditiated for sustenance and charged his followers a fee to teach them his amazing techniques. The producers of the film secretly followed him to a cafe and caught him eating. busted.

I watched a different doc about monks that showed how they would adjust their diet to the extreme of eating like just bark and nuts.  They effectively would starve but then mummify themselves when they reached whatever point in life.  Some of these mummies are still hanging around.