Malachi Martin shows

[ziznak]

yeah i was way off on his appearance count.  His best stuff is the earlier ones tho... I ran them in a loop in my bedroom for torrent testing they were all fine... the SIT recordings are so awesome.  They're like the best quality you can get and then it drops down to like... cassette tapes from the late nineties.
very hard to get a good collection together but.... i have to say willie and company really nailed that shit

[albrecht]

what is the torrent, or link, the complete Malachi Martin archive? I would love to get them all, in their entirety. It seems the ones have are not complete and maybe misnamed date-wise. Thanks to all who have archived, converted cassette tapes, and shared old Art Bell shows!

[ziznak]

Theres gonna be a full AB collection with all of them ready soon.  look for the "final torrent" thread i think?

[albrecht]

Theres gonna be a full AB collection with all of them ready soon.  look for the "final torrent" thread i think?

Ok. Thanks! Look forward to that torrent and a final, complete (or near as we can get it) collection!

[Uncle Duke]

Lastly, what has happened to Kathleen Keating? She seems to have dropped off the map, radio world, and internet??

Keating is the subject of another thread here somewhere, but yes, she is nowhere to be found.  All kinds of kooky theories on what happened, everything from her death (possible), to her capture by the Anti-Christ (not likely).  My personal feeling is she got out of the business after all her doom/gloom prophecies didn't pan out within the period she predicted.  Had she stayed around, she'd have been forced to explain how either God was wrong, the Bible Code was bullshit, and/or she lied.

As I mentioned before, if you like the Martin/Keating shtick, you owe it to yourself to listen to the C2C shows with "Father" Andrew Wingate.  I don't think Art ever had him on, but he was a guest with George on several programs.  Wingate was (is?) a fruit cake, we're talking batshit crazy to the point where even George Noory was stunned.

[albrecht]

Wingate was (is?) a fruit cake, we're talking batshit crazy to the point where even George Noory was stunned.

I will have to find that show. Especially if George was stunned! That means he was actually, at least half-ways, paying attention to what the guest was saying.

Assuming from your avatar you like Hunter. C2C, Dark Weekend, or some program needs to have a show on him and his suspicious death, the alleged pedophile cults he was aware of (some say involved with), some "secrets" of the Iraq War and/or 9/11 he was supposedly working on, his run for sheriff, and just his life and his zany journalism in general. Separate facts from lies, rumors from truth, etc. Though I think he would like all the crazy theories and conspiracies about him and his demise actually.

[Stranger929]

So he could still administer the Sacraments after being relieved of his priestly duties?  It is also unclear if he was relieved of his duties at his request or at the direction of the Church?

Yes he could and it was at his asking.

He explained this in one of the interviews. I've got several of them and listen to them often. He chose his words carefully and if you listen closely you can get a lot more out of those interviews. His 'predictions' weren't that, they were possible outcomes based on his knowledge and they were presented that way, as POSSIBLE outcomes if other qualifying things happened. I've found most of what he said, particularly about the NWO to be right on the money, frighteningly so.

[albrecht]

I've found most of what he said, particularly about the NWO to be right on the money, frighteningly so.

Much of what he also said about the Church also came to past and his interviews on some other shows, and his books, really came to pass or, somewhat, explained the machinations in the Vatican during those times. Especially his analysis of the major powers on earth (paraphrasing here cause I forget exactly) but how he said that the business/corporate was taking over from the government and that the church was, basically, "left-out", of the new system and so was trying to reform to gain back power. But that was secular power and, again paraphrasing, setting it up for failure because that was not it's mission.

[Stranger929]

The ones I have are incomplete also.  Also may be repeats or fucked up dates.  The dates I have are 10/18/96, 11/15/96, 12/13/96, 3/3/97, 4/4/97, 7/11/97, 12/3/97, 5/4/98

I've got all but the 12/13/96 and 3/3/97. I'd love to hear those two. I also have two versions of the 11/15/96 with Ed Dames, I'm not sure how different they are though, I'll have to go back and listen again to see.

[Uncle Duke]

Yes he could and it was at his asking.

He explained this in one of the interviews. I've got several of them and listen to them often. He chose his words carefully and if you listen closely you can get a lot more out of those interviews. His 'predictions' weren't that, they were possible outcomes based on his knowledge and they were presented that way, as POSSIBLE outcomes if other qualifying things happened. I've found most of what he said, particularly about the NWO to be right on the money, frighteningly so.

A number of priests and religious left the RCC after the Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) because they believed the changes brought about by the Council created serious doctrinal contradictions within the church.  (Including the associate pastor of our parish, btw, about the same time then Father Martin left his order.)  If we ignore all the less than honorable material one can find about Martin at various sources, and assume (as if often cited here) he was relieved of his priestly duties due to differences he had with the post-Vatican II church, it makes little sense he was permittted to administer the Sacraments of the Church.  Why would the Vatican allow a former minister (Mr Martin per the church at the time, not Father Martin)  of the Church to perform the most critical, sacred duties entrusted to its priesthood?  Mr. Martin may have said he continued to administer Sacraments, but the question I'd have is whether he was sanctioned by the Church to do so post-1965.  My gut feel is "no".  Can't prove it since the Vatican issued only a short, terse statement regarding Mr Martin's status within the church when questioned.  Of course this issue matters little to all but practicing Catholics, the overwhelming majority who know him from his C2C appearances don't care whether he was Mr. Martin, Dr Martin, Fr Martin, or Uncle Martin.  This is the "I'm spiritual, not religious" crowd who have little knowledge or interest in any particular faith.

I agree with your comments about listening carefully to what Martin said, but the things he didn't say can be equally important.  Although I think we're are talking semantics with regards to the use/non-use of the word "predictions," I will allow many would probably consider what Martin and others issued to be "prophecy" since a good deal of it was claimed to be Biblical in nature.    I also agree Martin was very careful in how he worded his "possible outcomes."  Like most prophets and mystics, he believed no future is definitive, that any and all future events can be changed by prayer.  So, the prophets and mystics give themselves an out from the beginning, if one of their doom/gloom predictions doesn't come about, then clearly God interceded based on the prayers of His people. (Martin was very concerned about Y2K, but since it was a non-event the prayers of the faithful must have worked, right?)  If the worst does happen as projected, it's because the world is evil and God punished His people for not heeding the warnings issued by the likes of Martin, Keating, Wingate, et al.   

The true secret to success for these folks is to not entangle themselves with dates for their predictions, that can bite you in the ass as it did Keating.  Even Ed Dames figured that part out as he explains he can "see" the future only in relative terms, as a series of events and precursors as opposed to a specific date/time.  That's why Dames can simply say "not yet" when he's challenged if certain things he saw have occurred.  "Kill shot?  Not yet, no nuke war in Korea, and no space shuttle taken out by meteors."  Seeing as how the space shuttle fleet has been grounded for good, hard to see how that's going to happen, but hey....

I've had a few folks message me, upset because in their mind I don't like Martin and disrespect him.  The former can't be further from the truth, I think he was one of the the finest guests Art even had on the air.  I even bought one of his books back in the day.  I loved listening to the guy, he was well educated, always had his act together and his story down.  No dead air as he tried to remember what he said previously.  That's great radio.  As for disrespect, I don't see it that way.  In fact I respect the then Father Martin for leaving the Church if he could not abide by its tenets post Vatican II.  Where I had a problem with him was trying to project the authority of the Church  without the responsiblity that should go with it.

[albrecht]

A number of priests and religious left the RCC after the Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) because they believed the changes brought about by the Council created serious doctrinal contradictions within the church.  (Including the associate pastor of our parish, btw, about the same time then Father Martin left his order.) 

Good analysis of modern "prophets" and "remote viewers". Reminds of the Nostradamus expert always on and how Nostradamus "predictions" can be interpreted so widely, due to their vagueness and poetic nature, or even changed to "be correct" on some event that has already occurred. The bad ones or stupid ones make the mistake about predicting an actual future date or specific event, and don't keep their "prophet" jobs or schtick going for very long.

Towards the end of his life Dr.Martin came close to saying almost saying, in effect, "I didn't leave the Church, but it left me" and I was listening to him on another show and he was really pointing out how Vatican II was attempted by church to "be cool" and gain power back into the secular and government world. Instead of focusing on their true mission. He almost, basically, said that some other group will fulfill that original, spiritual mission and that the RCC has chosen to go for secular aims.

[henge0stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubLQzBZi5G8

They are all on youtube. The first one was my favorite. Its all about demons and not as much about the Vatican. All of his appearances were good though.