NY Gov. Cuomo to Right-to-Lifers -- You are not welcome in NY State

[Ben Shockley]

But surely Obama could find someone else to head up the Civil Rights Division?  Couldn't he?

I trust that you have made your Senators aware of your opinion.
If a President has to essentially second-guess his own choices to satisfy EVERY POSSIBLE critique, then what is the point of the Senate confirmation process?

...a president that sics the IRS and various other agencies on his opponents...

Is there any point anymore in asking if you have a shred of evidence on this?

If you don't --P*B, sweetie-- can I ask you nicely to STFU about stuff that exists only in the fevered imaginations of right-wing fanatics..?
Good god, dude: 1) if this stuff is true, why haven't your precious Tea Party Reps. already impeached?, and/or
2) if they don't know this stuff and only you and a small, tuned-in cabal know about the evidence, why haven't you hand-carried the evidence to car-thief Darrell Issa's office?

Seriously, P*B-- I wish I could stage a psychiatric intervention on you in regard to your paranoid obsession.  See, I have a good idea of how you'll explain my questions above: Obama is covering everything up, so no one can investigate enough to get the goods for impeachment!  Right?
But-- then how do you "know" so much about all these transgressions?  Is politics really that much like a pro wrestling match, where the audience (eagle-eyed patriots like you) can see everything the bad guy (the evil DemocRAT "President") does, but the ref (the Congressional opposition party) never can?

Anyway, I'll bet Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon (good riddance) wish (or would have wished) that someone had clued them to these magical executive powers that can stave-off impeachment.  But that kind of thinking is classically paranoid: the conspiracy is so insidious and powerful that there is no proof of the conspiracy; the less evidence, the more confident are people like you that there is a conspiracy!  Right?

[PB the Deplorable]

... Good god, dude: 1) if this stuff is true, why haven't your precious Tea Party Reps. already impeached?...

Seriously, P*B-- I wish I could stage a psychiatric intervention on you in regard to your paranoid obsession.  See, I have a good idea of how you'll explain my questions above: Obama is covering everything up, so no one can investigate enough to get the goods for impeachment!  Right?...

Well, first of all, the Senate is controlled by the D's.  Impeachment wouldn't go anywhere.

Second, The Republican Party is neither Conservative, nor run by the Tea Party.  The Party 'leadership' have no agenda, don't represent anyone, don't make the case for anything.  Look how easily Boehner and McConnell are for Obama to roll.  He's gotten everything he's asked for from Congress - regardless of Big Media telling us everything has been blocked.  They talk big for a few days as a sop to their constituents, then attack the Tea Party and roll over.

If you've been paying attention, you've noticed the Republican so-called leadership has fought the Tea Party members harder than they've fought against Obama.  It's the RINO's seats the Tea Party is focusing on - in the Primaries.

How many Tea Party members are there?  Less than 2 dozen in the House (although maybe half the House R's on a good day are Conservative), just a handful in the Senate.  And they are supposed to Impeach Obama?  They can't even get Boehner to hold hearings on Obama's shabby activities.

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh god, are you still under the impression this guy is something other than a Marxist radical? 

Quite apart from you not addressing directly what Onan asked, you wouldn't know a Marxist radical if he or she stood in front of you with a neon sign pinned to his or her head. Obama is not, never has been nor likely to be one. To think that demonstrates the insular and chronic ignorance that many outside the USA believe most Americans suffer from. You know the irony in that? The irony is that the many on here who have a broad and comprehensive outlook of outside the USA outnumber the ones who think the USA is the centre of the Universe and that Obama has singularly been instrumental in unravelling that perception.  If you want to read up on a truly radical Marxist, I suggest you look at this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Scargill

Politically I don't agree with pretty much anything he stands for; but he was right about why Thatcher closed the mines. It was political rather than economic, and lo and behold, we now import coal from countries that have no concerns about the safety and welfare of the poor buggers who dig it out. You might not agree with unions; But the NUM were at the forefront in making sure the pits could be as safe as possible.

Scargill has an eidetic memory too; I've seen TV debates with politicians (both left and right) and he's destroyed them on historical fact.

Obama is not anything like Scargill, not even close. It won't stop you carrying on this false and pointless pigeon holing though. He's not 'us' so he 'must' be that:'That' being a Marxist, sky, sky, whatsit, Leninist, whatsit anti American whatsit. Without actually knowing what any of that means, it's just a label of convenience.

[PB the Deplorable]

... you wouldn't know a Marxist radical if he or she stood in front of you with a neon sign pinned to his or her head. Obama is not, never has been nor likely to be one. To think that demonstrates the insular and chronic ignorance that many outside the USA believe most Americans suffer from. You know the irony in that? The irony is that the many on here who have a broad and comprehensive outlook of outside the USA outnumber the ones who think the USA is the centre of the Universe and that Obama has singularly been instrumental in unravelling that perception.  If you want to read up on a truly radical Marxist, I suggest you look at this guy...

Well, let's see, based on some of your perceptions about what's going on here in the US (especially) or elsewhere in the world, I take it as a bit of a compliment for you to say I'm not on the same page as you.  Broad and comprehensive?  You are up on some current political events, but seem to have no sense of history, or how things got to where they are now in these places, or really anything much beyond just what you see in todays headlines. 


As for Obama - he spent  20  years at that church in Chicago run by the 'Rev; Wright  It was a Black Liberation Theology church.  Do you know what that means?  It means it's Marxist, and Racist.  And anti-American.  During the 2008 campaign, did you not hear the various audio clips of the 'Rev' Wright that were circulating?   Anti-white, anti-capitalist, anti-American.

You want to know who did hear the tapes?  Obama and his team heard them.  He then threw the 'Rev' Wright under the bus and said in his 20 years attendance he hadn't heard any of it.   Sure.

Or how about his other mentor, 60s domestic terrorist Bill Ayres, an avowed Marxist.  Under the bus with him too.  'Just a guy I knew in the neighborhood', except it turns out they are BFFs.  No, he's not a radical - just the other day he said we need to toss our Constitution and start over.  Thanks but no thanks, Bill.

Or Obama's team of Red Diaper Babies - Valerie Jarrett, David Axlerod, David Plouffe.  These are his closest advisors.  He brought them from Chicago.  They each have a history - you can look them up.  And that's not even getting into Frank Davis, the early mentor during his Hawaii years.

The difference between the European Marxists and Obama is the ones you are used to are proud of it and don't try to hide it.

I realize the people who voted for this menace are not ever going to admit they were wrong.  I also get that Old Europe is a Socialist basket case, so to you Obama looks like just another politician.   But not here.


And what does any of that have to do with me or anyone else thinking the US is at the center of the universe?  I'm going to guess that's your way of trying to belittle anyone who sees Obama for what he is, and says so?

[Yorkshire pud]

Essentially what you're saying is that anyone, any politician has ever had any contact with (no matter who) will by default take on that persons beliefs, wisdom and/or political leanings?

Would that extend to the Bush family with Bin Laden?

But back to Marxism. It is what it is; It's exactly the same if it's in Russia, Central America or wherever. Tell me; When has Obama proclaimed that 'the workers' should be in control of the means of production? That government should be dismantled and have no elitism of any description. That everyone no matter what their occupation should be paid about the same. No matter if they sweep the streets or are a neuro surgeon. When has he ordered the establishing of collectives that are self sufficient and answer to no-one but themselves?

I'm taking a punt at never. But that is the fundamental Marxist philosophy.

As for your constitution having an overhaul; Yeah why not? Drag it into at least the twentieth century (21st might give the bible belt too many heart attacks to cope with) and (gasp) this time involve women's views in the revival..You told me that that's what amendments are for PB...so what's wrong with Obama (or any other President) making such a proposal? What exactly are you scared of? Or is living as the world was understood by a few men 250 years ago the way forward?

[PB the Deplorable]

Well, if I give you quotes, we'll have people saying he meant something else.  If I give you his long list of contemptible appointees, someone else would claim he can't be held responsible or expected to satisfy everyone.  If I give you the list of people who were his mentors and who he surrounds himself with now, well, that's guilt by association.

No, he isn't going to stand on a street corner with a red 'C' on is forehead selling the World Daily.  No, he isn't going to have a televised news conference from the Oval Office stating that as of today he is decreeing everything seized, dismantled and redistributed. 

Instead, he's working in the shadows - purging the military and hollowing it out, seizing powers he does not have under the Constitution, harassing his enemies with indictments and IRS investigations, setting up a police state with the domestic spying and the militarization of the police, aiding our enemies - throwing in with the Moslem Brotherhood (Egypt, Libya) and al-Qaeda (Syria)when he can, showing weakness to less than friendly nations (Iran, China, Russia), and giving the cold shoulder to our allies. 

There is plenty more, but since it all falls on deaf ears, may as well stop there.

Exactly what a disciple from 'Rev' Wrights church would be expected to do given the chance - under the radar of most Americans, aided by his accomplices in the Media.

Who the hell knows what he's doing with his dozens of illegal 'czars'.  We hear nothing about them at all, which can't be good.  Is it unreasonable to assume they are chewing away like a bunch of termites?

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, if I give you quotes, we'll have people saying he meant something else.  If I give you his long list of contemptible appointees, someone else would claim he can't be held responsible or expected to satisfy everyone.  If I give you the list of people who were his mentors and who he surrounds himself with now, well, that's guilt by association.

No, he isn't going to stand on a street corner with a red 'C' on is forehead selling the World Daily.  No, he isn't going to have a televised news conference from the Oval Office stating that as of today he is decreeing everything seized, dismantled and redistributed. 

Instead, he's working in the shadows - purging the military and hollowing it out, seizing powers he does not have under the Constitution, harassing his enemies with indictments and IRS investigations, setting up a police state with the domestic spying and the militarization of the police, aiding our enemies - throwing in with the Moslem Brotherhood (Egypt, Libya) and al-Qaeda (Syria)when he can, showing weakness to less than friendly nations (Iran, China, Russia), and giving the cold shoulder to our allies. 

But none of the above makes him a Marxist!! It doesn't. None of it is the philosophy of Marxism.

There is plenty more, but since it all falls on deaf ears, may as well stop there.

Exactly what a disciple from 'Rev' Wrights church would be expected to do given the chance - under the radar of most Americans, aided by his accomplices in the Media.

Who the hell knows what he's doing with his dozens of illegal 'czars'.  We hear nothing about them at all, which can't be good.  Is it unreasonable to assume they are chewing away like a bunch of termites?

The irony of course a Czar was a King; the antithesis of Marxism. He might be a bureaucrat, he might even be autocratic in parts, but he's no different to any other western leader.  That doesn't make him a Marxist.

[NowhereInTime]

Instead, he's working in the shadows  - purging the military and hollowing it out, seizing powers he does not have under the Constitution, harassing his enemies with indictments and IRS investigations, setting up a police state with the domestic spying and the militarization of the police, aiding our enemies - throwing in with the Moslem Brotherhood (Egypt, Libya) and al-Qaeda (Syria)when he can, showing weakness to less than friendly nations (Iran, China, Russia), and giving the cold shoulder to our allies. 

There is plenty more, but since it all falls on deaf ears, may as well stop there.

If only you'd stopped sooner.

"Working in the shadows" may have been about the most incredulous thing you've ever said, and that's saying a heap given your latest rant.

"Look over there, that dark fellow lurking (and, apparently, working) in the shadows - he's undermining America!!"

[PB the Deplorable]

But none of the above makes him a Marxist!! It doesn't. None of it is the philosophy of Marxism...

You've made plenty of assumptions and assertions based on your observations about these politicians motives.  We all have.  But for some reason unless Obama confesses, we're all supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt on everything that comes up.  That's fine if that's what you want to do, but I trust my ability to analyze events and situations.

It's like Ben coming here and insisting - with no facts or evidence - Obama's opponents are a bunch of racists, but when we come to some conclusions about Obama's comments or actions, he demands proof.

[NowhereInTime]

You've made plenty of assumptions and assertions based on your observations about these politicians motives.  We all have.  But for some reason unless Obama confesses, we're all supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt on everything that comes up.  That's fine if that's what you want to do, but I trust my ability to analyze events and situations.

It's like Ben coming here and insisting - with no facts or evidence - Obama's opponents are a bunch of racists, but when we come to some conclusions about Obama's comments or actions, he demands proof.

Yes, like the "facts" you present of Obama "working in the shadows" siccing the IRS on you poor, defenseless conservatives.
C'mon, P*B.  Fastball's about two feet short today.

[Yorkshire pud]

You've made plenty of assumptions and assertions based on your observations about these politicians motives.  We all have.  But for some reason unless Obama confesses, we're all supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt on everything that comes up.  That's fine if that's what you want to do, but I trust my ability to analyze events and situations.

Right; So unless Obama admits to being a Marxist, you have no evidence whatsoever he is one? I get it..  :

[Birdie]

I thought this was both interesting and consistent with what I have personally witnessed in friends who identify as TP.
It concludes that people who strongly identify with the TP become more concerned with their racial identity over time. The study seems straight forward, despite the blogger's lefty presentation of it.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2013/07/heres-shocker-new-study-finds-that.html

[PB the Deplorable]

Right; So unless Obama admits to being a Marxist, you have no evidence whatsoever he is one? I get it..  :

So I guess we won't be hearing more from you about how 'right-wing' your newspapers are, based on nothing more than who their absentee owners are?

[Yorkshire pud]

So I guess we won't be hearing more from you about how 'right-wing' your newspapers are, based on nothing more than who their absentee owners are?

Oh, the ownership's presence or absenteeism is less relevant than what their rags publish. I'd say that's pretty conclusive wouldn't you? Getting back to Obama though: You claim he's a Marxist, yet he's not ever proclaimed anything that Marx advocated. But apparently you've witnessed these 'Marxist' moves.
I ask again, when has Obama or any US politician advocated the workers control of means of production? When has he suggested equal pay no matter what the job? When has he suggested free collectives who answer to no-one but themselves and are freed of the government intervention? (A tenet that you in fact advocate)..Wanting him to be a Marxist doesn't make him so.

[PB the Deplorable]

I've seen posters say these threads don't accomplish a thing and are a waste of breath.  I've also had those thoughts sometimes, but not for long.

For example, I've wondered how Rome fell and why didn't people recognize what was going on, stop the collapse, and reverse it.  Or what normally intelligent people were thinking in Phnom Penh right up until they found themselves marched into the rice paddies. 

These posts supporting the 'Progressives' and Obama are helping me figure out what those mindsets were, and how things just continued on to their conclusion in those places and others.

[Yorkshire pud]

I've seen posters say these threads don't accomplish a thing and are a waste of breath.  I've also had those thoughts sometimes, but not for long.

For example, I've wondered how Rome fell and why didn't people recognize what was going on, stop the collapse, and reverse it.  Or what normally intelligent people were thinking in Phnom Penh right up until they found themselves marched into the rice paddies. 

These posts supporting the 'Progressives' and Obama are helping me figure out what those mindsets were, and how things just continued on in those places and others.

Where have I said I support Obama? Where can you show he's a Marxist? There you are PB: two very simple questions.

[FightTheFuture]

Only a complete fool would categorically deny the possibility of Obama being a Marxist. I have no idea what lies in his heart from moment to moment -- no one does. However, when one considers Obama`s history and his own words, it`s virtually impossible for any rational person not to conclude he very well may be a Marxist/communist.

[NowhereInTime]

Only a complete fool would categorically deny the possibility of Obama being a Marxist. I have no idea what lies in his heart from moment to moment -- no one does. However, when one considers Obama`s history and his own words, it`s virtually impossible for any rational person not to conclude he very well may be a Marxist/communist.

Except he promoted and administered the TARP bailout of your big banks and GM.  The government has divested itself of GM shares and as to the banks, well, Comrade, tell me how shackled and fettered by the state they are now? They use Dodd-Frank as toilet paper.

[FightTheFuture]

Except he promoted and administered the TARP bailout of your big banks and GM.  The government has divested itself of GM shares and as to the banks, well, Comrade, tell me how shackled and fettered by the state they are now? They use Dodd-Frank as toilet paper.

You mean the UAW (the proletariat in Marxist parlance) gift bailout? Please. You really want to go there?


Oh, and as far as being divested? Well, sort of; the taxpayer have lost billions of dollars on this "deal".

[Yorkshire pud]

You mean the UAW (the proletariat in Marxist parlance) gift bailout? Please. You really want to go there?


Oh, and as far as being divested? Well, sort of; the taxpayer have lost billions of dollars on this "deal".

PB got stuck so I'll ask you instead (although I doubt you'll give a straight answer:)

What has Obama said that would promote, propagate or endorse Marxism (That's, Marxism) as an economic, societal and administrative alternative to current US infrastructure?

[FightTheFuture]

PB got stuck so I'll ask you instead (although I doubt you'll give a straight answer:)

What has Obama said that would promote, propagate or endorse Marxism (That's, Marxism) as an economic, societal and administrative alternative to current US infrastructure?

The reverse would be far more appropriate; Explain why Obama should not be considered a Marxist?

If only you had invested even a modicum of time in research of Obama`s past,  I am confident you`d understand.

[Yorkshire pud]

The reverse would be far more appropriate; Explain why Obama should not be considered a Marxist?

If only you had invested even a modicum of time in research of Obama`s past,  I am confident you`d understand.

I was right, you can't give a straight answer!

First rule of prosecution: It is beholden on the accuser to prove his case. Your standpoint is along the lines of conspiracy theorists saying that we've been visited by aliens, but can't prove it. So ask for multiple pieces of evidence to prove their self made 'proof' wrong; And even then, after being presented with pages of it, they still want more.

You see your problem? You can't point to a single utterance where Obama has advocated Marxist theory be put in place in the USA. Not one.

[FightTheFuture]

I was right, you can't give a straight answer!

First rule of prosecution: It is beholden on the accuser to prove his case. Your standpoint is along the lines of conspiracy theorists saying that we've been visited by aliens, but can't prove it. So ask for multiple pieces of evidence to prove their self made 'proof' wrong; And even then, after being presented with pages of it, they still want more.

You see your problem? You can't point to a single utterance where Obama has advocated Marxist theory be put in place in the USA. Not one.

Why do I even waste my time? That`s the question I always ask myself whenever I wade into this swamp to respond to one of your inane assumptions. And now you think you`re Atticus Finch, for God`s sake. Unbelievable.

Obviously, you haven`t the slightest notion what makes Obama tick. Whatever. I`m going to be very concise.

Obama`s parents were Marxist/communists. He was raised by his communist grandparents, after his commie mommy sent him to Hawaii from Indonesia because her new Beau wasn`t "red" enough for her tastes, and thus didn`t want young Barry exposed to such moderate views.

His mentor -- hand picked by his communist gramps -- was a communist. Obama sought out communists, while in school, to "hang out" with. He was schooled by a communist, joined communist organisations, attended a black liberation theology -- which incorporates the tennents of Marxism -- based church for 20 years. Obama taught Alinsky (known communist) principles to fellow radicals, even following in Alinsky`s footsteps as a Chicago community organizer. In fact, Alinsky`s son was so impressed with obama, he even wrote a letter to the Boston Globe following the 2008 Democratic national Convention: "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well."

Now, anybody with room temperature IQ and above, knows full well that you can`t get elected dog catcher as an openly Marxist/communist/socialist candidate...with the exception of Vermont. That`s why Obama was very careful to play down all his many Marxist/commie connections and associations. Ayers was just a guy from his neighborhood, Frank Marshall Davis just a family friend. You won`t hear much about the times Obama campaigned for the pro-Sharia, Marxist Raila Odinga, who graduated from East Germany’s Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, which was the birthplace of Obama’s father. Odinga and Obama were nearly inseparable throughout his six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Obama spoke on behalf of Odinga at numerous rallies. Obama admits that one of his close friends was Rashid Khalidi, who was the President of Columbia University's Communist Party and a former spokesperson for the PLO. Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama is a militant Marxist Muslim who has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shari'a law. Barack calls his brother "the person who made me proudest of all.". Of his own communist mother, he says, "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics".

Then there`s Obama`s own words. He has publicly stated that the Civil Rights movement of the 60`s didn`t go nearly far enough, that they should have persisted until forced wealth redistribution was the law of the land. He has on numerous occasions -- prior to his 2008 DNC nomination, that is -- advocated for single- payer healthcare. In other words, total government control of all healthcare for over 300 million citizens, and God knows how many illegals. His speeches always include catch phrases like "economic justice","economic fairnes","fundamental change", etc.

I could go on and on and on..believe me. But i did say I was going to be concise.

[West of the Rockies]

Over and over, I am stunned at how absolutely differently people here see things...  Obama a Marxist radical?  All I know is that a shitload of self-identified liberals are more than a little disappointed in his administration because he has been so centrist.  Banks and big business remain well-protected.  Contrary to the belief of those on the fringe, Obama has not "come for our guns".  Science and the environment and education don't appear to my eyes to have received a whole lot of attention from this administration.  He has NOT suggested anything radical to address global warming (a real scientific issue in the world of we libs).  We still have Bush's turd of a law NCLB.  We still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gitmo remains open, Cheney and company were not prosecuted for any laws they broke while in power.

But some still think Obama is flipping through his tattered copy of Das Kapital, tossing out black power salutes, and generally bringing ruin to all things good.

None of us will convince the other side that our opinions are wrong, that our "evidence" is anything but perfect, that the media is on our side/dead-set against us.

Here is what I wonder about more and more though:  what has caused this polarization in this country?  Personally, I am going to point my finger directly at argutainment, BIG AM Talk Radio, nattering nabobs of negativity all.  Divide and conquer.

[FightTheFuture]

Over and over, I am stunned at how absolutely differently people here see things...  Obama a Marxist radical?  All I know is that a shitload of self-identified liberals are more than a little disappointed in his administration because he has been so centrist.  Banks and big business remain well-protected.  Contrary to the belief of those on the fringe, Obama has not "come for our guns".  Science and the environment and education don't appear to my eyes to have received a whole lot of attention from this administration.  He has NOT suggested anything radical to address global warming (a real scientific issue in the world of we libs).  We still have Bush's turd of a law NCLB.  We still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gitmo remains open, Cheney and company were not prosecuted for any laws they broke while in power.

But some still think Obama is flipping through his tattered copy of Das Kapital, tossing out black power salutes, and generally bringing ruin to all things good.

None of us will convince the other side that our opinions are wrong, that our "evidence" is anything but perfect, that the media is on our side/dead-set against us.

Here is what I wonder about more and more though:  what has caused this polarization in this country?  Personally, I am going to point my finger directly at argutainment, BIG AM Talk Radio, nattering nabobs of negativity all.  Divide and conquer.

Seriously, do you expect the man to wave his Che Guevara pennant? You know, the same one he had on his campaign office. Of course not! He`s doing what he can. He knows full well that this sham of a bill -- the ACA -- is merely a pretext to single-payer. He`s loading the Justice Dept. down with far left attorneys, and the courts with the farthest left judges he can find. He basically handed GM over o the UAW with the help of $26B OF THE TAXPAYER`S MONEY.

He`s HACKING AWAY at the coal industry with the long arm o the EPA (As you recall, he said publicly "any coal burning power plant would have to be bankrupted") is that leftist enough for you?I could go on.

He`s setting the table. Unfortunately for him, he lost the House. Thank God, because that is the only thing that has slowed him down.

[West of the Rockies]

FTF, I could say the same basic thing about Bush:  he weighed down our judicial system with far-right radicals; he did everything he could to gut consumer protection and the environment, he...

But all you will hear is probably blah-blah-blah.  And that is my point.  Neither of us sees any truth in what each other says.  We probably never will.  I think we could sit down, have a beer and a helluva time.  But when politics come up, it would be bitter disagreement. 

Why do you think things have become so polarized in this country?  I am genuinely curious. (Or maybe you don't see things as polarized.  I don't want to assume anything or put words in your mouth, but maybe you see Americans as mostly good and honest and hard-working except for everyone/anyone who votes Democratic -- such people, by definition, would have to basically be, what, stupid, dishonest, lazy, fill-in the next six adjectives.

[Yorkshire pud]

the pro-Sharia, Marxist Raila Odinga, who graduated from East Germany’s Magdeburg University in 1970...Abongo "Roy" Obama is a militant Marxist Muslim

I have to say, you almost had me reeled in til I read that. I know Muslims. They're as far from communism and Marxism as you could possibly imagine. There is no way they would propagate a workers control of means of production (They're fundamentally capitalists), They wouldn't ever see a time where they all get paid the same for disparate jobs, not a chance. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, UEA, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Algeria, these are Marxist states? All Muslim.

Obama has nearly another two years to go. Presumably if he was so hell bent on this Marxist takeover, he'd have begun back in 2008 or so? How many collective farms has he established? How many corporate companies have been taken over by the government, redistributed to the population and their former boards of directors guillotined in front of the Washington memorial? Roughly? In round figures? How many surgeons have been told that they'll be earning the same as the street cleaners? Roughly?

advocated for single- payer healthcare. In other words, total government control of all healthcare for over 300 million citizen

Yeah; we have it, we're under a commie government too, oh hang on, no we're not, The PM deputy PM, Chancellor and most of the cabinet all went to public (Privately educated) school, where a  year costs upwards of $30000. MOST of the cabinet are millionaires, most have never even had a proper job. Yeah, commies all of em.

[FightTheFuture]

Why do you think things have become so polarized in this country?  I am genuinely curious. (Or maybe you don't see things as polarized.  I don't want to assume anything or put words in your mouth, but maybe you see Americans as mostly good and honest and hard-working except for everyone/anyone who votes Democratic -- such people, by definition, would have to basically be, what, stupid, dishonest, lazy, fill-in the next six adjectives.

No question about it; we have become far too polarized. Why? I`m not really sure. However, I think there is a correlation to be drawn between the advent of the "information age" and the level of acrimony we currently see in politics. Perhaps before we had access to the sum total of all information in the universe by merely clicking a computer mouse, we were blissfully ignorant.

[West of the Rockies]

Ah, I think you make a very good point here, FTF, as to why we are now so polarized.  Yes, instant access to information (and misinformation) certainly has changed things.  We read far fewer books, too.  I heard a very compelling thing on NPR a few years ago.  According to the researchers interviewed, the average American college student had a vocabulary of 150,000 words in 1950.  The same study was done in 2005 -- the average college student that year had a vocabulary of 75,000 words:  exactly half! 

What happened in those intervening years?  Well, 1950 was also the first year when the average American home included a television set.  Coincidence?  We report, you decide!

[FightTheFuture]

Ah, I think you make a very good point here, FTF, as to why we are now so polarized.  Yes, instant access to information (and misinformation) certainly has changed things.  We read far fewer books, too.  I heard a very compelling thing on NPR a few years ago.  According to the researchers interviewed, the average American college student had a vocabulary of 150,000 words in 1950.  The same study was done in 2005 -- the average college student that year had a vocabulary of 75,000 words:  exactly half! 

What happened in those intervening years?  Well, 1950 was also the first year when the average American home included a television set.  Coincidence?  We report, you decide!

Makes me wonder what things will be like 50 years from now. I don`t know about you, but I`m not very optimistic. That`s when my religious faith prevents me from hanging myself in my garage.