Duck Dynasty shitstorm

[DanTSX]

Or a&e is principled. Perhaps duck dynasty will become no more and reform on fox or someplace where homophobic propaganda is more readily acceptable.  Oh and freedom of speech of course.

They said something homophobic, not something damning
Of homosexuals.  He spoke about the position his religion took on homosexuals.  He didn't say that he wanted all gays to get aids and die or anything. 

Is it ignorant?  Depends on your view.  Is it reality?  You betcha.  Part of being tolerant is tolerating other views provided they are not hurting anyone.  Nobody watched this show and went out, found a homosexual, tied him up to a fence and left him for dead on a ranch road somehwere

I think this is really a whole lot of nothing.  But it makes good news because all this dude is going to do is dig a deeper hole if he tried to defend himself.

[DanTSX]

I still can't believe the show, or almost any show today, has any viewers...

I blame Jerry Springer - that asshole started the entire glorification of dirtbags fad.

springer had real dirtbags.  I don't consider these guys dirtbags.  Just easy targets now that there is blood in the water

[Sambo]

They said something homophobic, not something damning
Of homosexuals.  He spoke about the position his religion took on homosexuals.  He didn't say that he wanted all gays to get aids and die or anything. 

Is it ignorant?  Depends on your view.  Is it reality?  You betcha.  Part of being tolerant is tolerating other views provided they are not hurting anyone.  Nobody watched this show and went out, found a homosexual, tied him up to a fence and left him for dead on a ranch road somehwere

I think this is really a whole lot of nothing.  But it makes good news because all this dude is going to do is dig a deeper hole if he tried to defend himself.

Question I have is how to you promote this as an example of tolerance? 

[Quick Karl]

springer had real dirtbags.  I don't consider these guys dirtbags.  Just easy targets now that there is blood in the water

I actually didn't mean to imply that the Robertson's are dirt bags, but I watched the show once, and I have no clue what people get from it - but its a free country, I think!

[Designx]

Looks like the show might end up on The Blaze if they accept Glenn Becks offer. I've never seen the show myself and have no interest in it.

[Sambo]

You're a big a&e exec. and you are in charge of PR. People are outraged, too many letters to count, threats of boycotting, advertisers threatening to pull out ........

[DanTSX]

Question I have is how to you promote this as an example of tolerance?

I don't promote it as an example of anything other than his religion's take on homosexuality.

When was TV about promoting tolerance.  The media loves the uproar. 

If you want to get uppity about people not thinking how you want them to think about homosexuals, why are we not talking about the Middle East or other societies that kill or main homosexuals.

I don't think that our society rejects homosexuality but it certainly has no reason to endorse it.

[DanTSX]

I actually didn't mean to imply that the Robertson's are dirt bags, but I watched the show once, and I have no clue what people get from it - but its a free country, I think!

Joy of seeing what they perceive as dumb rednecks doing ignorant redneck shit

(Yet they have more money, savvy, and great families).  While the people hating on them do not.

[DanTSX]

You're a big a&e exec. and you are in charge of PR. People are outraged, too many letters to count, threats of boycotting, advertisers threatening to pull out ........

Step 1:  fire the guy that didn't catch this in editing
Step 2: damage control
Step 3:  new show about Jewish homosexual men taking in foster boys and running a dog grooming saloon in a seaside Victorian home they are renovating.

[Quick Karl]

Joy of seeing what they perceive as dumb rednecks doing ignorant redneck shit

(Yet they have more money, savvy, and great families).  While the people hating on them do not.

I don't hate them, I just don't get the show - but there are LOTS of shows I don't get.

I miss Cosmos, even though it was dumbed down...

[Quick Karl]

When was TV about promoting tolerance.

The larger question is when did "tolerance" become absolute, and skewed only to the left's agenda?

[bateman]

Step 1:  fire the guy that didn't catch this in editing
Step 2:  damage control
Step 3:  new show about Jewish homosexual men taking in foster boys and running a dog grooming saloon in a seaside Victorian home they are renovating.

It wasn't on the show, it was in a GQ interview the guy did.

I would watch step 3.

Step 4:  PROFIT

[aldousburbank]

The larger question is when did "tolerance" become absolute, and skewed only to the left's agenda?

Oversteered to the left after Reagan.  Drugs and/or alcohol may have been involved.

[DanTSX]

The larger question is when did "tolerance" become absolute, and skewed only to the left's agenda?

Tolerance means that nobody is perfect and views collide

This is why I don't get too bent out of shape with snarky comments from atheists of the constant stream of anti-catholic jokes that people say as if on cue.

There has to be room for understanding provided there is tollerance for the other views

[DanTSX]

Oversteered to the left after Reagan.  Drugs and/or alcohol may have been involved.

Oversteered indeed.  Perhaps the most descriptive single word I've ever heard for the political reaction
Same happened after bush Jr

[Quick Karl]

Tolerance means that nobody is perfect and views collide

This is why I don't get too bent out of shape with snarky comments from atheists of the constant stream of anti-catholic jokes that people say as if on cue.

There has to be room for understanding provided there is tollerance for the other views

I do not presently have a religious belief - but I was raised in a Roman Catholic orphanage just outside NYC - no one ever molested me, and to this day, those Franciscan Sisters, Brothers, and Priests, are the flat out best people I've ever met in my life, and my Jesuit teachers, were fucking serious...

They took in the poor and the dirty, and treated them with dignity and respect, and emphasized the importance of education. I wish I had listened more

[FightTheFuture]

Or a&e is principled. Perhaps duck dynasty will become no more and reform on fox or someplace where homophobic propaganda is more readily acceptable.  Oh and freedom of speech of course.

The A&E network is perfectly within their rights to suspend Phil Robertson from the show. However, I think they are going to regret that decision. The show, Duck Dynasty, has  resonated with viewers like few other TV shows ever have, and thus, it has become a money-making juggernaut.

To accuse Phil of being a ''homophobe'' is not accurate. He doesn't have a fear of homosexuals, he just expressed his opinion -- rather graphically -- of their sexual preferences.  Most heterosexuals would probably agree with his assessment.

He also expressed his opinion,  as it pertains to their status with the Almighty, based on his Christian values.

The gay lobby knee-jerks at the slightest whiff of an anti-gay remark and demands the immediate exile of whomever dares to express a personal opinion not inline with their own. It's a damn shame that A&E, having sought out the Robertson family  to produce a network show, and having known fully what this great family is about, still acquiesced to the tiniest ripple of the PC crowd, and suspended Phil from his own show.

[Sambo]

The larger question is when did "tolerance" become absolute, and skewed only to the left's agenda?

Because the right doesn't want the gays, blacks, and women to have equal rights and freedoms?  Because someone in power knows that there's a huge population of people that you can steer in to any political ideology you wish to form and would like to enlighten them a little bit (or at least steer) out of their microscopicly narrow minded impulses?

I guess I'm spewing nonsense now but you do realize that without some influence from the so called left we'd probably have taken Hilter's methods by now and amplified them ten fold? Every dystopian depiction of corporate totalitarianism would have become truth, and we'd be resequencing our DNA a dozen times a day while constantly being hooked up to oxygen while wearing our UV suits?

I mean obviously I'm talking nonsense but isn't the right just a bunch of nimby'ist lap dogs for corporate slavery until they barely own the shirt on their back?

[Mind Flayer Monk]

People are fired all the time for showing lack of good judgement or offending customers.

[Quick Karl]

Because the right doesn't want the gays, blacks, and women to have equal rights and freedoms?  Because someone in power knows that there's a huge population of people that you can steer in to any political ideology you wish to form and would like to enlighten them a little bit out of their microscopicly narrow minded impulses?

I guess I'm spewing nonsense now but you do realize that without some influence from the so called left we'd probably have taken Hilter's methods by now and amplified them ten fold? Every dystopian depiction of corporate totalitarianism would have become truth, and we'd be resequencing our DNA a dozen times a day while constantly being hooked up to oxygen while wearing our UV suits?

I mean obviously I'm talking nonsense but isn't the right just a bunch of lap dogs for corporate slavery?

Dude, whatever you are smoking, you need to stop, NOW.

[Sambo]

I just decided to let the shit flow. Because other than fiscal principles and a strong sense of constitution (a tenuous assumption on my part), I dont understand what the right is? I dont even understand what the left are really, but I favor the left a little more seeing as the left can pretty much take claim to all and any social progress

[Quick Karl]

I just decided to let the shit flow. Because other than fiscal principles and a strong sense of constitution (a tenuous assumption on my part), I dont understand what the right is? I dont even understand what the left are really, but I favor the left a little more seeing as the left can pretty much take claim to all and any social progress

So, no social progress was made in the last 6000-years of written human history, until the left came along?

I have to get to bed but it has truly been a pleasure contrasting ideas with you. You seem reasonable, and willing to contemplate.

[Sambo]

When did the left come along?  When people wanted to stop working 80+ hours a week for their landlords 250 years ago?

Goodnight

[DanTSX]

I just decided to let the shit flow. Because other than fiscal principles and a strong sense of constitution (a tenuous assumption on my part), I dont understand what the right is? I dont even understand what the left are really, but I favor the left a little more seeing as the left can pretty much take claim to all and any social progress

One man's social progress is another man's social degradation...... But that is not really a left/right ideal in itself.

But conservatives don't always have a social agenda per-say.  The idea being that social agendas often slow, beurocritize and otherwise turn what should be a natural process of inclusion and ownership of the American system into one that is artificially segregated and divided on a few politically conveniences.   

Conservatives believe that social progress is made by making the same opportunities available for all, favoring no one, and judging people based on contribution to community, family, and individual achievement.   

It is a slower process, but a better long play.   

[DanTSX]

When did the left come along?  When people wanted to stop working 80+ hours a week for their landlords 250 years ago?

Goodnight

I don't think you can compare that to contemporary politics.

Conservatives stand for a lot more than cigar-chomping bigwigs that dine on the sinew of dirty poor people.

The people working in factories at the time had very little information and not too many political choices.  They just wanted to have time with their families and not to have their 7 year old kid die unjamming a machine.  If you started asking them if homosexuals should be able to marry, they probably would had tossed you into one of those machines.

[Sambo]

I don't think you can compare that to contemporary politics.

Conservatives stand for a lot more than cigar-chomping bigwigs that dine on the sinew of dirty poor people.

What is it then?

How is it that some of the richest and most elite are representing dems and conservatives alike, and they get all sorts of kickbacks and perks from their lobbying friends, and invest in companies that have influence over said politician and vice versa.  I mean if it looks like dems are taking over maybe it's because everyone has been bought out and only social progress squeaks past. The conservatives have little to do but start wars and talk shit.

[FallenSeraph]

The A&E network is perfectly within their rights to suspend Phil Robertson from the show. However, I think they are going to regret that decision. The show, Duck Dynasty, has  resonated with viewers like few other TV shows ever have, and thus, it has become a money-making juggernaut.

To accuse Phil of being a ''homophobe'' is not accurate. He doesn't have a fear of homosexuals, he just expressed his opinion -- rather graphically -- of their sexual preferences.  Most heterosexuals would probably agree with his assessment.

He also expressed his opinion,  as it pertains to their status with the Almighty, based on his Christian values.

The gay lobby knee-jerks at the slightest whiff of an anti-gay remark and demands the immediate exile of whomever dares to express a personal opinion not inline with their own. It's a damn shame that A&E, having sought out the Robertson family  to produce a network show, and having known fully what this great family is about, still acquiesced to the tiniest ripple of the PC crowd, and suspended Phil from his own show.

THANK YOU for saying what I've been thinking all day.

[DanTSX]

What is it then?

How is it that some of the richest and most elite are representing dems and conservatives alike, and they get all sorts of kickbacks and perks from their lobbying friends, and invest in companies that have influence over said politician and vice versa.  I mean if it looks like dems are taking over maybe it's because everyone has been bought out and only social progress squeaks past. The conservatives have little to do but start wars and talk shit.

It's neither.

Conservatives, in general, are conservative about their desire to change from what the contemporary social makeup thinks is "better", but generally does not have any problem with people carrying on as they wish in public or private as long as it is not harming anyone or causing children to be alarmed. (not exclusive to conservatism)

Conservatism, at it's core is not a "fat cat" thing.  It is more about the understanding that trying to regulate or force change by government action is not the best method.  Such methods may yield quick social gains, but will eventually end up with a stratified society trapped amidst the attempted social reform.  For a conservative, the way to cause change or improve society is again to give the same opportunity to achieve, but that also means that the opportunity to fail is equal as well.

Conservatives are not always the ones starting wars.  Look at Obama's actions in Libya, Syria, Egypt, and elsewhere.  He took 6 years to make any progress at Guantanamo.  He is using drones to kill people all over the world and spying on every one else. 

It wasn't republicans that were killing and beating blacks in the south in the 60's.  That was Democrats.  Some were Klan members and still in congress as recently as last year.

Who was one of the largest war hawks leading into the Iraq invasion, and later making noise for an Iran invasion?   Democrat Sen. Joe Lieberman.

I know that in Canada, the "conservative" party is pretty left/centre in comparison to our own.  But the core values are not really all in one bucket.  But the basic premise is in less government = better government.  Governments are good at a few things, but really suck at others.

I think what you are getting at is that our political leaders are not very good at playing to their alleged values very well.  I would agree to that.   One day they are being pulled by big business, the next they want to go to war to "spread freedom", the next they want to go isolationist.  We wonder ourselves if they simply do the opposite of liberals and call it a day.  Regardless if that was the case, I'd still side with them as I feel that the liberals are way off the path.  That doesn't mean that I don't want to punch every third "conservative" I meet for being an intolerant boob.

[bateman]

Look, he has the right to say what he said, but A&E also has the right to decide whether they want to be associated with him & his opinions. Companies exist to make money, not to allow employees to chase away advertisers & customers. If you stood in front of your office tossing around similar "opinions," would you be surprised if your boss came out & told you to hit the bricks?

I don't necessarily think he should lose his job, but both sides of that debate have merit. I do think A&E has every right to disassociate itself from him. That's also free speech, like it or not.

[DanTSX]

Look, he has the right to say what he said, but A&E also has the right to decide whether they want to be associated with him & his opinions. Companies exist to make money, not to allow employees to chase away advertisers & customers. If you stood in front of your office tossing around similar "opinions," would you be surprised if your boss came out & told you to hit the bricks?

I don't necessarily think he should lose his job, but both sides of that debate have merit. I do think A&E has every right to disassociate itself from him. That's also free speech, like it or not.

No argument there. 

But this show is brining in $$$ by the boatload.

If it is about the money, A&E should keep it on and let the gay lobby have their little fit, and let people take whatever side they wish.

For the record, I don't even watch TV.  Pretty much everything I see on it offends me or pisses me off.  But I don't go nuts and write to the stations about it either.  I just flick it off.  That is more powerful than free speech.  That is the dollar vote.