Started by somatichypermutation, November 22, 2013, 07:22:22 AM
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Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2014, 06:52:59 AMThe climate thing was a bit of a sneaky uppity thing as I seem to remember. It began as I remember with Al Gore;
Quote from: tensy on December 03, 2013, 12:31:28 PMClimate change is the biggest political football ever.Changing your light bulbs to CFLs isn't going to do squat when China builds a new coal fired plant each week.Taxing your airline ticket (for carbon offset) isn't going to change a thing. This is all about power and money.
Quote from: Ben Shockley on January 08, 2014, 04:26:50 PMUh-- WestOf, you know that for you, I have nothing but posting love. But this is something I always wonder about with your perpetual tone of "both/all sides do it and are totally equal." In your example of the plane spotting: do you allow for the possibility than any observer(s) could actually be objectively correct and the remainder objectively incorrect?I mean, just checking: because (and maybe this is just me thinking too much) you even made it seem like "there is no correct answer" --as if trying to avoid judgment of and offense to even imaginary persons-- with your not providing an initial "factual" description of the plane the observers saw.
Quote from: Juan on January 08, 2014, 04:32:07 PM...I remember well my Ecology and Evolution professor telling us that only a dictatorship could save the earth. That was a common position among people we would call greens now.
Quote from: Juan on January 08, 2014, 04:32:07 PMYou don't have enough history. Earth Day began in 1969 and heat pollution/thermal pollution, as it was called then, was a big part. The activists wanted to shut down nuke plants, electric plants, etc. just as they do now and making the same arguments. I remember well my Ecology and Evolution professor telling us that only a dictatorship could save the earth. That was a common position among people we would call greens now.
Quote from: Ben Shockley on January 08, 2014, 04:45:40 PMWhich is scarier?
Quote from: Juan on January 08, 2014, 04:49:31 PMWhat's the difference who does the raping?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 08, 2014, 04:57:19 PMWell no. One (The second option) does the raping; The first puts the brakes on us killing the planet.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 08, 2014, 04:45:57 PMI don't want my son looking back and asking why the fuck his father;s generation did jack to stop his planet dying.
Quote from: Juan on January 08, 2014, 06:10:11 PMSo the first rapes us while the second rapes the planet.
Quote from: West of the Rockies on January 08, 2014, 02:14:34 PMI swear that the regular posters here on these god-forsaken political threads could all be standing on the street together watching a plane fly by. When asked to report what we saw, three of us would say a single-engine jet. Three would say it was a twin-engine prop plane. One would insist it was a glider. Another would say he saw nothing. If we could then review the digitally-recorded evidence of the flyby, no one would change their views. Someone would argue the recording had been tampered with while another would insist it showed a different plane in a different location.Has anyone here ever really and truly changed your views based on something you read here?
Quote from: Paper*Boy on January 08, 2014, 08:48:52 PMExcept then they were insisting the 'Settled Science' was global cooling - the coming man-made Ice AgeThis is all about shutting down industry
Quote from: Paper*Boy on January 08, 2014, 08:48:52 PMThis is all about shutting down industry
Quote from: RealCool Daddio on January 08, 2014, 09:40:36 PMRight, cause all scientists dream of a world without industry. Buy a clue.
Quote from: Sambo on January 08, 2014, 10:34:02 PMsomething to do with a feeble attempt to not feel helpless when it comes to perceived intangibles
Quote from: Sambo on January 09, 2014, 12:01:15 AMWake up. Why are you defending entities that don't give a rats ass about your existence?
Quote from: Sambo on January 09, 2014, 12:01:15 AMSorry that science and critical thinking tends to favor the left. It has sort of always been a part of its vocabulary. That is until lobbying and marketing became a big profit boon.You really think the Earth will thrive with acidic oxygen depleted oceans full of plastic particulate, and with desert wastelands to live on?Wake up. Why are you defending entities that don't give a rats ass about your existence?
Quote from: Paper*Boy on January 08, 2014, 11:51:02 PMThe real powers behind this then come up with their 'solutions' which - surprise surprise - turn out to be the same old attacks on the West.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 09, 2014, 03:24:21 AM The USA has 4.5% of the worlds population yet produces 25% of the CO2 fossil fuel pollution. Incredibly (and it surprised me), that's more than China, India and Japan combined..Although Japan I think is mainly dependent on non fossil fuel energy generation. That is the raw statistic; Now you can take the view that you don't give a shit, and have a "I'm alright Jack, I'm an American and I have an absolute right to...
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 09, 2014, 03:24:21 AM The USA has 4.5% ...
Quote from: Paper*Boy on January 09, 2014, 03:48:46 AMIn China 4/5ths of the people are poor farmworkers working mostly by hand. Using shit for fertilizer. It's true they aren't using a lot of fossil fuels. Same with much of India, Africa, Latin America, the rest of Asia - are you suggesting this for the rest of us?
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 09, 2014, 05:37:09 AM Come back with proven science in two or three decades, and then we can fix it.