Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[Luna]

I'd listen!

Me too! But I'd listen either way. It would be a great way to minimize confusion and have everyone on the same page.

[Luna]

If I had the coursge to call, I'd be curious about how Arts wife is doing in coping with her home country .

[maureen]

By the way today is my birthday. I just got done hearing MV talk with AB, on GC. So im feeling pretty DG right now LOL.

Many happy returns of the day, Nin2!! May you have health and happiness!!

[Queen]

Many happy returns of the day, Nin2!! May you have health and happiness!!

Thanks

[dortmunder]

Personally, when I heard Art left SiriusXM it felt like I had been hit in the stomach, twice.  A new paradigm had started and ended too abruptly.

It really is the quickening.

[coaster]

With lots of flavored butter.  Here turkey, turkey... come over here, turkey.  "Gobble, gobble...!"

Noory prefers his turkey out of a vending machine.

[Marc.Knight]

Noory prefers his turkey out of a vending machine.

...and still alive.

[ItsOver]

Honestly (on a purely business level...) I think this would have been a grand idea.

Indie 104 (from what I can tell) pretty much sucks as a channel. Adding C2C directly after DM would have surely brought some people to the channel who perhaps were not as familiar with Art and they would have caught the end of his show and hopefully tune in the next day.....

Maybe or maybe not it would have been good from the business sense.  It's possible theoretically but look at the parties involved in this particular case.  We'll never know.  I just can't imagine Art being thrilled if he knew he was going to be the opening act for the Jorch and PremRat three ring circus.  He'd just explained during the first DM show the issues he had with PremRat.  He spent his DM duration commenting on other issues with Jorch and company, such as "poaching."  Then there's the Oates situation   It's the height of ironic hilarity when C2C shows up on 104 so quickly after Art left.  Remember, "there are no coincidences."  Maybe Dave is right for a change. 

As I mentioned in my post, it's all just further speculation.  Who knows what all went on.  Regardless of all the other potential issues, streaming, base, et al, they are somewhat moot, though, if the C2C arrival on Sirius 104, right after DM, was in work all this time.  I'd think Art would have viewed that as a marriage made in Hell.

[ItsOver]

Noory prefers his turkey out of a vending machine.

I though he was the turkey. 

[ItsOver]

It really is the quickening.

I think for most of us it was "the sickening." 

[morphiaflow]

Hey MV,

If a name change is still being entertained....

How about freeartbell.com?

I know, I know...

[dortmunder]

Well, there goes my girlfriend. Thanks a lot, BellGab!!! No, just kidding. I fucked that up all on my own. Good thing, too. Now I can go back to doing what I want. Phew! What a week!

[Juan]

The number of stream-issue deniers on this forum, particularly those who have registered since OCT (to quote George) 1, are interesting.

[whatatrip]

The mysteries don't go away, usually. Art can get out of guests what others can't. Our knowledge grows every day and that knowledge can be applied to old mysteries as well as uncover new mysteries. Yes, in the 1990's Art was new and in his hay day he had what, 10, 12, 15 million listeners and C2C now has 2-3 million? I don't know. And those big numbers will not happen again, IMO, unless something NEW comes up which could happen. I just haven't heard anyone explore a mystery the way Art does. Even if he was only back for 6 weeks, he produced as good a product as even and a vastly better product than is on the market today.

Personally, I like the OLD Art approach. It doesn't need to be refreshed. Compared to his rivals, Art's approach is fresh even if the topic is old. We will see old mysteries in a new light with new understandings and that will likely "refresh" the mystery and if it doesn't solve the mystery, it will probably make it even more mysterious. IMO, only Art can do. I am sure he wants to be there when it happens even if it so happens he has a small audience.

Once Art is free of his NC, he could do whatever he wants to do. He could do one show a month for one hour or a show 7 days a week for 4 hours each day or he could simply do nothing or anything in between. He can start and quit any time he wants. He can also host other people's show. I like to listen to Dreamland once in awhile but the audio levels vary way too much. One minute you are softly slipping into Dreamland, then next minute you are blasted out of Dreamland and out bed into a promotion.

The C2C website works quite well, it is just the interviewer that doesn't measure up. He knows it and so does everyone else. George does what he does and he makes it work. I don't care for his interview style, his often broken English guests (I have a hard time understanding English spoken by the British) and I don't care for what appears to be his "purpose", which appears to me to be religious.

If  Art's website streams as good as or better than C2C, he will get listeners C2C will lose listeners. He could start out charging just what it takes to keep the website afloat after a period of "free" listening. There is nothing like free product to "hook" customers. Sirius tried it and by all account I know of, they got listeners but couldn't keep them because they couldn't deliver the product undamaged.

[McPhallus]

George Snorty proving again what is wrong with Corporate America. The average float to the top. Good job Snorty.

Noory's not even average.  The average douchebag cookie-cutter local radio host from a small town in the middle of nowhere is still a better host than Noory.  Sometimes shit floats!

[Nighthawk]

The number of stream-issue deniers on this forum, particularly those who have registered since OCT (to quote George) 1, are interesting.

I agree. I don't understand why they are even here. I got pretty angry at them last week. I have calmed down now and I understand that they are just trolls. If they want to be on the lying scumbag team all the power to them I guess.

[DarKPenguiN]

The number of stream-issue deniers on this forum, particularly those who have registered since OCT (to quote George) 1, are interesting.

I didnt have those issues because I didnt stream.

But, if 'streaming' was the reason for canceling, there were actual 'Live streams' up during the show and the entire show was posted the next day (absent of Sirus, these were Pirated Streams- But they worked well...) would Arts fans support him anyhow.

So his fans cancelled because they couldnt stream and Art quit over streaming. leaving many of us 'holding the bag' after buying radios and subs JUST to support him.

The buildup lasted longer than the show....

The 'stream is an excuse. Granted there may have been some trouble with it (I dont know) but if it was all about 'streaming' why did Art ever go to Satelitte radio and not just run his own streaming service?? I am pretty sure I know the answer, as I said- he did this to give C2C a black eye and NOT for his fans. When he saw that wasnt going to happen RIGHT AWAY- he gave up.

Art, wanna buy me out of  my Sirius contract? I am not canceling since I made an agreement to pay and I ONLY made that agreement because YOU were returning. Its not Sirus's fault you quit- So what do I do with a year of PAID radio which I dont use? George is going to GIVE someone money for new glasses, I would like you to purchase my Sirius plan from me since I am not getting the content I paid for (not because of Sirius)...

Streaming is an "out" to save face. Satellite was a bad move to begin with.

Aert Bell is gone for good and to listen to the folks here its all because of evil Sirius and C2C and has nothing to do with Art quitting...Again...

[Juan]

See.
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[Nighthawk]

I didnt have those issues because I didnt stream.

But, if 'streaming' was the reason for canceling, there were actual 'Live streams' up during the show and the entire show was posted the next day (absent of Sirus, these were Pirated Streams- But they worked well...) would Arts fans support him anyhow.

How many frickin times do you people need to be told? Go back and read what Art has said. He made it very clear that he signed up with Sirius XM under the premise that streaming would be provided. Sufficient streaming was NOT provided for Dark Matter. That is all there is to it. No need to hash it over and over again. Go back and read the facts Art has stated. He signed up under the premise streaming would be provided. End of story.

[DarKPenguiN]

See.
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Its nice when you take he time to post your thoughts and attempt to make points and are answered with simple 'one word' statements.

Yes, I see. I am right and rather than try to argue the point its easier to pretend I am a 'troll' rather than a pissed off fan who is out a couple hundred dollars because I tried to support Art... Someone who signed up immediatley and made sure to tell the rep " I am only doing this for Art bells new show..."

Yup..I disagree, so I MUST be a troll.

[DarKPenguiN]

How many frickin times do you people need to be told? Go back and read what Art has said. He made it very clear that he signed up with Sirius XM under the premise that streaming would be provided. Sufficient streaming was NOT provided for Dark Matter. That is all there is to it. No need to hash it over and over again. Go back and read the facts Art has stated. He signed up under the premise streaming would be provided. End of story.

I didnt know my sub (and getting the content I paid for to support Art) was contingent on streaming. I was left out of the lop or I would NEVER have signed up.

Google "Sirius Streaming Issues" and its evident they have been there forever and will continue to be. A quick google check would have shown Art that...

How many times do I have to tell you- Its a bullshit reason.

[Nighthawk]

It is not bullshit. It is exactly as it is. Art wanted streaming to be a big part of his show. Sirius XM said they would provide that. They did not. Art's understanding when signing up was just that. Streaming would be provided. Sorry you lost out with your radio. I did too. I am now putting mine up for sale on craigslist. I don't like it either believe me. But please understand what Art has said. He wanted that streaming to go along with the show and they couldn't do it, nor would they allow him to do it himself. I personally hate streaming. However there was a large amount of Art's listeners that did want it and that is how it went down.

[Nighthawk]

Oh and BTW to add to that. Art has stated on the pod cast that he believes the internet and streaming is the way of the future for radio. He said he want's to move forward and be at the forefront of all this. Sadly he is correct. I say sadly caus I hate online streaming. He is right. The wireless technology will advance so much in the future.

[nooryisawesome]

I think Falkie should pass on his Turkey advice to George sense he loves Turkey so much.

[Juan]

I'm out a couple of hundred dollars, too.  I signed up for a year.  I chose the streaming option because I live in an apartment with only northern exposure - I wasn't sure I could receive the satellite signal.  For the first month, the stream failed multiple times per half hour.  It was a real issue.  I'm pissed as well.

[DarKPenguiN]

It is not bullshit. It is exactly as it is. Art wanted streaming to be a big part of his show. Sirius XM said they would provide that. They did not. Art's understanding when signing up was just that. Streaming would be provided. Sorry you lost out with your radio. I did too. I am now putting mine up for sale on craigslist. I don't like it either believe me. But please understand what Art has said. He wanted that streaming to go along with the show and they couldn't do it, nor would they allow him to do it himself. I personally hate streaming. However there was a large amount of Art's listeners that did want it and that is how it went down.

The Art should have made that clear from the start (since it was evident by a quick Google search that he wasnt going to get it...)

Art could have broadcasted the URL of one of the Pirate streams until Sirius fixed it (or not...) regardless, the show was streamed and available in full the next day.

To go further. Art decided that (evidently) his only fans that mattered were those canceling due to streams (rather than buy a radio off craigslist as I did tio continue to support Art...) rather than care about the fans who were not streaming and actually bought radios and stayed subbed.

- So my 'loyalty' was rewarded by paying about $300 (radio included) for a month and a half of shows and a walk off that never should have happened.

[onan]

I am not canceling since I made an agreement to pay and I ONLY made that agreement because YOU were returning. Its not Sirus's fault you quit-

You don't know the full reason, none of us do. Your conjecture is noted and certainly has weight to it.

What doesn't have much weight is to claim you bought Sirius to listen to Art. I have no doubt that you wanted to listen to Art. But to remain a customer with a company that isn't providing what you pay for is on you, and completely your choice. I always wonder why anyone would pay for a year subscription to save a paltry few dollars. You must have had some faith and that faith was dashed... many of us feel the same way. What most of us have, for whatever reason is a willingness to believe more in Art Bell than Sirius. You can dislike that and call us some derisive version of fan if you must, but it doesn't help your argument.

You feel Bell was underhanded. OK, so what? If your goal is to walk away feeling superior, knock yourself out.

I listened to Art on the gabcast interview. I listen to people for a living. I have to make critical decisions for forensic reasons. I believe Art is truthful in his report. I also believe he could have handled things better. But it is all water under the bridge. It seems you want to stay angry and keep paying for what you don't want. Hope that serves you well.

[jazmunda]

Saying Art should have Googled "Sirius Streaming Issues" is not a valid argument that Sirius can make to get off the hook for having streaming issues.

It may be a valid argument for us in a "buyer beware" kinda way.

[Kolchak]

here were actual 'Live streams' up during the show and the entire show was posted the next day (absent of Sirus, these were Pirated Streams- But they worked well...)

I did find it odd that Art mentioned pirated streams during the Halloween show as part of the problem. Those streams didn't drop, and they still broadcast his C Crane live reads as far as sponsors go. Seemed like pirated streams were a win for the show.

Obviously, it was a lose for Sirius, but Sirius did nothing to shut them down.

[DarKPenguiN]

You don't know the full reason, none of us do. Your conjecture is noted and certainly has weight to it.

What doesn't have much weight is to claim you bought Sirius to listen to Art. I have no doubt that you wanted to listen to Art. But to remain a customer with a company that isn't providing what you pay for is on you, and completely your choice. I always wonder why anyone would pay for a year subscription to save a paltry few dollars. You must have had some faith and that faith was dashed... many of us feel the same way. What most of us have, for whatever reason is a willingness to believe more in Art Bell than Sirius. You can dislike that and call us some derisive version of fan if you must, but it doesn't help your argument.

You feel Bell was underhanded. OK, so what? If your goal is to walk away feeling superior, knock yourself out.

I listened to Art on the gabcast interview. I listen to people for a living. I have to make critical decisions for forensic reasons. I believe Art is truthful in his report. I also believe he could have handled things better. But it is all water under the bridge. It seems you want to stay angry and keep paying for what you don't want. Hope that serves you well.

Jesus Christ duude...I subbed to support ART (not to save a few bucks)...
I AM a PIRATE. I PIRATE games, Music, Movies (the whole 9 yards) and use a VPN when nessasary. I KNEW the shit would be free and I could listen for ZERO Dollars (Hell, I play new Video games for ZERO Dollars)

-This was to support Art ONLY. I dont need nor want Satelite radio and think its foolish unless you are a trucker or Cab driver or something.

-And regardless of Sirius streaming issues- ART QUIT. So we either could have had ART BELL (minus good streaming) which you could either find a Pirate stream or hear the show the next day OR no Art bell .

You have NO ART BELL (he quit , remember) but some of us are still getting monthly bills.

I never heard "Wanna take a ride...Contingent on streaming." did you?