Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

[jazmunda]

Can someone explain the 30 day out clause?

Why would this even be a consideration after the 30 days were up. 6 weeks is greater than 30 days last I checked.

Surely Sirius were in their rights to waive that?

[Stan_Holeman]

Some of you continue to be so gullible.  Art isn't an idiot and he knows they'll never just let him stream. Maybe they'll agree to let him out of the NC clause, but even that's unlikely.

This is all done for your benefit...to appease you. He's used to being a popular guy...beloved at what he does...and he's had that for going on 20 years now. All of the sudden, he's without a show and pissed off the majority of his biggest fans. So, he's going through all stuff. Posting here with his updates. Doing test streams...yes Art you can stream...this has been established since the time when Prodigy and Compuserv ruled the net.

I don't wish Art anything but the best, but this is just nonsense. He should just swallow his pride, admit he messed up, and go back on Sirius if they'll have him. No, as many have pointed out, they won't let him give away the show...but so what, it's still a good show. Even with fewer callers and a smaller base...heck it might even be better.

[Suzeca]

But so what if he was making demands. I wouldnt even call them demands. It was more requests and adjustments. And some of those "demands" were due to feedback he was getting from us.

After reading his posts i dont feel like in any way that he is just out for himself. He's even willing to work for nothing. How is that sellfish?

And ive never paid more than 20.00 for a brand new Xm radio. You can always get a deal especially if u are a new signup. I must have 4 or 5 radios now (yes im a truckdriver).

I also feel like everyone is projecting their own internal views and makeup onto this situation that has more to with them then him. He would be wise to be very care as to what he takes in.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Can someone explain the 30 day out clause?

Why would this even be a consideration after the 30 days were up. 6 weeks is greater than 30 days last I checked.

Surely Sirius were in their rights to waive that?

They waived the clause so that Art wouldn't be in breach of contract by leaving after thirty days. The two year NC is another matter entirely.

[Marc.Knight]

Some of you continue to be so gullible.  Art isn't an idiot and he knows they'll never just let him stream. Maybe they'll agree to let him out of the NC clause, but even that's unlikely.

This is all done for your benefit...to appease you. He's used to being a popular guy...beloved at what he does...and he's had that for going on 20 years now. All of the sudden, he's without a show and pissed off the majority of his biggest fans. So, he's going through all stuff. Posting here with his updates. Doing test streams...yes Art you can stream...this has been established since the time when Prodigy and Compuserv ruled the net.

I don't wish Art anything but the best, but this is just nonsense. He should just swallow his pride, admit he messed up, and go back on Sirius if they'll have him. No, as many have pointed out, they won't let him give away the show...but so what, it's still a good show. Even with fewer callers and a smaller base...heck it might even be better.

Finally, a mature understanding.  But, I think Art has been looking for a way out and now conveniently, SiriusXM is the one to blame for not bringing him back.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

But so what if he was making demands. I wouldnt even call them demands. It was more requests and adjustments. And some of those "demands" were due to feedback he was getting from us.

After reading his posts i dont feel like in any way that he is just out for himself. He's even willing to work for nothing. How is that sellfish?

Hi Suzeca!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[jazmunda]

They waived the clause so that Art wouldn't be in breach of contract by leaving after thirty days. The two year NC is another matter entirely.

Ok. I was confused. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Catsmile]

Art Bell:
Calling the female sex 'gal's' is as outdated as patting them on the behind.  (Yes, that's outdated too.)

Keep telling yourself that.


http://youtu.be/i4YutyVP7ig

[maren]

They waived the clause so that Art wouldn't be in breach of contract by leaving after thirty days. The two year NC is another matter entirely.

Oops -- I thought it was that he had to give 30 days notice before departing.  Thanks.

[Bigfoot]

Finally, a mature understanding.  But, I think Art has been looking for a way out and now conveniently, SiriusXM is the one to blame for not bringing him back.

Not only SXM, but apparently outside pressure... coming from... somewhere.

Honestly, this whole faux rivalry is not even interesting anymore. 

[Stan_Holeman]

But so what if he was making demands. I wouldnt even call them demands. It was more requests and adjustments. And some of those "demands" were due to feedback he was getting from us.

After reading his posts i dont feel like in any way that he is just out for himself. He's even willing to work for nothing. How is that sellfish?

And ive never paid more than 20.00 for a brand new Xm radio. You can always get a deal especially if u are a new signup. I must have 4 or 5 radios now (yes im a truckdriver).

I also feel like everyone is projecting their own internal views and makeup onto this situation that has more to with them then him. He would be wise to be very care as to what he takes in.

Art can talk, but don't confuse his talk with truth or reality. I don't mean that as harshly as it may read, only that he's spinning it as best as he can. He set up this whole thing, got his fans to come over and buy the crappy satellite radios, sign up for the subscriptions,  and then he quit after 6 weeks.

I get that you like Art, but please don't let him twist this around to make it out as if he's doing us a favor.

[ItsOver]

Finally, a mature understanding.  But, I think Art has been looking for a way out and now conveniently, SiriusXM is the one to blame for not bringing him back.

If you want to understand the current situation, look at the past.  We've seen this act before, sadly. 

[maren]

Finally, a mature understanding.  But, I think Art has been looking for a way out and now conveniently, SiriusXM is the one to blame for not bringing him back.

I don't understand why so many feel Art was "looking for a way out".  Do you mean a way out of Sirius, or a way out of broadcasting all together?

I got the sense he was delighted to be back on the air.  And it was initially presented as a 3 hour show, but he had the option to add on another hour.  Every single show was 4 hours long -- I thought he was loving it. 

[TheGrimCreeper1]

the ONLY way for Art to get back on Sirius would be to drop this whole streaming issue.

as someone said, apologize and pick up where you left off.

actively explore other options and present the plan to them, LATER.

Art, be totally honest and just admit that this whole thing has been one big clusterfuck.

One would think too many corporate feathers have been ruffled for that now.

[maren]

Art can talk, but don't confuse his talk with truth or reality. I don't mean that as harshly as it may read, only that he's spinning it as best as he can. He set up this whole thing, got his fans to come over and buy the crappy satellite radios, sign up for the subscriptions,  and then he quit after 6 weeks.

I get that you like Art, but please don't let him twist this around to make it out as if he's doing us a favor.

I believe Art is representing himself honestly -- it's how he views the situation. 

[shell88]

I also feel like everyone is projecting their own internal views and makeup onto this situation that has more to with them then him.

Isn't that always the case?

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Not only SXM, but apparently outside pressure... coming from... somewhere.

Honestly, this whole faux rivalry is not even interesting anymore.

Not the Greys! Yeah, I'm tired of the rivalry too. So the beef was with Premiere and who that weasel Noory booked in the lead up to the first Dark Matter, big deal. Get on with the show, focus on beating them by doing what you do best - asking no nonsense questions to guests instead of being in a fog like on C2CAM while people like John Hogue spout any nonsense they want.

[dortmunder]

They waived the clause so that Art wouldn't be in breach of contract by leaving after thirty days. The two year NC is another matter entirely.

Sounds to me like they're willing to be lenient then. Maybe they'll dump the NC too.

[maren]

Isn't that always the case?

Yep -- I don't think we can do anything but.

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Mission accomplished.  Now it can all be blamed on Sirius. 

That's pretty cynical. I do hope that frown will turned upside down.

[Stan_Holeman]

I don't understand why so many feel Art was "looking for a way out".  Do you mean a way out of Sirius, or a way out of broadcasting all together?

I got the sense he was delighted to be back on the air.  And it was initially presented as a 3 hour show, but he had the option to add on another hour.  Every single show was 4 hours long -- I thought he was loving it.

I thought the early shows he was clearly excited, but then he started talking about moving all his assets back to the Philippines. ....and he didn't make any mention about a contingency plan for continuing the show--he just made it clear if there was a default he was outta here.  Considering that had nothing to do with streaming, I was worried he wasn't into the show.

As far as the extra hour--I have a feeling he bit off more than he can chew. It's been a LONG time since he's regularly been doing a show for the majority of the week. That's a completely different lifestyle than retirement. Someone else here mentioned that coming back just for the weekends would make more sense, and I have to agree (even though I'd like him on 7 days a week). Two awesome shows where he was content would be fine by me...certainly better than quitting over streaming.

[Bigfoot]

I don't understand why so many feel Art was "looking for a way out".  Do you mean a way out of Sirius, or a way out of broadcasting all together?

I got the sense he was delighted to be back on the air.  And it was initially presented as a 3 hour show, but he had the option to add on another hour.  Every single show was 4 hours long -- I thought he was loving it.

I don't think so, I think it was always meant to be a 4 hr show.  There were hopes that he would sometimes extend here and there, but he never did. 

My opinion is that he did it just to see if he still could.  After a few weeks, the novelty wore off. 

A very vocal minority complained about the streaming webapp.  Art took it and blew its severity up in order to use it as grounds for countersuit, should it be needed.  Apparently SXM, in their discretion, essentially gave him a free out of his contract so it wasn't needed after all. 

He could even pay off the NC most likely or even fight it, but he won't.  Face it, shit ain't happening

I'd love to be able to eat my words, however.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Sounds to me like they're willing to be lenient then. Maybe they'll dump the NC too.

That could be, though I suspect SXM would have waived the non-compete in the same conversation as the thirty day clause... but that's just me.

[ItsOver]

I thought the early shows he was clearly excited, but then he started talking about moving all his assets back to the Philippines. ....and he didn't make any mention about a contingency plan for continuing the show--he just made it clear if there was a default he was outta here.  Considering that had nothing to do with streaming, I was worried he wasn't into the show.....

That's about when I started to get that "sinking feeling" again.  "What's this all about?"  It hit me big time when I saw the "all in" announcement a week ago.  "Say, what???"  The big punch in the gut was on Monday.  "Damn, not again."

[maren]

Sounds to me like they're willing to be lenient then. Maybe they'll dump the NC too.

When I gave notice to one employer (with another job waiting in the wings), he was so personally pissed off for some reason, he told me to leave then and there.  Or, maybe Sirius didn't want him to have 30 days of  Art talking about the streaming problems and why he would be leaving.  Thirty days to present his case, as it were.  To be fair, he never bitched about them, and rather was very appreciative when they made the changes he'd requested (remove raunchy ads, extend the time-out, etc.). 

[jazmunda]

Sounds to me like they're willing to be lenient then. Maybe they'll dump the NC too.

From my outside know nothing perspective it seems that they have made a concession and that might be the only one they make. Relationship over. See you in 2 years.

[Zoxo]

SiriusXM cancelled just a moment ago. I gave them the comment, please bring back Art Bell, and you will regain my business. Otherwise, thanks for nothing.

[Saskatchewan Crust]

I don't understand why so many feel Art was "looking for a way out".  Do you mean a way out of Sirius, or a way out of broadcasting all together?

I got the sense he was delighted to be back on the air.  And it was initially presented as a 3 hour show, but he had the option to add on another hour.  Every single show was 4 hours long -- I thought he was loving it.

I was wondering the same thing. Surely you guys aren't saying Art wants out of radio? Hey, I'm brand new here, so I'm aware my opinion has about as much weight as Don Knotts in lunar gravity, but I think you guys are being way too cynical. I've got a good bullshit detector, and I don't think Art is giving us anything other than the upfront straight lowdown on all this. I don't think he's been deceptive in the least. Anyway, you can laugh at my naivety if this thing goes south next week and Art shocks us all by decamping back to the Philippines. Until then...

[TheGrimCreeper1]

This thread has more conspiracy theories than the average Alex Jones show.