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Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

Started by DesertFox, November 01, 2013, 08:13:24 AM


Coz

Quote from: tertiaryimam on November 09, 2013, 08:00:48 PM
Yeah, here's something I read:

“All systems, all vestiges of modern living â€" communications, power water, all are down. Media is down, so there is no way to communicate with the people in a mass sort of way.”

It's fucking awful. In all serious I do think the weather systems are getting progressively worse as time goes on. What it can be attributed to I don't know.

There's a lot of Amateur Radio activity going on there right now.

That will be the first communication used in initial recovery.

jazmunda

Quote from: aldousburbank on November 09, 2013, 07:57:01 PM
What time does Art come back on the air?

Looking less likely o'clock. Daylight time if that makes a difference.


sherry440

Re: the particulars of any non compete can be argued by expensive lawyers in court and a judge would decide. But it's a good guess that it would be written to apply to any circumstance no matter what the country of origin. It's also a safe bet that Sirius attorneys win in the end and it would be an extremely expensive fight.


420desert

Quote from: sherry440 on November 09, 2013, 07:43:49 PM
Generally, a non compete is a standard part of a contract where you promise that is your association with the current employer ends, you promise you won't work or broadcast, in this case anywhere else for a specified length of time. If you do, you get royally sued and screwed.

You must get compensated handsomely in some manner. You can't deprive someone of their right to make a living.

tertiaryimam

Quote from: sherry440 on November 09, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
Re: the particulars of any non compete can be argued by expensive lawyers in court and a judge would decide. But it's a good guess that it would be written to apply to any circumstance no matter what the country of origin. It's also a safe bet that Sirius attorneys win in the end and it would be an extremely expensive fight.


My question would be what the fallout for Sirius would be if Art ripped up the non-compete. I mean, let's say Sirius doesn't sue him, or whatever --- could this cause a mutiny among the other beloved Sirius hosts like Covino and Rich, Kool DJ Red Alert, and Bam Margera?



sherry440

Quote from: 420desert on November 09, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
You must get compensated handsomely in some manner. You can't deprive someone of their right to make a living.

Sure you can! That's the whole purpose of a non compete! It says, if you don't want to work with us, you're not working anywhere else either.  Kind of like, if I can't have him, no one else can.

urbie88

Quote from: DanTSX on November 09, 2013, 07:52:45 PM
Truckers are not allowed to have iPhones.  iPhones are for the beutiful people.

They can have a shitty nexus or something more appropriate to their education level and socioeconomic class.

Like a jitterbug.

Nighthawk

Quote from: 420desert on November 09, 2013, 08:19:07 PM
Does C2C air on KNYE?

Yes it does, But Art sold the station some time ago to a local woman.

laserjock

Quote from: Foodlion on November 09, 2013, 07:58:20 PM
Which part of Cebu? my step-mother and step/half brothers and sisters were born there as well.
I've only seen pictures, but talk about paradise. I believe they are from the city of Lapu-Lapu

Lapu Lapu (named for the native Pinoy hero who killed Magellin) is on Mactan Island, right beside Cebu City/Mandaue.  My "wife" (we aren't really married yet) lives not far from Santo Nino right inside Cebu City.  They are very poor but very wonderful, kind, decent people.  Both her parents died way too young and both of them adored me as I adored them.

It's a lovely place.  Cebuanos are very sweet natured and very playful, which is exhibited in the names they give their children.  They are also very superstitious.  They are also all tri-lingual or better, speaking the national language, English, and the language of their island (which is hard to learn).

I love it there, despite the poverty and hardship, it is very paradise like, it's a great place if you have money and if you have a heart and are willing to help others a little, because they believe in caring for each other.  There are some things I don't like, such as the cock fighting and addiction some have to shebu (meth), but getting around the city is very easy as there are tartenillas/Kalesas (horse carts), jeepneys (jeep like mini buses), cabs, buses, tricycles, you name it.  I'd live there for sure, but there is one thing I wouldn't like, their broadband internet there isn't very good, especially considering it is an Asian nation (Korea and Japan have some of the best internet anywhere in the world).

If you can at all possibly go there, GO!  If your an obvious American (white, black), make sure you are accompanied because there ARE pick pockets (and so forth, it IS a city with a lot of poor people).  Mactan Island has beaches where there are almost no waves, the sand is coral sand, white.  You can drink coconut wine (Tuba, made from milking the tree's sprites, they literally climb the trees and rubber band the cut sprite to the bottle and let it ferment up there.  Rats get 1/2 of the goods, but it's the cheap booze there.  There is a Magnolia Ice cream factory, the mango ice cream is delicious.

If you go, you will notice right away how warm and courteous people are.

maren

Quote from: tertiaryimam on November 09, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
I'm learning how to use Windows Movie Maker:


mortalbokamba

Amazing thing the power of technolgoy!
:)  That was great!!

McPhallus


Brilliant guy, that Gary drugaBusey.

Quote from: Resickened on November 09, 2013, 07:45:21 PM
Well, SiriusXM could always bring on Gary Busey to host "Dark Matter". You think he'd have some pull being a celebrity and known in pop culture. He's seemingly more eloquent and passionate about the subject than Noory.


George Noory and Gary Busey - Meeting of the Great Minds

urbie88

The Gary busey screams at things that are not there show on SiriusXM

420desert

Quote from: sherry440 on November 09, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
Sure you can! That's the whole purpose of a non compete! It says, if you don't want to work with us, you're not working anywhere else either.  Kind of like, if I can't have him, no one else can.

I get it, but compensation must be involved or it is not in good faith and not enforceable by law, correct? If that were the case every job on earth would have a non-compete right there along with the drug test.

tertiaryimam

Quote from: urbie88 on November 09, 2013, 08:41:55 PM
The Gary busey screams at things that are not there show on SiriusXM


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IcicleTrepan

Quote from: 420desert on November 09, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
I get it, but compensation must be involved or it is not in good faith and not enforceable by law, correct? If that were the case every job on earth would have a non-compete right there along with the drug test.

The compensation is what you get as part of the contract, aka a job and whatever benefits package that comes with (salary, medical plan, retirement plan, etc).  I've had to sign non competes before as well, they have them for lots of different jobs.  In some places they are not enforceable by law, but they are in most places.

So basically, he has to wait the 2 years out, or they have to agree to release him from that particular clause of the contract.  He could try to take it to court and fight it on the basis that he has no other means of making an income, but it probably wouldn't work.

McPhallus

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on November 09, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
He could try to take it to court and fight it on the basis that he has no other means of making an income, but it probably wouldn't work.

There's no way he could argue that successfully.  The lawyers at Sirius could easily come up with proof of the millions he has in the bank.

Quote from: McPhallus on November 09, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
There's no way he could argue that successfully.  The lawyers at Sirius could easily come up with proof of the millions he has in the bank.
Claiming the noncompete is depriving you of an income is a common way out of a noncompete clause.

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on November 09, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
The compensation is what you get as part of the contract, aka a job and whatever benefits package that comes with (salary, medical plan, retirement plan, etc).  I've had to sign non competes before as well, they have them for lots of different jobs.  In some places they are not enforceable by law, but they are in most places.

So basically, he has to wait the 2 years out, or they have to agree to release him from that particular clause of the contract.  He could try to take it to court and fight it on the basis that he has no other means of making an income, but it probably wouldn't work.

Art could also broadcast on terrestrial radio and say that it does not violate the terms of a noncompete, that satellite radio and terrestrial radio are in fact different, and therefore not competitors.

ItsOver

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on November 09, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
Art could also broadcast on terrestrial radio and say that it does not violate the terms of a noncompete, that satellite radio and terrestrial radio are in fact different, and therefore not competitors.

Ah, yes.  "Extraterrestrial radio, baby!"  How wonderful it was just a month ago.  How times change.

jazmunda

Sirius could also argue that they will/have lose/lost subscribers if Art walks and hence the 2 year NC must be enforced to stem the flow of subscribers jumping ship.

Jocko Johnson

Quote from: malachi.martini on November 09, 2013, 03:42:41 AM
Lol.  I listened to that one, there were some genuinely creepy moments and some moments where my bullshit meter went off the charts.  He's such a mess, it's hard to take him seriously when he talks about having cancer and how he cleaned up his diet drastically, and then you see him with chinese take out, and jugs of soda.  Of course you're having a panic attack, you just ate the shittiest meal in the world.

I have heard Clyde Lewis in the past. Sometimes he is real good others not so much.
The things that did it for me, that I just couldn't stand to listen to him anymore was 1) all the AJ way out there type bs political stuff & 2) the worst was each time he came back from commercial he would recap the entire show to that point and just repeat himself over and over for like 10-15 minutes...talk for about five more with new stuff go to commercial and do it all over again!!!!!!! That style of his just drove me nuts...reached above my head and grabbed that striped handle, pulled it down over my head an punched the fuck out of there baby!

Quote from: ItsOver on November 09, 2013, 08:59:09 PM
Ah, yes.  "Extraterrestrial radio, baby!"

Maybe Bob Crane can start selling subspace transmitters so our friends in Alpha Centuari can tune-in to Art.

"Extrasolar line, you're on the air! Hello! Please turn your radio off...:D

littlechris

Quote from: maren on November 09, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
My heart is just skinking.  This whole thing is a clusterfuck.  IF he'd just have hung in a little longer, IF he'd not delivered an ultimatum, IF we'd been less critical while they addressed the problems, IF he hadn't walked THEN come back with a plan, IF they'd parted on better terms, IF there was an out for his NC...

But, what we're left with doesn't look promising.  At this time, anyway.  Anything can happen, but my gut feeling is we're going to be Art-less for some time.

Maybe I'll be a little more optimistic tomorrow.

But

I agree, but it looks like Artie is gone. For 2 years at least. In the meantime, we can hear art read the temperature and tell the time on KNYE.   :-* ;D :D :P

Suzeca

Quote from: HaveAccess on November 09, 2013, 08:33:59 AM
This is fricken nuts....

Art you are an artist. The mind of the listener is your canvass. Tonal inflection, perceptive question and quick wit- your brush....

Which is to say, every turn key solution you propose and consider now, comes with a creative leash.
And over time, that leash gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller-- until a breaking point.


Art I remember, with such fond memories, maybe 1997, a hoky crude website with links to marvels and humor and the human circus.
Maybe you should retreat back to that space. Of simplicity that entertains. Something totally you. Not Art/Premrat. Not Art/SiriusXM. But Art Bell.

Maybe you should retreat back to a canvass that is totally you and financially independent, self sustaining, financially self reliant.
This entire board, all the population east of the Rockies, the UK and Oz / Kiwi, even South Africa to Asia, from Aloha to Alaska-- would enjoy compensating you a reasonable fee for the world of wonder you would open every night. And you and I both know-- know-- a quality product with an appropriate price point dismisses the nuisance of piracy. Itunes proved it. And keep your legacy programs as distributed MP3.

Further,  that base has fascinating advertising potential. From The Med and surf boards in California to Fish and Chips and neighborhood pub  in Britain to Vegemite in Australia, I would laugh.....The resort in Nicaragua....

In turn those independently produced shows could be licensed to AM radio and even Sirius...

Your canvass. Your art. Your way. Art Bell.

Meet you out there Art...
At the Edge of Experience...
Raging in the Night...

Yeah. I am getting that distant feeling that maybe this is for the best. If you stream from your own site you will have complete and utter control. Freedom. Since you dont need the money why the heck not. I will pay a monthly fee to listen. I love to support artists. I like this way better.  Sirius can go suck eggs. In fact i just may cancel them altogether out of spite.

laserjock

Listening to the Pahrump station, their mix of music is fascinating, it's almost like Art's bumper music choices. 

420desert

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on November 09, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
The compensation is what you get as part of the contract, aka a job and whatever benefits package that comes with (salary, medical plan, retirement plan, etc).  I've had to sign non competes before as well, they have them for lots of different jobs.  In some places they are not enforceable by law, but they are in most places.

So basically, he has to wait the 2 years out, or they have to agree to release him from that particular clause of the contract.  He could try to take it to court and fight it on the basis that he has no other means of making an income, but it probably wouldn't work.

I don't get it. If you're working and getting paid by a company, you obviously aren't in competition, hence why need a non-compete? If you aren't getting paid, what possible right do they have to your skills? The only times I've heard of a non-compete is at the time of severance, where they pay out to have you sign non-competes and waivers.

It seems to me that a contract would have to be guaranteed for a non-compete to be in good faith.
For at-will employment, I just don't see how it is anything but extortion. So if you sign a 2-year non-compete and the company fires you after a month, you are fu****?

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