Steve Warner's Dark City

[littlechris]

Duh...for some reason I thought you did it live and then posted it on Soundcloud...sorry...I bet you could do some really good open lines...well, maybe one day...

Yeah Steve, you should go live every once in a while and do open lines without screening calls.

[popple]

I think it's super awesome Shaun was able to listen to Art back in the day while locked up. And he requested his parents to send him books from guests he heard 

"The other guy, I think his name is Dave Noorie" HAHAHAHAHA! Steve.

[pyewacket]

Wow Steve, great show! I finally caught you on DMDN. Thank you for going the extra mile to get this show up and on for tonight. Dark City is another reason to look forward to Fridays. 

[akwilly]

Well, I've got a movie to watch this weekend


https://youtu.be/VW4XO-52ubE

That movie kinda sucked in my opinion

[popple]

Really?  I don't want it to suck. Why did it suck?

[bateman]

I think it's super awesome Shaun was able to listen to Art back in the day while locked up. And he requested his parents to send him books from guests he heard 

"The other guy, I think his name is Dave Noorie" HAHAHAHAHA! Steve.

Heh. 

Wow Steve, great show! I finally caught you on DMDN. Thank you for going the extra mile to get this show up and on for tonight. Dark City is another reason to look forward to Fridays. 

Thank yeewww. I'm glad I stayed up to finish it, I would've been miserable all weekend otherwise.

[bateman]

Agreed, I've only heard 2 shows and thought he was a great host. Seems to have the talent to take calls. I listen to sports talk on sirius all the time and Bateman kinda has the vibe of Patrick Meagher.

Hmm, haven't heard Patrick Meagher, but thanks.

[albrecht]

That movie kinda sucked in my opinion

Same. I was SOOOO hoping it would be good. But sucked. Again, the real beats Hollywood. I will, at least, give them credit to try (which is rare.) But no dice. But, then again, no way to really get to it in a Hollywood movie with the length, edits, 'people', etc.
ps: I did not listen to the most awesome show on radio tonight (DarkWeekendCity) but I will soon! And if Bateman handled the Octupus; I can't. Wait. And he might be found dead in his bathtub. Kidding, Steve!!! I love your stuff. And will download and comment. (if you didn't get into the PROMIS/INSLAW stuff!) You might have but I haven't listened so excuse me.

[akwilly]

Really?  I don't want it to suck. Why did it suck?

I seem to remember that it was slower moving than the preview suggests. Also didn't really feel for the main guy. He seemed to kinda shit on his family. Also think the ending didn't give much closure. But that being said it was a while ago that I saw it so can't really tell you what made it so forgetable.

[albrecht]

I seem to remember that it was slower moving than the preview suggests. Also didn't really feel for the main guy. He seemed to kinda shit on his family. Also think the ending didn't give much closure. But that being said it was a while ago that I saw it so can't really tell you what made it so forgetable.

The real guy and the real story is the deal. If you look around you get some more things. The personalities and Hollywood kill it. Not saying all true,and lots, lots, false, but he was getting to stuff. BCCI, INSLAW, and I could go on.....

[akwilly]

The real guy and the real story is the deal. If you look around you get some more things. The personalities and Hollywood kill it. Not saying all true,and lots, lots, false, but he was getting to stuff. BCCI, INSLAW, and I could go on.....

very true. The dvd I rented didn't have squat for special features which was probably the worst part of it.

[bateman]

Show's up at darkcity.fm. Thanks, ya'll.

[popple]

It's crazy how when they started ecstasy was so unknown/rare that they would get through the airports no problem. They would have the pills in medicine bottles and no one even blinked 

[ShayP]

I think it's super awesome Shaun was able to listen to Art back in the day while locked up. And he requested his parents to send him books from guests he heard 

"The other guy, I think his name is Dave Noorie" HAHAHAHAHA! Steve.

Just listened to the show.  Very very good.   

The Dave Noory reference cracked me up.  So 'matter of fact'.     Plus it was pretty cool to let the guy announce that Art's show was coming up. 

Well done Steve. 

[popple]

HAHA! I loved the Dave bit. Shaun just accepted it after Steve fake corrected him 

[Spinner]

Great show, Steve!
I particularly enjoyed Shaun Atwood's interview. Learned a lot of things I had no idea about, and that's always a good thing.

Looking forward to next week's show.

[cweb]

What an enjoyable episode! Split format that flew by! Second show in a row with an especially memorable ending, too.

I like how Josh tapped (PUN INTENDED) into one of the lesser-known aspect of paranormal phenomena: the food. I am a bit disappointed, Steve, that you did not put out a request out over the airwaves for your favorite liquor should otherworldly beings decide to borrow you for a bit... 

Shaun's interview highlighted once again why the War on Drugs isn't working. Knowing someone who spent time in a county prison, the trade of goods (some illegal) certainly goes on. And there are definitely guards "in the know." This being a lower-volume facility, there was actually less racial tension than what Shaun described. However, the disdain for prisoners who had certain types of offenses seems to be universal among inmates.

Knowing someone else who was heavily into synthetic marijuana for a short time, I can totally see how legalization of the real thing would help. Kids are smoking the fake stuff, which in many cases is whatever poisons the makers toyed with, causing permanent damage to themselves. Yes, the jury is still out on cannibis, but seeing how my friend reacted to the real versus the fake highlights the fact that marijuana's marquee effects aren't solely caused by THC.

I would slightly disagree with the statement that MDMA isn't that harmful. It is among several drugs that can permanently damage the brain, from the first go. While I advocate the rights to use whatever a person wants, I think we as a society need to be more honest as to the cons (and pros) of certain substances.

Once again, a great show. And thanks for adding two more books to my "make some damn time to read these" list. I still gotta crack Roger Stone's JFK book, for godsakes! 

[wr250]

Knowing someone else who was heavily into synthetic marijuana for a short time, I can totally see how legalization of the real thing would help. Kids are smoking the fake stuff, which in many cases is whatever poisons the makers toyed with, causing permanent damage to themselves. Yes, the jury is still out on cannibis, but seeing how my friend reacted to the real versus the fake highlights the fact that marijuana's marquee effects aren't solely caused by THC.

not according to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0

[bateman]

I would slightly disagree with the statement that MDMA isn't that harmful. It is among several drugs that can permanently damage the brain, from the first go. While I advocate the rights to use whatever a person wants, I think we as a society need to be more honest as to the cons (and pros) of certain substances.

Doing too much of anything is a bad thing, no doubt, but most people can enjoy MDMA with limited side effects, if any at all. This was the Peter Jennings special I referenced:


https://youtu.be/DNpFqJcJcps

Part about brain effects starts around 25:00. Conclusion of a German study in 2003: "The U.S. government's claim that ecstasy causes devastating, irreversible brain damage is a dramatic exaggeration of the risks."

[bateman]

Just listened to the show.  Very very good.   

The Dave Noory reference cracked me up.  So 'matter of fact'.     Plus it was pretty cool to let the guy announce that Art's show was coming up. 

Well done Steve. 

Thank yeeewwww. 

[bateman]

What an enjoyable episode! Split format that flew by! Second show in a row with an especially memorable ending, too.

I like how Josh tapped (PUN INTENDED) into one of the lesser-known aspect of paranormal phenomena: the food. I am a bit disappointed, Steve, that you did not put out a request out over the airwaves for your favorite liquor should otherworldly beings decide to borrow you for a bit... 

Thanks! And you know, that's a good point. I'd be down to have a glass of bourbon with some greys.

[bateman]

Great show, Steve!
I particularly enjoyed Shaun Atwood's interview. Learned a lot of things I had no idea about, and that's always a good thing.

Looking forward to next week's show.

[albrecht]

Doing too much of anything is a bad thing, no doubt, but most people can enjoy MDMA with limited side effects, if any at all. This was the Peter Jennings special I referenced:


https://youtu.be/DNpFqJcJcps

Part about brain effects starts around 25:00. Conclusion of a German study in 2003: "The U.S. government's claim that ecstasy causes devastating, irreversible brain damage is a dramatic exaggeration of the risks."

Moderation is likely the key. And also when an adult. Too much, too soon comes to mind when a person is developing and whose brain and body is already crazy with chemicals! But, frankly, I'm more worried about all the "crap" out there that the kids (and others) are using because of crazy drug laws. So much stuff now "synthetic" "bath salts" etc coming from totally unregulated labs in China/India. I'm not saying "natural" is good- but at least we know more about it. The new stuff, even if legal, is mysterious. With marijuana certainly more natural the better. Not saying good but at least a known entity and not as bad as other stuff (including legal stuff.) Heck even "hard drugs" are safer if not stepped on or adulterated. In a legal market there would be less adulterants and stepping it with whatever is on-hand (broken light-bulb glass in Amsterdam coke comes to mind) in drugs and less "bad chemistry" from foreign actors. And actually I've seen positive aspects for full-on government support for giving junkies a fix. It sucks, and horrible, but tends to lessen crime and disease. But if I was the PLA I would be supporting this crap though of the new drugs being shipped here from Chinese labs (maybe they are?) Undermine our country, destroy youth, etc.

[wr250]

when i take X i tend to watch this

[onan]

Doing too much of anything is a bad thing, no doubt, but most people can enjoy MDMA with limited side effects, if any at all. This was the Peter Jennings special I referenced:


https://youtu.be/DNpFqJcJcps

Part about brain effects starts around 25:00. Conclusion of a German study in 2003: "The U.S. government's claim that ecstasy causes devastating, irreversible brain damage is a dramatic exaggeration of the risks."

The government (whatever that means) pretty much gets all information about illicit drugs, wrong. I remember reading a compendium of information (forget the book title) that enumerated every illicit drug and the claims the government experts stated compared to data from studies. In every case the government overstated, misused, obfuscated, or just simply lied about the data.

That being said, we are special snowflakes when discussing thought and perception altering substances. Some people can drink a bottle of jack a night for 30 years and have no remarkable impact, others, just the opposite after only months of drinking. It seems a majority of people can smoke or ingest marijuana with no long term effects, yet some (a small number by comparison) develop psychosis that can take several weeks to months to "cure."

Moderation is always a good idea, however, sometimes caution might be the best approach.

[cweb]

Doing too much of anything is a bad thing, no doubt, but most people can enjoy MDMA with limited side effects, if any at all. This was the Peter Jennings special I referenced:
...
Part about brain effects starts around 25:00. Conclusion of a German study in 2003: "The U.S. government's claim that ecstasy causes devastating, irreversible brain damage is a dramatic exaggeration of the risks."

Never really considered that the scans could be using a "Hoagland" kind of science. And I've personally, erm, refuted some of the "evidence" on other drugs given to us as kids by the law enforcement community. My reaction was a bit quick, based on my own avoidance of this type of drug. On another listen, it's apparent that Shaun is trying to help kids understand the dangers of abusing drugs- which is all my comment was really about. Kids don't listen anyway but the best we can do is advocate care, moderation, and open dialogue to try and tilt the scales away from abuse.

Also, Peter Jennings was a badass. I miss that man. We lost him too soon, sadly enough, to smoking.

[albrecht]

The government (whatever that means) pretty much gets all information about illicit drugs, wrong. I remember reading a compendium of information (forget the book title) that enumerated every illicit drug and the claims the government experts stated compared to data from studies. In every case the government overstated, misused, obfuscated, or just simply lied about the data.


Moderation is always a good idea, however, sometimes caution might be the best approach.

And the government/schools end up hurting their cause because the kids know much of the scare tactics are lies. Kid takes a drag off a joint and nothing bad happens. Then it is possible he can think "shit they lied to me about weed" maybe they are lying about x,y,z and try harder stuff. The criminality also introduces non-drug problems into his world (drug dealers, going to bad parts of town, adulterated or fake drugs, etc) and also forces people to lie to their doctors or not seek help if they have a problem because they don't want it in the record, their insurance company or employer to know, etc. Stuff should be legalized or decriminalized and treated as a health problem; not as a crime.

[zeebo]

And the government/schools end up hurting their cause because the kids know much of the scare tactics are lies. Kid takes a drag off a joint and nothing bad happens. Then it is possible he can think "shit they lied to me about weed" maybe they are lying about x,y,z and try harder stuff. ...

Good point here.  I remember in health class just hearing about all the potential downsides, without a more balanced approach that honestly explains why people do them in the first place.  So they kind of lose credibility that way, which means people just tune them out.

[albrecht]

Good point here.  I remember in health class just hearing about all the potential downsides, without a more balanced approach that honestly explains why people do them in the first place.  So they kind of lose credibility that way, which means people just tune them out.

Who knows? Maybe it will change at some point. But like with booze. Instead of a sane, moderate approach we treat it like a bogeyman. Got to be 21 (now, used to be younger!) Why? Instead of moderate approach; having some wine over dinner and few pops at the ball game- it is a taboo and something to be guzzled in a field and then drive home and hope mom and dad don't catch you. An aside; I recall asking some Germans "when is last call?" and getting perplexed looks. And I explained "when do they cut us off and shut the doors?" Again, odd looks, until one said, basically, uh, you can drink til whenever you want but we are going home in a bit. But the American/British system, raising, Puritanical legacy, or whatever encourages "maximizing" and over-doing (and then shaming in a way) instead of common-sense. So "last call" becomes quick order more. Younger people need to "hide" or commit crimes to have a drink (and then because illegal will likely over-do it or buy more 'bang for buck' cheap stuff. And often drive; which is another danger.) Weird, archaic blue laws and what not. I have not been to England since the changes in opening times; though I admit in my younger days I was saved by pub closing times....still there is some weird cultural thing in the Anglo-American countries that doesn't make logical sense.

[morgana213]

When I was young I remember reading government propaganda that if a person took acid they would experience recurring flashbacks as one of the dangerous side effects.  I took acid a long time ago and have yet to experience a flashback. I'm quite disappointed!

It was a very good show Bateman!  Thanks again!