Steve Warner's Dark City

[cweb]

Great show! My birthday is coming up in a few months, so maybe there'll be some Mucklestone in it for me. 

I totally agree with your recurring point about how it does NOT make sense to not follow up the SR-71. One excuse for no follow-up could be "well, our satellites can take pictures." Firstly, satellites can have difficulty with areas experiencing poor weather conditions. Second, how does one service such a device if it breaks and the window to shoot photographs is small? (Use the secret space program, right? Heheh)

The SR-71 was "retired" in 1998. I understand that the military is always at least a step ahead in technology. But how good was satellite imagery really when the government gave the heave-ho to the Blackbird?

All along its history, the Air Force (and friends) were continuously developing the "next step" in regards to fighters and bombers. (To varying degrees of success, of course.) It makes zero sense to say they haven't done this with spy planes either.

[Heather Wade]

Remove all U2 from your bumpers.  Bono is a fucking asshole.   
Dark Weekend is too good for that crap they call music.

Anywho, next show this Sunday?    

[wr250]

Remove all U2 from your bumpers.  Bono is a fucking asshole.   
Dark Weekend is too good for that crap they call music.

agreed.

[bateman]

Remove all U2 from your bumpers.  Bono is a fucking asshole.   
Dark Weekend is too good for that crap they call music.

Anywho, next show this Sunday?    

He's a mega douche, but they have a few good songs here & there.

Speaking of bumpers, I found this gem today... 

http://youtu.be/a_dIYr1qI7I

And yes, nailing down a time with this weekend's guest.

[bateman]

Great show! My birthday is coming up in a few months, so maybe there'll be some Mucklestone in it for me. 

Worth every penny. 

I totally agree with your recurring point about how it does NOT make sense to not follow up the SR-71. One excuse for no follow-up could be "well, our satellites can take pictures." Firstly, satellites can have difficulty with areas experiencing poor weather conditions. Second, how does one service such a device if it breaks and the window to shoot photographs is small? (Use the secret space program, right? Heheh)

The SR-71 was "retired" in 1998. I understand that the military is always at least a step ahead in technology. But how good was satellite imagery really when the government gave the heave-ho to the Blackbird?

All along its history, the Air Force (and friends) were continuously developing the "next step" in regards to fighters and bombers. (To varying degrees of success, of course.) It makes zero sense to say they haven't done this with spy planes either.

Yeah, the bottom line is this: SR71 served a couple of valuable functions, and this hole can't be plugged with satellites alone. We aren't the only people that know that.

I've had very informed people tell me there is no "Aurora" but I just don't buy it. It's more illogical to think that it doesn't exist. Ty Rogoway says that all the money went to "low and slow" persistent recon, but I think there are enough clues that point to, at the very least, development of an SR71 successor.

Check this out. Weather satellite photograph shows a contrail out of Groom Lake - speed is in excess of 8,000 mph. The guy in the video is Nick Cook of Jane's Defense, not some drooling lunatic. Bill Sweetman of Aviation Week is another Aurora "believer".

http://youtu.be/KgCXupNrwHM

:47

[b_dubb]

Why is Bono a douche?

[bateman]

Why is Bono a douche?

Pretentious, sanctimonious, and I get the impression he's more interested in looking like he's doing something than actually doing something. He also seems to have appointed himself Ambassador to Africa.

http://youtu.be/B9t1THQWKAY

[albrecht]

Pretentious, sanctimonious, and I get the impression he's more interested in looking like he's doing something than actually doing something. He also seems to have appointed himself Ambassador to Africa.

http://youtu.be/B9t1THQWKAY

As I recall, like many a limousine liberal, he pulled some interesting tax-dodges via legal corporate and personal obfuscation in Ireland even whilst promoting all his debt-relief and Africa stuff. Hey, I like anyone who can "work the system". Less taxes paid the better. Starve the beast and all that. But not when the people claim to be so critical of "capitalism", or of rich people (and they are multimillionaires), or of our countries, etc. I forget the details but there was press and some protests about it. U2 had a few good songs but, eh, move on to better stuff.

ps: your show needs to be longer! Some questions/subjects left unanswered in every show. Though I also like being focused and not having to drone-on just to make the time slot work. Keep up the good work.

[Heather Wade]

Why is Bono a douche?

If you are fortunate enough to ever work with him on tour, you must follow the rule he sets that only his fellow band members may make eye contact with him.  Break this rule, you are fired, and left in whatever city they just happen to be in at that time. 
That way, he doesn't have to notice the dogshit crew that make everything happen.   

I would say more but, I respect this thread.   

[b_dubb]

You've seen this first hand (Redacted)?

[bateman]

As I recall, like many a limousine liberal, he pulled some interesting tax-dodges via legal corporate and personal obfuscation in Ireland even whilst promoting all his debt-relief and Africa stuff. Hey, I like anyone who can "work the system". Less taxes paid the better. Starve the beast and all that. But not when the people claim to be so critical of "capitalism", or of rich people (and they are multimillionaires), or of our countries, etc. I forget the details but there was press and some protests about it.

Agree with all of this.

ps: your show needs to be longer! Some questions/subjects left unanswered in every show. Though I also like being focused and not having to drone-on just to make the time slot work. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, I'd like to do longer shows too, I just don't have the time at the moment. The home studio setup should add some flexibility though.

[Heather Wade]

You've seen this first hand (Redacted)?

Yes.

[b_dubb]

Yes.

Ok. Bono is a world class douchebag. 

[Catsmile]

Speaking of Bono, this may be related.
southparkstudios link is HD and uncensored.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s11e09-more-crap#beta-dialog-container


South Park "More Crap!" (Full Episode) Season 11 Episode 9

[popple]

Bono.... that guy who used to hitchhike in Vancouver?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/02/canada.bono.hitchhiking/

"I said no, we're not picking up a hitchhiker. We're going to die. There's no way"

[SciFiAuthor]

Worth every penny. 
Yeah, the bottom line is this: SR71 served a couple of valuable functions, and this hole can't be plugged with satellites alone. We aren't the only people that know that.

I've had very informed people tell me there is no "Aurora" but I just don't buy it. It's more illogical to think that it doesn't exist. Ty Rogoway says that all the money went to "low and slow" persistent recon, but I think there are enough clues that point to, at the very least, development of an SR71 successor.

Check this out. Weather satellite photograph shows a contrail out of Groom Lake - speed is in excess of 8,000 mph. The guy in the video is Nick Cook of Jane's Defense, not some drooling lunatic. Bill Sweetman of Aviation Week is another Aurora "believer".

http://youtu.be/KgCXupNrwHM

:47

Still enjoying your show Bateman. There's actually enough out there now to prove that the government acted on your reasoning regarding the loss of the SR-71's capabilities. A document was declassified around 2006 originating from the Rand corporation in the 90's that describes the successes and failures of a test of a space plane specifically as a replacement for the capabilities of the SR-71. They knew there was a hole in capability. The report states that two of the planes failed to reach orbit, however the third was successful. Apparently development continued on how to stealth these aircraft, so where this program is now is anyone's guess. Presumably it's the rumored aircraft called "Blackstar" colloquially, but it could also be "Aurora".

Both might also be the same plane, but the discrepancy between the knotted contrails (PDE engine) and more standard contrails (something else) suggests that we had two secret aircraft that replaced the SR-71 in development. Also the British MOD has declassified a report suggesting that UAP sightings in their coastal airspace could partly be explained by the SR-71, and two redacted most likely American aircraft.

It's in the data, Jorch, just look at the data.

[SciFiAuthor]

Oh and in regards to the weather satellite contrail video. That's actually quite revealing, because it rules out a space plane. 8000 MPH is not enough to achieve orbit, as the Rand document claims that specific aircraft did. Assuming that the space plane needs to be as close to the ground for observation as possible, it would need to attain LEO speeds, i.e. around 17,500 MPH, basically the speed of the typical Space Shuttle mission. Plus, if you saw a space plane from orbit, its speed would be increasing to reach orbit. This one was apparently constant at 8000 MPH is far too slow for space, meaning that it had to be an aircraft within the atmosphere. Again, this suggests that two secret aircraft exist instead of one.

[b_dubb]

Yes.

Was it the Zoo TV tour? Because as I understand it they basically lost their shirts on that tour. Nothing like financial to turn someone douchebag

[cweb]

Oh and in regards to the weather satellite contrail video. That's actually quite revealing, because it rules out a space plane. 8000 MPH is not enough to achieve orbit, as the Rand document claims that specific aircraft did. Assuming that the space plane needs to be as close to the ground for observation as possible, it would need to attain LEO speeds, i.e. around 17,500 MPH, basically the speed of the typical Space Shuttle mission. Plus, if you saw a space plane from orbit, its speed would be increasing to reach orbit. This one was apparently constant at 8000 MPH is far too slow for space, meaning that it had to be an aircraft within the atmosphere. Again, this suggests that two secret aircraft exist instead of one.

Excellent point! I had not considered this.

Is it possible that, along with the convenience factor, the USAF allowed the SR-71 to enter NASA service so they could blame away strange sightings and contrails by saying "oh, that's just an old SR-71" when lesser-informed folk (like myself) aroused suspicion? So they could basically test their new plane and blame any sightings or noises on the old plane?

[onan]

Oh and in regards to the weather satellite contrail video. That's actually quite revealing, because it rules out a space plane. 8000 MPH is not enough to achieve orbit, as the Rand document claims that specific aircraft did. Assuming that the space plane needs to be as close to the ground for observation as possible, it would need to attain LEO speeds, i.e. around 17,500 MPH, basically the speed of the typical Space Shuttle mission. Plus, if you saw a space plane from orbit, its speed would be increasing to reach orbit. This one was apparently constant at 8000 MPH is far too slow for space, meaning that it had to be an aircraft within the atmosphere. Again, this suggests that two secret aircraft exist instead of one.

This is only true if a portal isn't used.

[Yorkshire pud]

Excellent point! I had not considered this.

Is it possible that, along with the convenience factor, the USAF allowed the SR-71 to enter NASA service so they could blame away strange sightings and contrails by saying "oh, that's just an old SR-71" when lesser-informed folk (like myself) aroused suspicion? So they could basically test their new plane and blame any sightings or noises on the old plane?

I've posted it elsewhere on here, but I saw an arrowhead shaped thing over Manchester England about 7 years ago. Sunny day and I was lying on my back in a park, watching the planes approaching Manchester airport with a few at high altitude on the usual routes. I noticed a dark shaped plane at least twice the altitude of the usual traffic. Moving east to west. It covered the sky in a few seconds with the same contrail described in the video.

[Treading Water]

Ok. Bono is a world class douchebag.

The guy who told Salman Rushdie he could hide out at his place then went on TV to tell the world how he was fearing for his life because he was hiding someone with a price on his head?  Yeah, I'd question anything this guy does. 

Does Justin Bieber hang out with him? 

[WildCard]

The guy who told Salman Rushdie he could hide out at his place then went on TV to tell the world how he was fearing for his life because he was hiding someone with a price on his head?  Yeah, I'd question anything this guy does. 

Does Justin Bieber hang out with him?

I didn't know that. Was this before he<Rushdie> apologized? If so - cool!

Did Bono start out as a douche or did fame and stuff turn him into one?

[Heather Wade]

Was it the Zoo TV tour? Because as I understand it they basically lost their shirts on that tour. Nothing like financial to turn someone douchebag

Vertigo '05.  ...aaaand Back to the topic at hand... Dark Weekend rules.

[WildCard]

Vertigo '05.  ...aaaand Back to the topic at hand... Dark Weekend rules.

haHA.

Yeah, we're not off topic.
Steve Warner's Dark Weekend
www.darkweekend.com/

Sorry Steve.
But what is it about your thread that attracts these screwballs.
I believe the fault may lie with you, sir.

[Yorkshire pud]

haHA.

Yeah, we're not off topic.
Steve Warner's Dark Weekend
www.darkweekend.com/

Sorry Steve.
But what is it about your thread that attracts these screwballs.
I believe the fault may lie with you, sir.

He's been reported.

[Bart Ell]

This post is brought to you by J.P.Mucklestone - Purveyors of What You Wear Under There.

[SciFiAuthor]

Excellent point! I had not considered this.

Is it possible that, along with the convenience factor, the USAF allowed the SR-71 to enter NASA service so they could blame away strange sightings and contrails by saying "oh, that's just an old SR-71" when lesser-informed folk (like myself) aroused suspicion? So they could basically test their new plane and blame any sightings or noises on the old plane?

It's entirely possible that went through their minds, though the NASA service did have legit uses. But, sure, you simply have NASA operate its SR-71 in the general area where you'll be testing your Aurora and if anyone notices, blame it on the SR-71 and have a chat with a few aircraft controllers that they should keep their mouths shut.  I think the SR-71's have been retired from NASA now too, so the current sightings now are something else.

I should note too that we didn't just lose the capability of the SR-71, but also the capability of the space shuttle. A lot of people don't realize it, but the shuttles were used regularly in espionage in the 80's. It may simply be that the Aurora replaces the SR-71 and Blackstar was developed to replace the shuttle after the Challenger accident threatened to shut the shuttles down.

[bateman]

This post is brought to you by J.P.Mucklestone - Purveyors of What You Wear Under There.

Jazmunda keeps sending "audition photos" to be the spokesmodel. It's gotten kind of embarrassing really.

[SciFiAuthor]

This is only true if a portal isn't used.

What if the portal had a computer? Amashzing.