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Quote from: wotr1 on December 01, 2013, 05:10:17 PMI am probably too late... I would like to know if he has been contacted directly or if he works with any "contactees" to provide support for his theories or help develop them. I do not think I have ever heard him reference direct contact (though I could be wrong, and if the question is something he has answered and I should already know, please ignore it.)I will actually have to tune in. Hoagland on Coast was a bore and I usually turned the radio off. Hoagland with Art proved that his performance can be influenced by the host.
Quote from: bateman on December 01, 2013, 05:51:40 PM25 mins left. Next segment is Q&A.
Quote from: jazmunda on December 01, 2013, 05:54:09 PMAre you taking live calls?
Quote from: bateman on December 01, 2013, 06:23:24 PMI should have. That was a WILD two hours. I did ask a couple of your questions, we got into his work at CBS too, so for people wondering about his background, we did get into that. He goes SO fast it's hard to get things in sometimes, but it was a "lively" back & forth. I think you guys will love this one.
Quote from: bateman on December 01, 2013, 07:25:27 PMThank yeeewww! Even Hoagland said I 'really did my homework' so I'm glad that it sounds that way. It'll air next Saturday night at 10.
Quote from: gringomisio on December 01, 2013, 08:35:43 PMDoes darkweekend.com or darkweekend.net load on anyone's mobile? I've got a nexus 4 chrome and it just has a spinner that says loading. Also, can someone provide the podcast RSS link to the show? Thanks!
Quote from: nika01 on December 01, 2013, 08:28:58 PMWhy interview Hoagland? Seriously. What has he actually done of any importance? If there is something substantial, I would like to know about it. I have listened to him for years and have yet to hear one independently substantiated thing he has contributed. I know the excuse that AB gives, good radio. I think hogland muddies the water for the truly serious investigators.
Quote from: Miranda on December 01, 2013, 08:40:06 PMhttp://www.stationcaster.com/stations/wabc/rss/?c=14563
Quote from: Philosopher on December 01, 2013, 08:47:59 PMHe discovered:1. Data heads on the moon2. Giant crystalline caves on Mars3. The USA's secret space program4. NASA lies and cover-ups5. Ancient monuments spread across the solar systemBeat that.
Quote from: nika01 on December 01, 2013, 09:01:15 PMCant believe that anyone buys what he sells.
Quote from: jazmunda on December 01, 2013, 09:19:31 PMI must admit that I bought his book in the 90s prior to having seen the light and because I was fascinated with the face on Mars since I was a kid. It was nice toilet reading but would have been more useful as toilet paper.Having said that I thought his show on Dark Matter was one of the better DM shows even though I wasn't buying what he was selling or even seeing what he thought he saw in the photos. He can make for a very entertaining show. Perhaps that is the charm of a seasoned charlatan. Or maybe it might have helped that I listened to the second half of the show out in the country on a farm whilst lying in the grass looking up at a trillion stars on a clear night. I can't wait to hear Bateman's interview with him too. I'll be listening to that one in the dark with the lights turned out.
Quote from: Philosopher on December 01, 2013, 09:28:37 PMFor me, Hoagland is 99% entertainment factor and 1% science. As long as you keep a ratio like that he's a harmless distraction on a star-lit night in the country.
Quote from: nika01 on December 01, 2013, 09:30:43 PMWhat I cant figure out is whether be believes his own bullshit, or not.
Quote from: Philosopher on December 01, 2013, 09:32:26 PMHard to know. It pays the bills so that's a motivation to convey a perception of belief.
Quote from: nika01 on December 01, 2013, 09:41:54 PMmust make it hard to look in the mirror.The bug that has crawled up my ass is that all of the intentional pseudoscience makes it really hard for ethical fringe scientists. This is what I have against most of the purveyors of science fiction as fact. Lord know there is enough fakery in the hard sciences.
Quote from: Philosopher on December 01, 2013, 09:48:27 PMInteresting, you're suggesting that true scientists who are pushing the theoretical envelope tend to be lumped in with pseudoscience practitioners. I also have an issue with the title "scientist" thrown around like anyone can wake up one day and proclaim themselves to be a scientist. How about earning a Ph.D. first, then start claiming one is a scientist.
QuoteVollmann worked odd jobs, including as a secretary at an insurance company, and saved up enough money to go to Afghanistan in 1982. His experiences traveling with the mujahideen, then engaged in warfare with the Soviet Union, inspired his first non-fiction book, An Afghanistan Picture Show, or, How I Saved the World, which was not published until 1992.Upon his return to the USA, Vollmann started work as a computer programmer; he had virtually no experience with computers. According to a New York Times Magazine profile by the novelist Madison Smartt Bell, for a year Vollmann wrote much of his first novel, You Bright and Risen Angels, after hours on office computers, and subsisted on candy bars from vending machines and hiding from the janitorial staff.In addition to full-length (and notably lengthy) books, Vollmann has written articles and had stories published in Harper's, Playboy, Conjunctions, Spin Magazine, Esquire, The New Yorker, Gear, and Granta. He has also contributed to The New York Times Book Review. Vollmann identifies as a "hack journalist;" he often does travel writing and reportage while doing research for his larger fiction or non-fiction projects. Both genres have a hybridized and journalistic feel.[according to whom?]In November 2003 (after many delays), his book Rising Up and Rising Down was published. It is a 3,300-page, heavily illustrated, seven-volume treatise on violence. It was nominated for the National Book Critics Circle Award. A single-volume condensed version was published at the end of the following year by Ecco Press. Vollmann justified the abridgment, saying, "I did it for the money." Rising Up and Rising Down represents more than 20 years of work in which he tries to establish a moral calculus to consider the causes, effects, and ethics of violence. Vollmann based it on his reporting from places of warfare, including Cambodia, Somalia, and Iraq.Vollmann's other works often deal with the settlement of North America (as in Seven Dreams: A Book of North American Landscapes, a cycle of seven novels); or stories of people (often prostitutes) on the margins of war, poverty, and hope. His novel Europe Central (2005) follows the trajectories of a wide range of characters (including the Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich) caught up in the fighting between Germany and the Soviet Union. It won the 2005 National Book Award for Fiction.In 2008, Vollmann was awarded a five-year fellowship/grant from the Strauss Living Award, which provides $50,000 a year, tax free. In 2009, Vollmann published Imperial, a nonfiction account of life in Imperial County, California, on the border of Mexico. In 2010, Vollmann published a critical study of Japanese Noh Theater, entitled Kissing the Mask: Beauty, Understatement, and Femininity in Japanese Noh Theater.As of 2007, Vollmann was writing ghost and supernatural stories for a collection to be published by Viking ("Widowâ€™s Weeds" was published in AGNI #66 in 2007). He was also working on the fourth and fifth volumes of the Seven Dreams series. In interviews, he has mentioned a book about abortion called The Shame of Our Youth, as well as a study on rape cases in court.Vollmann's papers were acquired by the Rare Books & Manuscripts Library of Ohio State University.In Harper's Magazine (September 2013), Vollmann details his discovery, following a Freedom of Information Act (United States) request, that the FBI was watching him, and that he was suspected of being a domestic terrorist.
Quote from: wotr1 on December 02, 2013, 04:26:18 AMI have a bit of a problem with this. Who gets to decide what is pseudoscience, what is an ethical fringe science and what is "legitimate" science. Please do not get me wrong... I think it is safe to say that Hoagland is mostly entertainment. The problem comes when somebody decides that he should not be allowed to represent himself as presenting science (again, I do not think that he really presents science that can / should be taken too seriously.) If you want proven science, look to something peer reviewed and ignore the likes of RCH. I have the same issues with global warming science. It seems that everybody wants the right to tell those who they deem pseudo scientists to shut up (invariably those scientists who come down on the side that they do not agree with.) Hoaglands science is one area where the victims are almost non-existent (vs. Coast putting on medical quacks.) Even if somebody actually believes that the face on Mars is located at 19.5 degrees from the sun which proves the life forms took off on an asteroid, who cares?I hate to be the black cloud on the forum, but take away all of the Hoaglands of the world and the "ethical fringe scientists" that you refer to are still going to be laughed at, shunned and ignored. The fact is that the "old guard" that you refer to, in all areas, has a vested interest to see that their thoughts and theories remain relevant.