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Kurt Cobain Myth...

Started by Mels-hole1984, October 27, 2013, 01:18:16 PM


ItsOver

I thing somebody on the grassy knoll took him out.

Mels-hole1984

Quote from: ItsOver on October 27, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
I thing somebody on the grassy knoll took him out.

Agreed. His name was Courtney Love.

onan

bipolar disorder and drugs... sounds like teen spirit suicide

Mels-hole1984

Quote from: onan on October 27, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
bipolar disorder and drugs... sounds like teen spirit suicide

Heroin doesn't make you want to kill yourself. There needs to be more of an explanation.

onan

Quote from: Mels-hole1984 on October 27, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Heroin doesn't make you want to kill yourself. There needs to be more of an explanation.

Heroin users are 14 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.

Bipolar disorder can bring on severe depression, which can promote suicidal ideation. Heroin is a depressant that can very easily exacerbate any depression. If you wish to conclude it was other than a suicide, that is your perogative. With the act being ten years ago, good luck getting any relevant evidence.


Mels-hole1984

Quote from: onan on October 27, 2013, 06:13:38 PM
Heroin users are 14 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.

Bipolar disorder can bring on severe depression, which can promote suicidal ideation. Heroin is a depressant that can very easily exacerbate any depression. If you wish to conclude it was other than a suicide, that is your perogative. With the act being ten years ago, good luck getting any relevant evidence.

I can appreciate the validity in facts, I still think Courtney Love had him killed.

Foodlion

I saw the documentary, and I've seen enough of Courtney hate to know that she was at least in some way responsible.

onan

Quote from: Mels-hole1984 on October 27, 2013, 06:19:32 PM


I can appreciate the validity in facts, I still think Courtney Love had him killed.

I know little of the actual events. And as candid as I can be, anytime there are drugs, unstable relationships, unaccountable behaviors, and rich spoiled "children" anything is possible.

Mels-hole1984

Quote from: Foodlion on October 27, 2013, 06:22:21 PM
I saw the documentary, and I've seen enough of Courtney hate to know that she was at least in some way responsible.

Which one?

Mels-hole1984

Quote from: onan on October 27, 2013, 06:25:49 PM
I know little of the actual events. And as candid as I can be, anytime there are drugs, unstable relationships, unaccountable behaviors, and rich spoiled "children" anything is possible.

There were many factors that come into play with this story..."spoiled rich kid" was definitely not one of them.

onan

Quote from: Mels-hole1984 on October 27, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
There were many factors that come into play with this story..."spoiled rich kid" was definitely not one of them.

k, might not have been born rich, but

QuoteKurt Cobain Net Worth: Kurt Cobain was an American musician and artist who had a net worth of $100 million dollars. Kurt Cobain was the co-founder, lead singer, and songwriter for the very successful and influential rock band, Nirvana, which sold 25 million albums in the US and 50 million internationally. He passed away from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in 1994.

Cynnie

Quote from: onan on October 27, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
bipolar disorder and drugs... sounds like teen spirit suicide

And men are more likely to use a gun in suicide .
I think he killed himself

ksm32

Short guy, long gun.

Heroin is a killer, one way or another. Although, it does seem like he had so much more left to say in his songs... so hmm. I don't know, and neither do we.

Theory: Perhaps Dokken and a bunch of LA hair bands were just so pissed off about Seattle (him) stealing the scene.. Who knows.

BTW, I love Dokken, George Lynch is a motherFR of a guitar player.

shell88

I think he killed himself . He had been on a long self destructive path that begged for death. Many people saw it coming. Had it not been by gun, it would have been an overdose.
Too bad. He was a great musician.
Sadly, no suprises there- at least for me.

The last Nirvana track was released on the Beavis and Butthead soundtrack titled "I hate myself and want to die". Cobain wrote it.

area51drone

I think he killed himself.   SPD is not corrupt like that.  They will beat the shit out of people and kill them needlessly, but they do go after murders (aside from themselves).  If there were any inkling that Love had done it, they would have nailed her to the wall.

Zenof

2 words for you: Courtney Love

yumyumtree

Curt Cobain came from a blue collar background in Grays Harbor county, as far as I know. I understand that be was in chronic pain from a stomach problem that nobody seemed to be able to diagnose or fix. Courtney Love came from more of a trust fund background, I guess, if the book Queen of Noise is to be believed.
Far be it from me to be to defend C. Love, but I'm almost certain it was suicide. I think he had made a previous attempt and had recently purchased the weapon at a gun store in the Lake City neighborhood. He blew his head off in a garden shed on their property. The Seattle PI helpfully printed a picture of his feet. Even a paid assassin isn't going to do something that messy, I don't think. Courtney is a big anti-gunner, active in WA Ceasefire. At the risk of sounding mean, if one is to murder a junkie and make it look like suicide, the logical way is with drugs.

yumyumtree

I should say that she was active in WA Ceasefire when she lived here. She's been in LA for many years now.

Harmness


area51drone

Maybe if he had heard this, his life would have been different...

Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit (8 bit)

George Drooly

Quote from: onan on October 27, 2013, 06:13:38 PM
Heroin users are 14 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.

Bipolar disorder can bring on severe depression, which can promote suicidal ideation. Heroin is a depressant that can very easily exacerbate any depression. If you wish to conclude it was other than a suicide, that is your perogative. With the act being ten years ago, good luck getting any relevant evidence.

20 years ago, not ten

And of course he did it to himself. Almost all his later songs refer to suicide and self-loathing. He was a rampant drug user, with all the attendant physical and mental risks. History of failed suicide attempts. Pretty cut and dried.


onan

Quote from: George Drooly on November 04, 2013, 02:29:46 AM
20 years ago, not ten



Damn, you're right. I heard the first discussion about it on the Jim Bohannon show, when I was in Pittsburgh. That was more than 20 years ago... Time to start looking for a home.

Mels-hole1984

Quote from: George Drooly on November 04, 2013, 02:29:46 AM
20 years ago, not ten

And of course he did it to himself. Almost all his later songs refer to suicide and self-loathing. He was a rampant drug user, with all the attendant physical and mental risks. History of failed suicide attempts. Pretty cut and dried.

I've read every biography/journal that he wrote. I'm not going to deny the possibility was there. Suicide ran in his family. You will not find a bigger Nirvana fan than me. I'm sure I've heard all the songs, hundreds of times. The apathy is there. I've had countless arguments with other fans who disagree. I still think it was murder. Unless you can prove me otherwise.


Mels-hole1984

Quote from: onan on November 04, 2013, 03:33:44 AM
Damn, you're right. I heard the first discussion about it on the Jim Bohannon show, when I was in Pittsburgh. That was more than 20 years ago... Time to start looking for a home.

Hahaha

morphiaflow

This is one of only two conspiracy theories that I shamelessly subscribe to.

I believe that he was depressed, suicidal and not in his right mind around the time of his death.
I do not believe he chose the specific time and manner of his death.
I believe parties around him took advantage of his mental state and arranged his death for him, for their own advantage.

(If anyone is curious, the other one I subscribe to is the Oxfordian view of Shakesepeare authorship.)

I think he most likely killed himself. He was unable to cope with mega-stardom.  His physical health was horrible. He was, by his own account, in constant pain from an undiagnosed stomach aliment. His fellow band members noticed a significant change in his demeanor, as Cobain had literally retreated from any all relationships. Then, of course, the massive quantities of smack he was mainlining.

There is one thing that bothers me: no fingerprints on the shotgun.

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