Call 1-800-fUCKYO to sign up for Obamacare. No kidding.

[ItsOver]

Vacationing on Mars with Michael Jackson and Kenneth Lay.

"Sha-MO-NA!!!"

[Falkie2013]

WHY do you think I am so pissed off at not getting the check from my damned idiotic broker ?
I've had a blue screen marked on my Amazon wish list for months.
And no, I don't do green bedsheets even without a video camera.
Until I get a stand for it I wouldn't have anywhere to hang it.
But kindly remember that originally I was posting videos with my Iphone.
Like so much in life it takes time and money to do things.
Or technical expertise, of which I freely admit to not having on many things, while learning or seeking knowledge on others.
IMHO, I'm not stupid just behind on the learning curve on tech because I don't know many people off line to find out about stuff.
I am sitting here now waiting for the call from TD Ameritrade's corporate office which is supposed to come at 930 am my time. I got to listening that Pete Dominick and just decided not to go to sleep and wait up until I get the call and then later go down to the local brokerage branch and turn in their stupid form.
I guess its a government requirement or something to have to fill out a form to get money out of a self directed IRA. One of the other things I'm going to do with it is buy an actual video camera. I found one cheap on line.
Just got off the phone with the lady at corporate. I go down to the office in Walnut Creek and they'll have my check ready for me.
So, should I buy a blue screen backdrop or a green one ?

It will take a couple of days to get here once I order one then with the stand and all it will take some doing to find a place to put it.
Of course, I could go whole hog and buy the kit with lights and everything for around $60 or so ...

[NowhereInTime]

Did you just wake up one morning and decide that you were the Saddam Hussein of Political Thought in America?

Ever occur to you just how irrational you seem? You throw temper tantrums anytime anyone points out a flaw in your unbelievably skewed thinking or voices an opinion that dares not march in lockstep with your self-righteous determinations on History and Political & Social Philosophies, then you try to feign maturity with some transparent effort to seem rational right before or after your well-rehearsed list of ad-homonym invectives. And you flip out when someone gives you a teaspoon of your own medicine!

Honestly, sounds mentally unstable to me - no offense. I had you on ignore and hoped you would take the hint and return the courtesy. My mistake was expecting a degree of maturity and class from you.

It is frightening that there are people with your political and social malfunctions actually living and breathing in a county that was founded on Liberty.

What's next, you going to tell me your friends hate me too?

Back on ignore with you. Please do the same for me.

No, Rip Taylor, I hadn't realized this was your forum and you set the rules.  Amazing how you call people whores and retards then act all offended when you are served your own shitburger.
Saddam Hussein?   What the fuck are you carrying on about?!?
As of yet I have seen NO ONE point out any "flaw" in any of my arguments.  All I get back is a lot of hot air about Alinsky, Marx, and North Korea which is so obsolete, irrelevant , tiresome, and arcane that counter-arguments lack credibility.
I argue for people and dignity, you argue for property rights.  I ask for solutions as to how you might address issues and all you collective windbags do is wag condescending fingers and talk about reading books. I want a dialogue as to what it is you stand for and all I get back is declarations of how you are the only true patriots who stand for "liberty".  Liberty to do what, exactly?  You cry and scream about your "rights" being abridged as if this is the first time in American history this has happened.
Can you still travel at will in this country?  Own a gun? Vote for whomever you choose?  Choose any profession you'd like?  Own a boat if you want?  Listen to Art Bell instead of George Noory? Then what is it that is being abridged?  Your right to say stupid shit on the internet?  After reading your contributions throughout this forum, clearly not.
I don't care what you ignore or don't ignore you fop.  You keep making these preening statements about ignoring me then you respond to everything I say.  I'm your drug, baby.  I'm TRUTH and I am so sweet. Baby needs some sugar?
While you pretend to ignore me please feel free to ignore oxygen. Qunt.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  All I get back is a lot of hot air about Alinsky, Marx, and North Korea which is so obsolete, irrelevant , tiresome, and arcane that counter-arguments lack credibility

All we get from you are platitudes that were first given out by Marx, honed over the years, then perfected by Alinsky.  And you pretend like you aren't even aware of it.  Ideas don't die when their originators do.  But you'd have us think they do, now that more people are onto the Left and their goals.

These old tired Leftist platitudes can be used until eternity - the recent ones you've trotted out have been 'Justice' and 'Equal Opportunity' - knowing they are ideals that are unreachable in an imperfect world, knowing the United States had led the way in striving towards them for over 200 years.   

Yet using them against us, their imperfection as a reason to destroy what we have and create a new 'Utopia'.  With the Left in charge of course.

As far as comparisons with Mao's China and Stalin's Russia, that's where your ideas and policies lead.  Suggestions to visit North Korea are so you could see for yourself what imposed Equal Justice For All and Equal Opportunity look like.  Not to mention lack of property rights

..  I argue for people and dignity, you argue for property rights... Liberty to do what, exactly?  You cry and scream about your "rights" being abridged as if this is the first time in American history this has happened.

Can you still travel at will in this country?  Own a gun? Vote for whomever you choose?  Choose any profession you'd like?  Own a boat if you want?  Listen to Art Bell instead of George Noory? Then what is it that is being abridged?  Your right to say stupid shit on the internet?...

Yes, property rights are important.  We should own the product of our own labor.  With some small part used for taxes to pay for things like roads and public safety.  Without that right, none of the rest matter.  I would have thought someone who likes to rant about slavery would be with us on that one.  So apparently you'd take that right away, yet later in the very same post you want to know what rights are being taken.  Dang.

Travel, voting, owning a gun?   Only because the Left hasn't seized power permanently.  Your own posts suggest what would happen in that event.

Here's a few rights I'd like back:  privacy when it comes to what mail and email I send and receive, telephone calls I make and receive, internet sites I visit.  Or the right to choose what health insurance I want or don't want.  Or the right to carry a concealed weapon.  I could go on.

[PB the Deplorable]

The Chairperson of the National Democrat Party today announced that Democrats can run and win on ObamaCare in 2014.  The people whose seats are on the line in the election seem to disagree, so I guess this is just spin.

10 Democrat Senators signed a letter sent to Obama requesting a delay in ObamaCare today.  I guess, like Obama, they somehow had no idea there were problems with it when they were playing politics with the budget and the shutdown a week ago.

[NowhereInTime]

All we get from you are platitudes that were first given out by Marx, honed over the years, then perfected by Alinsky.  And you pretend like you aren't even aware of it.  Ideas don't die when their originators do.  But you'd have us think they do, now that more people are onto the Left and their goals.

These old tired Leftist platitudes can be used until eternity - the recent ones you've trotted out have been 'Justice' and 'Equal Opportunity' - knowing they are ideals that are unreachable in an imperfect world, knowing the United States had led the way in striving towards them for over 200 years.   

Yet using them against us, their imperfection as a reason to destroy what we have and create a new 'Utopia'.  With the Left in charge of course.

As far as comparisons with Mao's China and Stalin's Russia, that's where your ideas and policies lead.  Suggestions to visit North Korea are so you could see for yourself what imposed Equal Justice For All and Equal Opportunity look like.  Not to mention lack of property rights




Yes, property rights are important.  We should own the product of our own labor.  With some small part used for taxes to pay for things like roads and public safety.  Without that right, none of the rest matter.  I would have thought someone who likes to rant about slavery would be with us on that one.  So apparently you'd take that right away, yet later in the very same post you want to know what rights are being taken.  Dang.

Travel, voting, owning a gun?   Only because the Left hasn't seized power permanently.  Your own posts suggest what would happen in that event.

Here's a few rights I'd like back:  privacy when it comes to what mail and email I send and receive, telephone calls I make and receive, internet sites I visit.  Or the right to choose what health insurance I want or don't want.  Or the right to carry a concealed weapon.  I could go on.

I'll give you credit for your badger-like tenacity.  Like a good little conservative you cannot have a discussion with the Left without creating the pre-condition of establishing all left ideas as coming from some dead commie.  Its intellectually weak and why conservatives are losing ground.
Of course property rights are important; they are the foundation of social order.  However would you allow property rights to transcend human rights?  Of course you would and that is a fundamental difference between us.  I don't have to constantly call you a fascist or oligarch in order to demonstrate that difference, do I?
Of course you are offended by the notions of Justice and Equal Opportunity.  How else to define your self-perceived greatness if you could find out how many people would achieve what you've achieved given the same circumstances?  It would be deflating and devastating to you and many other of your ilk who need to bolster your esteem with your material success.
Your retort on rights was weak.  Really?  You need the right to carry concealed weapons?  That's a travesty unto itself.  When did ever belief you had electronic privacy rights, anyway?  Naive.
No, once again in order to inflate your otherwise tepid response you had to invoke the almighty pantheon of dead commie greats to conflate my beliefs with theirs.  This is why you will lose - the entirety of conservatism itself is intellectually dishonest and unprincipled in any way decent people have been raised.  It is why you are so materially successful.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Of course property rights are important; they are the foundation of social order.  However would you allow property rights to transcend human rights?  Of course you would and that is a fundamental difference between us... 

... You need the right to carry concealed weapons?  That's a travesty unto itself...

The right to one's property IS a human right.  One of the most fundamental and important, along with the right to protect ones self.  That's why the Left attacks those rights the most.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you.



As far as the rest of your post - we've had over 40 years of Liberal and 'Progressive' policies implemented in the fight against poverty and the problems of our wretched inner cities.  Trillions of dollars spent.  Over 40 years of one party rule there.  Your post might have some credibility if those policies had shown positive results, but they haven't.  It's worse than ever. 

I suggest the D's, Libs, and Progressives admit they don't know what they are doing, resign, and get out of the way.

[FightTheFuture]

I'm thinking its probably just a quirky little coincidence that Michelle Obama's old buddy from Princeton, and fellow member of Association of Black Princeton Alumni, happens to be the senior vice president of CGI, which received a no-bid contract of 100' s of millions of dollars to construct the Obamacare website. Has to be a coincidence...right?

[PB the Deplorable]

Corruption:  It's the Chicago way.

[FightTheFuture]

Corruption:  It's the Chicago way.

Yeah, but Obama promised us that he wouldnt do that. He was very clear on that point: ''My administration will be the most transparent in history''.

[PB the Deplorable]

Yeah, but Obama promised us that he wouldnt do that. He was very clear on that point: ''My administration will be the most transparent in history''.

Well, in a way, it is

[NowhereInTime]

The right to one's property IS a human right.  One of the most fundamental and important, along with the right to protect ones self.  That's why the Left attacks those rights the most.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you.



As far as the rest of your post - we've had over 40 years of Liberal and 'Progressive' policies implemented in the fight against poverty and the problems of our wretched inner cities.  Trillions of dollars spent.  Over 40 years of one party rule there.  Your post might have some credibility if those policies had shown positive results, but they haven't.  It's worse than ever. 

I suggest the D's, Libs, and Progressives admit they don't know what they are doing, resign, and get out of the way.

There hasn't been a liberal policy conservatives have ever agreed with or cooperated with since before FDR. You only now pay lip service to Social Security & Medicare so you don't lose every general   election everywhere,  but be honest and admit you want to starve those beasts too, don't you?

[FightTheFuture]

Well, in a way, it is

Heh. That veil is rather sheer, isn't it?

[PB the Deplorable]

There hasn't been a liberal policy conservatives have ever agreed with or cooperated with since before FDR. You only now pay lip service to Social Security & Medicare so you don't lose every general   election everywhere,  but be honest and admit you want to starve those beasts too, don't you?

Why would someone go along with a policy they have a pretty good idea is going to fail?  Most new programs people come up with have either been tried before, or their outcomes are predictable based on even a slight understanding of economics and human nature.  A better question is why continue policies that have proven themselves to be failures.  For decades.


As far as Social Security and Medicare go, just the other day on the thread documenting 'The Worst Administration Ever', I mentioned the need to strengthen SS and Medicare so they don't go broke, and suggested Obama stealing $750 Billion from the Medicare Fund to help pay for ObamaCare wasn't helpful.

Your response was that they wouldn't go bankrupt for awhile so why worry, and that the $750 Billion stolen from Medicare was no big deal. 

[analog kid]

As far as Social Security and Medicare go, just the other day on the thread documenting 'The Worst Administration Ever', I mentioned the need to strengthen SS and Medicare so they don't go broke, and suggested Obama stealing $750 Billion from the Medicare Fund to help pay for ObamaCare wasn't helpful.

Your response was that they wouldn't go bankrupt for awhile so why worry, and that the $750 Billion stolen from Medicare was no big deal.

It would probably help your argument if that were actually true.

[PB the Deplorable]

It would probably help your argument if that were actually true.

I thought I went back and fixed that, dang.  It should be $750 Million

[NowhereInTime]

I thought I went back and fixed that, dang.  It should be $750 Million

I wasn't even going to say anything.

[West of the Rockies]

I'm thinking its probably just a quirky little coincidence that Michelle Obama's old buddy from Princeton, and fellow member of Association of Black Princeton Alumni, happens to be the senior vice president of CGI, which received a no-bid contract of 100' s of millions of dollars to construct the Obamacare website. Has to be a coincidence...right?

Something that happens ALL THE TIME in political debate is one side (let's say a conservative) making mention of an example of possible gross corruption by a Democrat, and a liberal will point to an example perpetrated by a Republican.  No defense is offered in regards to the corruption originally pointed out by the conservative.  It works both ways, of course.

So, first, I will suggest that Cheney's connection with Halliburton -- and the mammoth contracts it was awarded in Iraq -- was pretty damn suspect, too.  (Oh, I know -- that's so ten years ago!)

BUT... if this is true regarding CGI, it stinks.  I don't like it.  Power corrupts.  It corrupts both sides.

[FightTheFuture]

Something that happens ALL THE TIME in political debate is one side (let's say a conservative) making mention of an example of possible gross corruption by a Democrat, and a liberal will point to an example perpetrated by a Republican.  No defense is offered in regards to the corruption originally pointed out by the conservative.  It works both ways, of course.

So, first, I will suggest that Cheney's connection with Halliburton -- and the mammoth contracts it was awarded in Iraq -- was pretty damn suspect, too.  (Oh, I know -- that's so ten years ago!)

BUT... if this is true regarding CGI, it stinks.  I don't like it.  Power corrupts.  It corrupts both sides.

You have to keep in mind, Haliburton, at the time, was the only outfit on the planet that could deliver massive quantities of everything from bullets to shit paper, 9,000 miles away, in the middle of the desert during a shooting war, and guarantee it to be there, and be there on time. Further, you should also know, Cheney had voluntarily, and thoroughly, extricated himself from Haliburton long before their services were required for the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict.

With respect to CGI, there were no less than 15 other companies at least as -- if not more so-- qualified to work on the healthcare website. That fact has been virtually concealed from the public by a complicit, adoring, media for over 2 years. I submit, even the most ardent Obama loyalist, at some point, must begin to wonder why a large segment of the media has so blatantly shielded Obama from public scrutiny.

[onan]

Corbin, Jane (June 10, 2008). "BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions". BBC. Retrieved January 7, 2011.

In the run-up to the Iraq war, Halliburton was awarded a $7 billion contract for which 'unusually' only Halliburton was allowed to bid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7444083.stm

[bateman]

Has some jokester hijacked her Twitter account? Is she fucking serious?

FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.

https://twitter.com/vj44/status/394978744227475456

[Quick Karl]

Has some jokester hijacked her Twitter account? Is she fucking serious?

https://twitter.com/vj44/status/394978744227475456

As usual, she is double-talking - it works on the voters that vote for her sock-puppet...

"No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans." And, Insurance Companies HAVE to change existing plans to comply with the new edict! derrrr.

Lucky for her the vast majority of their supporters don't pay anything into any system in the first place, so it won't matter... Now they will be able to feign that they are informed and people are just lying about losing their existing coverage.

I read it in Rules for Radicals.

[bateman]

As usual, she is double-talking - it works on the voters that vote for her sock-puppet...

"No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans." And, Insurance Companies HAVE to change existing plans to comply with the new edict! derrrr.

Lucky for her the vast majority of their supporters don't pay anything into any system in the first place, so it won't matter... Now they will be able to feign that they are informed and people are just lying about losing their existing coverage.

I read it in Rules for Radicals.

And her tweet was sent out AFTER this damning report from NBC. What planet are these people on?

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

[Falkie2013]

Why would someone go along with a policy they have a pretty good idea is going to fail?  Most new programs people come up with have either been tried before, or their outcomes are predictable based on even a slight understanding of economics and human nature.  A better question is why continue policies that have proven themselves to be failures.  For decades.


As far as Social Security and Medicare go, just the other day on the thread documenting 'The Worst Administration Ever', I mentioned the need to strengthen SS and Medicare so they don't go broke, and suggested Obama stealing $750 Billion from the Medicare Fund to help pay for ObamaCare wasn't helpful.

Your response was that they wouldn't go bankrupt for awhile so why worry, and that the $750 Billion stolen from Medicare was no big deal.

I watched a video today where George Soros' former partner was talking on Bloomberg about how seniors are generationally stealing from younger workers and getting way more than they ever put in while there are now only 2 workers per recipient to pay for senior and other benefits.

[PB the Deplorable]

And her tweet was sent out AFTER this damning report from NBC. What planet are these people on?

The Conservatives have been right about Obama and the rest of these rats every step of the way, from the moment he announced he was running for President. 

All we got was ridicule from his sycophants in the Media and Hollywood.  And from the folks who follow along and lazily parrot them.

Obama and his campaign, Obama and has administration, have done nothing but lie.  Everything they've ever said is a lie.  When they are called on it, they promise to open an investigation.  But they don't.  Or they spin, or deny, or claim he didn't know, they say whatever they think it will take.  Then their accomplices in the Media take over and lie and spin some more.


Imagine how obnoxious Barry and Michelle are going to be once he's out of office and they don't have to pretend anymore.

[Quick Karl]

And her tweet was sent out AFTER this damning report from NBC. What planet are these people on?

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

I am more convinced than ever that the great majority of left voters are simply those that are living on government subsidies, to one degree or another. They have absolutely no remorse for the burden that places on the shoulders of middle class working Americans and they try to deflect guilt by pretending that it is the rich that is paying for their comfort. They are, in my humble opinion, parasites.

[FightTheFuture]

The only good news surrounding the Obamacare monstrosity is that the whole thing will  collapse like a cheap lawn chair at an over-eaters anonymous annual barbeque.

It's just such a shame that only now, people who voted for Obama, are finally realizing that he is a liar and a fraud.  I am beginning to reconsider my position regarding his legacy; I now believe he has a real shot at  being the worst administration in history!

[Quick Karl]

It's just such a shame that only now, people who voted for Obama, are finally realizing that he is a liar and a fraud.

A person requires character and integrity to admit and accept responsibility for their mistakes, and to strive to be more virtuous going forward.

[Juan]

Obama and his campaign, Obama and has administration, have done nothing but lie.

Wrong.  He said he would fundamentally transform America.

[Quick Karl]

Wrong.  He said he would fundamentally transform America.

I remember some cranky old guy I used to work for when I was a kid said: "If something sounds too good to be true, IT IS!".

In my humble opinion, it was unrealistic for the people that supported the idea of the ACA to believe anything is, or could be, free! And it is even more unrealistic to be surprised when the people that have to foot the bill for it (i.e. NOT 'the rich", but MIDDLE CLASS WORKING AMERICANS), are pissed!