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Call 1-800-fUCKYO to sign up for Obamacare. No kidding.

Started by Foodlion, October 03, 2013, 09:45:17 AM


Yes, these geniuses should be running our health care system. 

Just wait until they want to raise taxes again - instead of closing the parks, they'll just close hospitals and doctors offices until we capitulate.

ItsOver

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 03, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
Yes, these geniuses should be running our health care system. 

Just wait until they want to raise taxes again - instead of closing the parks, they'll just close hospitals and doctors offices until we capitulate.

That's what I've been thinking, P*B.  We want these clowns in charge of health care?  Sorry, no bypass surgery for you.  The government is closed and you've been deemed "non-essential."

Quote from: ItsOver on October 03, 2013, 10:08:09 AM
That's what I've been thinking, P*B.  We want these clowns in charge of health care?  Sorry, no bypass surgery for you.  The government is closed and you've been deemed "non-essential."


And we can tell from your emails, phone calls and web browsing that you don't vote the right way

ItsOver

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 03, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

And we can tell from your emails, phone calls and web browsing that you don't vote the right way

Yes, and what we say stands. No dispute, no compromise.  Next!

The General

While you're there, dial extension MOMMA for the joke of the day featuring Chris Rock.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 03, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
Yes, these geniuses should be running our health care system. 

Just wait until they want to raise taxes again - instead of closing the parks, they'll just close hospitals and doctors offices until we capitulate.
So?  Capitulate already!   Really still want to fight affordable health care?  Not only the law of the land but Supreme Court tested, move on to something else.
Like obsess some more over Benghazi.

Dude111

They are just laughing @ everyone!!

NO ONE SHOULD SIGN UP FOR THIS INTRUSIVE GARBAGE!!

Quick Karl

The really scary thing is, the people that support it... The Politics of hatred!

Quote from: Dude111 on October 06, 2013, 10:29:34 PM
They are just laughing @ everyone!!

NO ONE SHOULD SIGN UP FOR THIS INTRUSIVE GARBAGE!!

onan

the politics of hatred... roflmao

Setting one's own broken leg... only a frikken nut would suggest that.

















http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/i-am-obamacare-_n_4046470.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular



yeah buying votes... those frikken hate mongering democrats. Fucking socialists.







Juan

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 04, 2013, 05:44:44 PM
Not only the law of the land but Supreme Court tested, move on to something else.
Just like the segregation laws were.  Good thing we didn't move on to something else with those.

onan

Quote from: UFO Fill on October 07, 2013, 05:16:32 AM
Just like the segregation laws were.  Good thing we didn't move on to something else with those.

Is the suggestion that the Affordable Care Act is equal to Segregation?

Please explain.


There are ways for most people acquire cheaper and better insurance. Especially young people.

My advice would be to just pay the $95 fine...oops, TAX...and forget about it for now.

Juan

Quote from: onan on October 07, 2013, 05:19:14 AM
Is the suggestion that the Affordable Care Act is equal to Segregation?

Please explain.
No, it's the idea that laws are set in stone and should not be debated, changed or refocused.

That there are some good things in the ObamaCare bill, or that it helps some people, does not mean it is good legislation overall.  No one ever said there weren't some positive aspects to it.

With any bill there are going to be people that come out better off and people that come out worse off.


Having health insurance tied to employment was a terrible system, it badly needed to be addressed.  For all the people that lean Democratic, imagine if the R's had shut the D's completely out of the process and come up with a gargantuan unworkable train wreck full of everything you dislike about how the R's tend to solve problems - what would you be saying about it a few years out when it was finally being implemented and was already falling apart?   Even if a few of the ideas were good ones and there were some people better off?




Quick Karl

I intend to do exactly that, for now, but fear that it plays into Nancy's plans for a single-payer system. I contend that AFA was designed to fail from the start to usher in a single payer European model.


Quote from: FightTheFuture on October 07, 2013, 05:48:28 AM
There are ways for most people acquire cheaper and better insurance. Especially young people.

My advice would be to just pay the $95 fine...oops, TAX...and forget about it for now.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 07, 2013, 07:24:26 AM
That there are some good things in the ObamaCare bill, or that it helps some people, does not mean it is good legislation overall.  No one ever said there weren't some positive aspects to it.

With any bill there are going to be people that come out better off and people that come out worse off.


Having health insurance tied to employment was a terrible system, it badly needed to be addressed.  For all the people that lean Democratic, imagine if the R's had shut the D's completely out of the process and come up with a gargantuan unworkable train wreck full of everything you dislike about how the R's tend to solve problems - what would you be saying about it a few years out when it was finally being implemented and was already falling apart?   Even if a few of the ideas were good ones and there were some people better off?
You mean like Supply Side economics in the 80's?

Quick Karl

Would you have preferred a continuation of Carter's economics?

Were you old enough to comprehend the impact of Carter's economics (sincere question)?

Are you implying Obama Economics are working for anyone outside of Wall Street and DC?


Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 07, 2013, 11:37:04 AM
You mean like Supply Side economics in the 80's?

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 11:48:46 AM
Would you have preferred a continuation of Carter's economics?

Were you old enough to comprehend the impact of Carter's economics (sincere question)?

Are you implying Obama Economics are working for anyone outside of Wall Street and DC?
No.

Yes.

No.

Having said that, I think the reason BHO's reforms aren't working are twofold: 1) failure by the American labor movement to mobilize labor reforms in jobs that are not "outsourceable" (ie: service jobs) and 2) conservative resistance to EVERY idea the man wants to try. (ie:Why can't we spend money retraining people for modern computer aided manufacture?  How the hell is that "communism"?)

I wish there hadn't been merger and acquisition deregulation in the 80's.

I wish NAFTA had never been signed. 

I wish Glass-Steagall had never been repealed. Lots of "shoulda couldas" that are out of the bag. 

I would like to see growth by easing up credit for a million small businesses to open: SBA loans for those who submit thoughtful business plans regardless of collateral; a one year moratorium of all regulatory requirements and a bureau of SCORE executives available to guide new businesses through the regulatory and accounting jungle to allow them to stay alive.

I want COMPETITION not consolidation and I want an end to LBO's, CDS's and every other harmful financial predatory device designed to prey on someone else's fortune or misfortune.  If people want to gamble, come to CT and visit the Mohegan Sun.

I want to see companies go public with IPO's but not be bound to quarterly reporting and guidance so Squawk Box can harp on them as "undermanaged" if they have a down quarter.

And for this I am told my ideas come from the "eastern bloc".  Go figure.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: UFO Fill on October 07, 2013, 05:53:52 AM
No, it's the idea that laws are set in stone and should not be debated, changed or refocused.
Yes, in due course.  At least give the damn thing a chance to roll out before trying to repeal it.

Juan

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 07, 2013, 12:49:33 PM
Yes, in due course.  At least give the damn thing a chance to roll out before trying to repeal it.
Well, I've tried to go on the website 20-times since October 1, and can't get past the first page.  Obviously, the method for signing up is not ready.  Maybe the idea of delaying the whole thing for a year has merit.

Quick Karl

Just curious how the 34-yr old girl got the insurance and surgery when no one could sign up until last week, presuming they could get past the 'glitch'... I didn't bother reading the other propaganda.


Quote from: onan on October 07, 2013, 04:45:25 AM
the politics of hatred... roflmao

Setting one's own broken leg... only a frikken nut would suggest that.

















http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/i-am-obamacare-_n_4046470.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular



yeah buying votes... those frikken hate mongering democrats. Fucking socialists.

onan

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
Just curious how the 34-yr old girl got the insurance and surgery when no one could sign up until last week, presuming they could get past the 'glitch'
Fair question. California has been on the forefront of this while the reluctant states have been too timid.

California started a measured plan starting last January. I don't know the specifics but I would speculate that is your answer.


Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
... I didn't bother reading the other propaganda.

Not that I expect you to realize this but propaganda is all around us. Some good some less than. You aren't suggesting the stuff you have been offering is without propaganda are you?

Quick Karl

I resent the implication.

I do not post anything, ever, with the intention to misinform, or enflame anyone, period. While I may engage in hyperbole for dramatic effect, I do not view my "fellow citizens" that may disagree with my political and intellectual philosophies, as Pleistocene hunter-gatherers with -5 IQ's unworthy of life on the same Planet as myself, much less the same Country.

Quote from: onan on October 07, 2013, 02:20:55 PM
Not that I expect you to realize this but propaganda is all around us. Some good some less than. You aren't suggesting the stuff you have been offering is without propaganda are you?

onan

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 04:32:43 PM
I resent the implication.

I do not post anything, ever, with the intention to misinform, or enflame anyone, period. While I may engage in hyperbole for dramatic effect, I do not view my "fellow citizens" that may disagree with my political and intellectual philosophies, as Pleistocene hunter-gatherers with -5 IQ's unworthy of life on the same Planet as myself, much less the same Country.

jesus man, cool your jets. look up the meaning of propaganda. Propaganda tries to sway opininion it doesn't have to be by dishonesty. But you seem to want to sway others to your point of view, and you don't seem to care about any position than yours.

Quick Karl

So, you're saying you can be swayed from your point of view?

Quote from: onan on October 07, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
jesus man, cool your jets. look up the meaning of propaganda. Propaganda tries to sway opininion it doesn't have to be by dishonesty. But you seem to want to sway others to your point of view, and you don't seem to care about any position than yours.

onan

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 04:49:37 PM
So, you're saying you can be swayed from your point of view?

Yessir ask some members here about me and Rand Paul.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on October 07, 2013, 11:37:04 AM
You mean like Supply Side economics in the 80's?


You realize that was about removing economic barriers, and not about implementing a different set of pet policies, right?  And that it kicked off a 25 year expansion that also brought us the modern age of computing and communications? And increased the US and the world's standard of living immensely? 

The Hate America Crowd really hated it.  I'm not sure if they hated it because it was so successful - in spite of their predictions, or if they managed to find the things about it that didn't work out well and focus solely on that.  Probably both.


As with any change, some people are going to end up worse off no matter how many others benefit or to what degree.  I agree free trade didn't work out as hoped for.  But that doesn't make any of it 'evil', or so bad it needs to be burned down and rebuilt into a Socialist utopia. 


We could sure use a President now that has an understanding of how the world works and the desire to make the country stronger and better.


Quick Karl

If the Republicans nominate another unelectable fall guy like McInsane or Richie Rich, I'm not sure I am going to able to vote for them; I am tired of being betrayed by the people we support. One thing you can say about the dems is, they actually carry out their promised agendas, and then some...

I wish the Country would divide in two - I'd move to the America portion in a heartbeat.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 07, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
We could sure use a President now that has an understanding of how the world works and the desire to make the country stronger and better.

bateman

Quote from: Quick Karl on October 07, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
If the Republicans nominate another unelectable fall guy like McInsane or Richie Rich, I'm not sure I am going to able to vote for them; I am tired of being betrayed by the people we support. One thing you can say about the dems is, they actually carry out their promised agendas, and then some...

I wish the Country would divide in two - I'd move to the America portion in a heartbeat.

Mark my words, Republicans won't retake the White House until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Who do they have, Chris Christie? We'll have another President Harrison on our hands even if he's elected. Rand Paul? Might do well in the primaries, but he won't play well on the national stage. Marco Rubio? Mike Lee? Ted Cruz..? God help us. No, get ready for 2 terms of Hillary. Given a "choice" between tax & spend liberals or socially conservative wackjobs, I'll vote Libertarian again, thanks.

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