Affiliate Tracker or Insider Subscription Drops

[gringomisio]

Someone should do a C2C affiliate tracker to see if they lose affiliates this year.  And another idea might be to see how many people drop their insider subscription.   

I dropped my insider subscription this last year as I just couldn't handle the poor quality interviews anymore.   I don't have anything against George except that he really should put a little more effort into the interviews.

[MV/Liberace!]

I don't have anything against George except that he really should put a little more effort into the interviews.

the problem is, he can't.  he's just not interested in the topics his show is supposed to discuss.

[Uncle Duke]

Someone should do a C2C affiliate tracker to see if they lose affiliates this year. 

Just curious, why do you think C2C will "lose affiliates this year"?

[RedMichael]

Someone should do a C2C affiliate tracker to see if they lose affiliates this year.  And another idea might be to see how many people drop their insider subscription.   

I dropped my insider subscription this last year as I just couldn't handle the poor quality interviews anymore.   I don't have anything against George except that he really should put a little more effort into the interviews.

I like this idea. I want to see if there is any change in affiliate numbers with the introduction to another very big show covering most of the same subjects. I understand that one is terrestial and the other is satellite BUT you have a show cutting in front of C2C that is superior.

As for insider numbers. I don't know if they release those or not but I doubt they would release anything that would reflect negatively on the show.

Surely there must be some way to track affiliates.

[Uncle Duke]

You are talking apples and oranges here.  The Arbitron book will show if C2C numbers of listeners are decreasing,  and should give some insight as to how Art's show is impacting C2C's numbers.  But there is no affiliate that can pick up Art's program at the expense of C2C, so the point is moot.  If a station wants to consider dropping C2C, it will have to either air local programming or opt for another existing syndicated program in the same time slot.  The former is almost totally out of the question in all but the largest markets.  And while there are some other overnight, syndicated talk radio shows (both national and regional), none of them have the reach and advertising appeal of C2C.  Like it or not, C2C is the 800 pound gorilla on terrestial radio in its time slot.

Just for giggles, especially those of you in the eastern and central time zones, run your AM radio from one end of the band to the other at 2 am.  You will undoubtedly pick up C2C on at least half a dozen stations, probably more.  Depending on where you are, you will not find any other program on anything even close to those numbers across the AM band.  The point being, not only does C2C air on the most stations, it airs on the most powerful stations.

[Juan]

Local stations can also take shows that aired earlier in the day and air them late at night.  One of my local stations airs Dennis Prager and Michael Medved overnight.  They are both daytime shows.

[Uncle Duke]

Local stations can also take shows that aired earlier in the day and air them late at night.  One of my local stations airs Dennis Prager and Michael Medved overnight.  They are both daytime shows.

That's a fair point, and would give stations another choice if they opted to replace C2C.   Curious though, do they get any advertisers to pay for airtime on the overnight repeat?  I'm guessing that station runs far more PSAs than they do commercials during the replay.

You know, I greatly miss local, overnight radio programming.  I grew up in the 60s/70s, and listened to great local all-night shows across the eastern half of the country.  KMOX, WCAU, WHO, WBAP, WWL, WLW, CKLW, KDKA, WWVA, WLS.....could pick all those station up and all had unique programming overnight.  Throw in the low power stations close by and you really had a lot to choice from back then.

[sleeplessinca]

That's a fair point, and would give stations another choice if they opted to replace C2C.   Curious though, do they get any advertisers to pay for airtime on the overnight repeat?  I'm guessing that station runs far more PSAs than they do commercials during the replay.

You know, I greatly miss local, overnight radio programming.  I grew up in the 60s/70s, and listened to great local all-night shows across the eastern half of the country.  KMOX, WCAU, WHO, WBAP, WWL, WLW, CKLW, KDKA, WWVA, WLS.....could pick all those station up and all had unique programming overnight.  Throw in the low power stations close by and you really had a lot to choice from back then.

The best stuff was at night - they would play album sides and extended cuts.  Good times

[onan]

Ya know White Castle sells a bunch of... umm... erm... burgers. oh hell, even White Castle isn't close to the trash of c2c...

Who cares what their listener numbers are? I mean Carrot Top, Pauly Shore, and others carry more shame than worth... pretty much like noory.

I guess a piece of me would like to see noory close shop. I am not sure investing any energy into it makes me feel better. And to add, as much of an ass as I believe him to be, I don't wish anyone the hell of seeking solace from a community of critics (most of which are dead on accurate).

[Wintermute]

My wife got me a Coast Insider subscription in 2007. The After Dark newsletter was HORRIBLE. No wonder they killed it off. The message board access was funny because of all the trolls, which is why that was dropped as well. Having access to podcasts was nice though, but it was before smartphones, so not nearly as useful as it would be today. But... the live chats with Norry and Co. were the icing on the cake. What a bunch of garbage.

So I am their Coast Insider subscriptions have dropped off over the years. The content just isn't that great and there are so many outlets to download the podcasts for free.

Affiliates on any radio program are easy to track. There is a database that Talkers Mag keeps up as a variable to calculate the top-100 talkers every month.

[Sardondi]

the problem is, he can't.  he's just not interested in the topics his show is supposed to discuss.

They need to re-brand. Call it "The George Noory Angels-Numbers-9/11 Apocalypse Show".

[RedMichael]

Words.

The only point I made is that it would be interesting to know the numbers. I still think it would be interesting. Thanks.

I said interesting, I didn't say I would care.

[onan]

The only point I made is that it would be interesting to know the numbers. I still think it would be interesting. Thanks.

I said interesting, I didn't say I would care.

Point noted... no offense meant... just meandering with a bit of spill over outrage for the noor.

[Tinfoil Hat]

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You know, I greatly miss local, overnight radio programming.  I grew up in the 60s/70s, and listened to great local all-night shows across the eastern half of the country.  KMOX, WCAU, WHO, WBAP, WWL, WLW, CKLW, KDKA, WWVA, WLS.....could pick all those station up and all had unique programming overnight.  Throw in the low power stations close by and you really had a lot to choice from back then.

Oh how I miss Perry Marshall. He was truly one of a kind!

[gringomisio]

You are talking apples and oranges here.  The Arbitron book will show if C2C numbers of listeners are decreasing,  and should give some insight as to how Art's show is impacting C2C's numbers.  But there is no affiliate that can pick up Art's program at the expense of C2C, so the point is moot.  If a station wants to consider dropping C2C, it will have to either air local programming or opt for another existing syndicated program in the same time slot.  The former is almost totally out of the question in all but the largest markets.  And while there are some other overnight, syndicated talk radio shows (both national and regional), none of them have the reach and advertising appeal of C2C.  Like it or not, C2C is the 800 pound gorilla on terrestial radio in its time slot.

Just for giggles, especially those of you in the eastern and central time zones, run your AM radio from one end of the band to the other at 2 am.  You will undoubtedly pick up C2C on at least half a dozen stations, probably more.  Depending on where you are, you will not find any other program on anything even close to those numbers across the AM band.  The point being, not only does C2C air on the most stations, it airs on the most powerful stations.

I really wasn't stating that Art's show was going to steal subscribers but that the lack of quality might cause a loss of subscribers.  I wonder how many are like me are dropping the show which I did prior to knowing about Dark Matter.

As an aside I live in South America and the Coast Insider format was great especially releasing the episodes immediately and without commercials.   Does Sirius offer on demand type shows?

[gringomisio]

There are a total of 548 affiliates listed.  Here is the breakdown by state/country.  Let's see if this changes over the next year or so.  I wrote a small program to extract them if you are interested.

Alabama   16
Alaska   6
Arizona   12
Arkansas   5
California   35
Colorado   11
Connecticut   2
Delaware   3
Florida   26
Georgia   18
Hawaii   3
Idaho   9
Illinois   12
   
Indiana   8
Iowa   9
Kansas   11
Kentucky   9
Louisiana   8
Maine   4
Maryland   5
Massachusetts   4
Michigan   24
Minnesota   14
Mississippi   10
Missouri   17
Montana   11
   
Nebraska   5
Nevada   4
New Hampshire   4
New Jersey   2
New Mexico   7
New York   19
North Carolina   16
North Dakota   4
Ohio   14
Oklahoma   7
Oregon   17
Pennsylvania   23
Rhode Island   1
   
South Carolina   10
South Dakota   5
Tennessee   12
Texas   19
Utah   9
Vermont   3
Virginia   12
Washington   15
West Virginia   7
Wisconsin   16
Wyoming   9
   
Canada Affiliates   14
Guam Affiliates   1
Virgin Islands Affiliates   1

[Ghost of Ramona]

I, for one am dropping my coast 2 coast subscription now that Art is on.

[gringomisio]

I, for one am dropping my coast 2 coast subscription now that Art is on.

I already dropped mine.  Thankful that Art is back and on his worst day is 100x better to listen to.

[area51drone]

I dropped my C2C subscription after I downloaded all the shows I could get my hands on.   Now all the shows are on youtube.   I hated to pay for it in the first place, but it was the only way to get all of the shows quickly that I knew of at the time.

I would like to know not only how many listeners and stations drop Noory, but I'd also love to know how many listeners are tuning into Art, if that is at all possible.