Your Rights Are Fading Away!!

[Zoo]

We as Americans have rights and we are slowly giving them away. Now as for me I fight for my rights, as well as yours! So I'm getting a little sick of people not standing up for their rights. Not only that but people are degrading those who stand up for their rights. As low level terrorist, tea baggers, crazies, and a ton of other degrading terms which is a load of crap! So stand with your fellow citizens when they hit the streets to protect their and your rights as American citizens. Or just sit their and keep your mouth shut and watch them fade away!!1

[MV/Liberace!]

i think a big chunk of the problem is rooted in the fact that it's all people can do to keep the bills paid and the cable tv going.  both parents have to work, etc... nobody has time to be outraged by anything anymore, and even when they are outraged, there's this weighty feeling of futility that erodes what would otherwise be a sense of duty to fight for things.

[Meanandnasty]

i think a big chunk of the problem is rooted in the fact that it's all people can do to keep the bills paid and the cable tv going.  both parents have to work, etc... nobody has time to be outraged by anything anymore, and even when they are outraged, there's this weighty feeling of futility that erodes what would otherwise be a sense of duty to fight for things.

I wonder if that is all in the grand scheme of the powers that be, to make us docile and compliant, as they erode our rights as Americans.

[onan]

What rights have you lost? I mean tell me something that has changed your way of life.

I agree it is beyond words to have nothing truly private... but in all candor, I am not sure how much I have been affected.

To me the only people with rights are those with enough money to enjoy access to things others do not have. I am free to go to the store, and buy stuff. I am free to choose a movie, or deodorant. But am I free? I am not free of responsibilities.

I am more free than those that cant protest their government. I am more free than those that can't have or don't have access to other nations news.

We can no longer protest, except in free speech zones. That pisses me off. but not so much I will do much about it, further than this.

[Zoo]

What rights have you lost? I mean tell me something that has changed your way of life.

  I think sheep see what they want to see, your right to protest is one of the only ways to convey your thoughts to Government, as well as your fellow citizens in a nonviolent way. Free speech zones are you kidding me this doesn't offend you enough to do something about it? As for my rights? when I was 18 I was pulled over searched illegally someone in my car had marijuana. I got charged for it and fought it in court I got four years in prison for it as my rights where violated! Now I can't get any Government aid even food stamps so when I loss a job and can't find another I'm screwed unless my family and friends help. So what did I lose? My freedom and I'm not the only one; so that's why I fight so hard to keep the rights/freedom for others and even you because I know what it's like to have lost them all. I will never stop fight!!1

[PB the Deplorable]

The 'right to protest' has been thoroughly abused. 

It's been used to block roads, bridges, buildings, and freeways, it often turns into a burning and looting spree, 'protesters' routinely attack police, they block people from using sidewalks and gaining access to wherever they are going.  It's usually heavy on hating America, with speakers there specifically to incite the crowd.

There is no 'right' to any of this.  The Amendment actually reads "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of people peaceably to assemble, and petition the government for a redress of grievances."



We know that our rights are not absolute - I'd say the speakers inciting the crowd - given the usual outcome afterward in response to that - have gone beyond their free speech rights

The Tea Party assembled peaceably and petitioned the government for redress.  I don't see the usual mob being peaceful (despite their claims), or petitioning anyone - Occupy made it a point to not have any demands to be redressed.  To me, 'peacefully assemble' means in front of the White House or City Hall or at a Congressional office or meeting with constituents, not just taking over a portion of town whenever they want to flex their muscles.

So what's wrong with addressing some of this with 'no protest' areas, or whatever they call them, when something is going on?

[Zoo]

The 'right to protest' has been thoroughly abused.

Because it's their right plain in simple. I hate it when people burn the flag but I will support their right to do it. How many times have you been to a protest or you just watch it on T.V. because every one I've been to was nonviolent. So stop watching T.V. and get out on the streets and talk to them 90% of them know more than they are given credit by News Media because informed public doesn't make for great ratings!!1

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[PB the Deplorable]

Because it's their right plain in simple. I hate it when people burn the flag but I will support their right to do it. How many times have you been to a protest or you just watch it on T.V. because every one I've been to was nonviolent. So stop watching T.V. and get out on the streets and talk to them 90% of them know more than they are given credit by News Media because informed public doesn't make for great ratings!!1...

I've gone down to a few over the years.  I once worked on the same block that an unpopular foreign consulate was located on - that was so wonderful trying to get past that and into my office every other week or so.  What a bunch of dumb foul-mouthed useless messy people they were.  I feel like I live in Protest Central, with Berkeley and Oakland next to each other and San Francisco just across the Bay.  I couldn't even guess how many protests have been held around here over the years.  Too often they end up violent, most of the ones that don't are because relatively few protesters show up and lots of cops do.  If they show violence on TV, then it's violent - whether I was there or not. 

Infrequently there is an anomaly, where people who are other than the usual group are protesting - maybe something China has done to the Tibetans, or now, Tea Party Groups.  These protests aren't really even covered by the media much.  Some are treated with distain by the Media and the usual mob as not authentic.  It's as if only the Hard Left gets be out protesting. 

I know these people fairly well - it's a mix of dumb student aged kids that think they've found a cause, a more hard core group that's usually referred to as 'disaffected youth' - who've had a tough time in life so far and are understandably angry and have now been co-opted by the Left, the middle aged and older folks and the usual dupes - the older ones were hippies in the 60s, the middle aged ones wanted to be hippies, there are other random folks about thinking they are doing something useful when they don't really have a clue - this guy you reference out of the military probably falls into that category, then there's the hard cores - they're the ones inciting, attacking the police, burning the place down.  Talking to them - any of them really, you get mostly a bunch of jibberish back - some are smarter and what you get from them is mostly a bunch of memorized parroted Marxist crap about how terrible our country is - not that different really, although less sugarcoated, from what the message is from the Media and the Ds in DC

By the way, 'Occupy' isn't something new and different, it's the same tired band of people that show up for all the other protests.  Oh sure, there are always new recruits, and people that hadn't ever 'gotten involved' before, but there is a huge overlap in all these demonstrations.  And yeah, I've talked to Occupy - they have less understanding of economics and how business works and what really happened during the 2008 meltdown than the usual mob, if that's even possible.

I'd be interested in hearing what insight you've received from talking to these people in your area.  Here they're hopeless.

And no, they don't have the right to do what they do.  Re-read The First Amendment again for yourself.  The pertinent portions and explanations are in my post above. 

And this isn't something noble, this is mob rule.

[onan]

I'm not sure where to begin.


First off, I think the drug war is the biggest waste of time, energy, and people there is. That being said, 4 years for what I am assuming was a small amount of marijuana (you weren't aware a friend had it... so it wasn't an intent to sell) makes me wonder. I am not saying or implying you are being dishonest. I am saying I think there was more going on than the story has told us. I have been wrong a few times in the past so...


Protesting is part of being a US citizen. And you are right a vast majority of them are peaceful. If you look at the history of protesting in this country, unless there is some serious bloodshed, no one cares. Not in the long run.


Placing protesters in free speech zones silences the protest. I doubt PB would have the same attitude if Tea Party protests were placed in free speech zones. More than likely he would be screaming as he rightly should.


Back to 4 years in prison... that sucks. I work with several people that have done more prison time than you and they collect several benefits, including food stamps. So I am a bit confused. Perhaps different states have different laws.


I do lots of things to stem what I think is wrong for my country: vote, write letters, emails, make calls, donate to campaigns, talk to others that may be interested. But I don't walk with a slogan anymore.


And here is what I have discovered about doing that... not many care. Not many even believe wars are wrong... hell they don't even know there is a war going on. But most know when the next episode of their favorite reality show is on.


I wish you well in your fight with the windmill. Mostly what I find with politics and the ensuing discussions is everyone gets angry and more convicted in the belief their opinion is more deserving than the other guy's. I am tired of being angry.

[NowhereInTime]

i think a big chunk of the problem is rooted in the fact that it's all people can do to keep the bills paid and the cable tv going.  both parents have to work, etc... nobody has time to be outraged by anything anymore, and even when they are outraged, there's this weighty feeling of futility that erodes what would otherwise be a sense of duty to fight for things.

Not only genius enough to build this site but spot on with analysis. 

[NowhereInTime]

The 'right to protest' has been thoroughly abused. 

It's been used to block roads, bridges, buildings, and freeways, it often turns into a burning and looting spree, 'protesters' routinely attack police, they block people from using sidewalks and gaining access to wherever they are going.  It's usually heavy on hating America, with speakers there specifically to incite the crowd.

There is no 'right' to any of this.  The Amendment actually reads "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of people peaceably to assemble, and petition the government for a redress of grievances."...

Yet you support gun rights even though the second amendment speaks of "a well regulated militia" and you preach the same socio-economic beliefs as Barry "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" Goldwater.
Leaving aside how consistently inconsistent conservative/libertarian argument is, the most valuable and important right is the right to say what the hell we want to power.  This is what pisses people like you off the most, because there are many of us who are sick of the laissez- faire-markets-do-as thou-wilt mentality of a tiny yet economically powerful minority who's only response is, in effect, "love it or leave it."  I'm glad that Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Washington didn't believe that the right to protest was "thoroughly abused" after writing the Declaration, or we'd all be singing "God Save the Queen."

[Zoo]

I was charged with a class B-Felony for sale and distribution of 30 grams of marijuana that was left in a book bag in my car. I didn't know it was their plan and simple. When I went to court they offered me two years of probation if I plead guilty to a class A-Misdemeanor of possession. If I would have plead guilty I would of lost my football scholarship to college back in 1996; so stupid me I fought it and they up my charges to a class B-Felony because in the great state of Missouri the drive is reliable for everyone and everything in the vehicle. So when the jury come back with guilty after 21 minutes the judge gave me four years and lost my scholarship.

As for Paper-Boy the Right to Assemble covers protesting or do you think it doesn't? As for economics that's the biggest con's of them all. Do you ever wonder why humans are the only creature on Earth that pay to live on it? ""Those who blindly follow rules are fools and deserve to be ruled."" MK Jr

As for applying for aid in MO when I went to apply they told me I could not receive any benefits because of my drug conviction. Funny thing is if I was a murder, rapist, or even a child molester I could receive all of them. That's awesome right?

Just maybe if one day we will learn to respect and help each other instead of trying to in slave each other till then I will fight with my brothers and sister!!1

[onan]

I was charged with a class B-Felony for sale and distribution of 30 grams of marijuana that was left in a book bag in my car. I didn't know it was their plan and simple. When I went to court they offered me two years of probation if I plead guilty to a class A-Misdemeanor of possession. If I would have plead guilty I would of lost my football scholarship to college back in 1996; so stupid me I fought it and they up my charges to a class B-Felony because in the great state of Missouri the drive is reliable for everyone and everything in the vehicle. So when the jury come back with guilty after 21 minutes the judge gave me four years and lost my scholarship.

As for Paper-Boy the Right to Assemble covers protesting or do you think it doesn't? As for economics that's the biggest con's of them all. Do you ever wonder why humans are the only creature on Earth that pay to live on it? ""Those who blindly follow rules are fools and deserve to be ruled."" MK Jr

As for applying for aid in MO when I went to apply they told me I could not receive any benefits because of my drug conviction. Funny thing is if I was a murder, rapist, or even a child molester I could receive all of them. That's awesome right?

Just maybe if one day we will learn to respect and help each other instead of trying to in slave each other till then I will fight with my brothers and sister!!1

Yeah it does stink. And I am sorry about the windmill comment. If anyone has a right to protest it would be you.

[PB the Deplorable]

Yet you support gun rights even though the second amendment speaks of "a well regulated militia" and you preach the same socio-economic beliefs as Barry "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" Goldwater.
Leaving aside how consistently inconsistent conservative/libertarian argument is, the most valuable and important right is the right to say what the hell we want to power.  This is what pisses people like you off the most, because there are many of us who are sick of the laissez- faire-markets-do-as thou-wilt mentality of a tiny yet economically powerful minority who's only response is, in effect, "love it or leave it."  I'm glad that Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Washington didn't believe that the right to protest was "thoroughly abused" after writing the Declaration, or we'd all be singing "God Save the Queen."

The only thing I'm against is blocking roads and bridges, blocking businesses and sidewalks, attacking police, burning and looting, and mostly - not respecting the rights of others.  The people out to incite the riot are more than dishonest, twisting facts to get the desired response. 

People can gather and say whatever they like, of course that's legal.  It's this other stuff that seems to go with it too often that isn't.  The thing is, most big cities are run by people with this same mindset, so the riot is allowed, actually encouraged.

Demonstrations must be carried out differently where you guys live.  Here, if the university or someone else invites a speaker that the Left doesn't like, they come in, block access, blow whistles, anything they can think of to not allow the invited speaker to speak.  It always works.  They then go in front of the cameras, claim victimhood, talk about how peaceful and tolerant they are, and claim they were simply exercising their right to speak.  And like I said, anyone other than the Leftist mob is scorned when they try to organize a demonstration.

So I don't have any respect at all for these people.  Usually what it is about is a show of force, letting us know they are still out there, they like to probe the police to see what action they will take against various tactics and the like.  They are mostly a bunch of bratty thugs with zero regard for anyone else's rights. 


Of course they are mostly ignored, people long ago tired of it and see them as a bunch of clowns.  And know better than to be in the vicinity or leave their cars in their path.

[Sardondi]

What rights have you lost? I mean tell me something that has changed your way of life...

Have you tried building something? Have you tried to manufacture something? Have you tried to create a business? Have you tried to educate your child? Have you tried to discipline your child? Have you tried to buy or sell real property? Or teach your children that the practice of homosexuality is sinful? Have you tried to just be left the hell alone?

The government is in everything we do, and we must live as the government prescribes. What business is it of the government if some idiots want to name their child "Adolph Hitler"? A man lost custody of his children over that. Whether it's a good idea is not the point: interfering in something so personal "because it's for the good of the kids" (the pretext for everything from Waco to the debacle of the First Harridan's Rules For Schools) was never considered the government's business until the last couple of decades of ever encroaching government control. You'd better by God believe that we live our lives by what the government permits, which is precisely the opposite of the approach this country took for it's first 200 or so years of existence. Not being able to live our lives as we deem fit without seeking government approval is damn sure a loss of freedom. 

[Zoo]

Yeah it does stink. And I am sorry about the windmill comment. If anyone has a right to protest it would be you.

No stress onan it's all good; it's smart to question everything no harm done!!1

[PB the Deplorable]

Also, for those that decry the level of political discourse in our country, a study of the actions of the Left-wing mob and the Left wing in general may be in order.  In addition to all the above fascist tactics, everyone that didn't agree with the D's or the Left, or even just had an idea they didn't approve of - for decades - were smeared with 'Nazi', 'Hitler', 'racist', 'homophobe', on and on. 

With the election of Obama - when one of these extremists actually became President of the United States - people decided to stop backing down and stop being worried about being smeared and stand up and try to save the country.  Some started firing back using some of the very same tactics that had been used against them and their ideas all these years.  Not the worst and most disgusting of the Alinsky tactics, but some of them.  So now suddenly the Libs have noticed a nasty discourse.  Wow, welcome.

Oh sure, there had been people like Rush Limbaugh who saw the Left all along for who they were and taunted them with humor.  And here and there were the Ann Coulters that said the hell with it and responded to it in kind earlier on.  Well, now for the most part it's no longer one side trashing the other - although the Conservatives have a long ways to go be as low and just all around ugly as the 'Progressives' and the Left. 

And the Libs can't handle it.  Note the Left doesn't seem to mind - the more chaos the better as far as they are concerned.  They've always been quick to declare themselves 'victims', now it's the 'police' - who they've been attacking all along at these events - that are 'out of line'. 

[PB the Deplorable]

I was charged with a class B-Felony for sale and distribution of 30 grams of marijuana that was left in a book bag in my car. I didn't know it was their plan and simple. When I went to court they offered me two years of probation if I plead guilty to a class A-Misdemeanor of possession. If I would have plead guilty I would of lost my football scholarship to college back in 1996; so stupid me I fought it and they up my charges to a class B-Felony because in the great state of Missouri the drive is reliable for everyone and everything in the vehicle. So when the jury come back with guilty after 21 minutes the judge gave me four years and lost my scholarship...

Let me just add my outrage at this.  This shouldn't have happened to anyone.  I've never been to the South, the Midwest, or the East.  I'm not saying that kind of shit doesn't happen out here, but I think there is less of it.  I'm pretty sure what happened to you would not have happened anywhere I've lived, although I could be naive about that.

[b_dubb]

"there should be limits to freedom" - george w bush

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[onan]

Have you tried building something? Have you tried to manufacture something? Have you tried to create a business? Have you tried to educate your child? Have you tried to discipline your child? Have you tried to buy or sell real property? Or teach your children that the practice of homosexuality is sinful? Have you tried to just be left the hell alone?

The government is in everything we do, and we must live as the government prescribes. What business is it of the government if some idiots want to name their child "Adolph Hitler"? A man lost custody of his children over that. Whether it's a good idea is not the point: interfering in something so personal "because it's for the good of the kids" (the pretext for everything from Waco to the debacle of the First Harridan's Rules For Schools) was never considered the government's business until the last couple of decades of ever encroaching government control. You'd better by God believe that we live our lives by what the government permits, which is precisely the opposite of the approach this country took for it's first 200 or so years of existence. Not being able to live our lives as we deem fit without seeking government approval is damn sure a loss of freedom.

To your first questions yes, yes, yes, yes, no to the homosexuality is sinful, no to being left the hell alone.


And you more than most must realize you have posted questions requesting simple answers to complex questions. Unfortunately, laws are supposed to be equitable. But the actual translation of a law can impact some negatively. For example, I want to build a guest home behind my house, sadly in doing so I block your view of the stream you have enjoyed for some time. Although a cumbersome law for me, not so bad for you. Worse case I want to build an addition to the back of my living room... how hard can that be? Oh I don't even own a hammer... but I am sure I can do it myself. So just because you want to build on your private property doesn't mean others shouldn't have some concern. On the other hand if you want to build a barn on your 1000 acre farm I doubt there will be much fuss unless there is some specific issue.


Not only have I started a business I actually supported my family doing so for more than a decade, but my customers were the reason I closed, not the government. I see the aftermath of homeschooling. A significant number of biological antecedents have no business raising children let alone educating them. Call me hitler, mao, pol pot (sp), or any other despot, I don't care. If you want to name your child Adolf Hitler, there is something wrong with you, and your child shouldn't have to suffer because of it. In the last 3 weeks I have had to deal with a child named ********* (gaddamned confidentiality)... not a last name, the first name. Is the name the issue, not really, but yeah. It sets up an unnecessary predisposition to violence. I can't begin to think what kind of future anyone named Hitler would have if they decided to ever leave the compound.


Parenting isn't a divine right. Contrary to popular belief, society has a reasonable expectation of equitable responsibility. Meaning when we bump into a passerby we are not afraid of that interaction. That demands a certain amount of socialization.


I get so sick of the government is suppressing my freedoms. There are few places where one can truly be an island. And honestly few really want that... oh yeah "leave me alone" is their mantra but they still want the freebies society offers. "Leave me alone" often means "don't make me do anything that takes any form of discipline". If anyone wants to live without following the rules we have in place, it will be a very tough road. Does that mean the rules are always right? fuck no. But we both know that all of the rules are not always bad, more often than not they are to our betterment. And to place the argument outside that truism makes it rather disingenuous.

[Yorkshire pud]

To your first questions yes, yes, yes, yes, no to the homosexuality is sinful, no to being left the hell alone.


And you more than most must realize you have posted questions requesting simple answers to complex questions. Unfortunately, laws are supposed to be equitable. But the actual translation of a law can impact some negatively. For example, I want to build a guest home behind my house, sadly in doing so I block your view of the stream you have enjoyed for some time. Although a cumbersome law for me, not so bad for you. Worse case I want to build an addition to the back of my living room... how hard can that be? Oh I don't even own a hammer... but I am sure I can do it myself. So just because you want to build on your private property doesn't mean others shouldn't have some concern. On the other hand if you want to build a barn on your 1000 acre farm I doubt there will be much fuss unless there is some specific issue.


Not only have I started a business I actually supported my family doing so for more than a decade, but my customers were the reason I closed, not the government. I see the aftermath of homeschooling. A significant number of biological antecedents have no business raising children let alone educating them. Call me hitler, mao, pol pot (sp), or any other despot, I don't care. If you want to name your child Adolf Hitler, there is something wrong with you, and your child shouldn't have to suffer because of it. In the last 3 weeks I have had to deal with a child named ********* (gaddamned confidentiality)... not a last name, the first name. Is the name the issue, not really, but yeah. It sets up an unnecessary predisposition to violence. I can't begin to think what kind of future anyone named Hitler would have if they decided to ever leave the compound.


Parenting isn't a divine right. Contrary to popular belief, society has a reasonable expectation of equitable responsibility. Meaning when we bump into a passerby we are not afraid of that interaction. That demands a certain amount of socialization.


I get so sick of the government is suppressing my freedoms. There are few places where one can truly be an island. And honestly few really want that... oh yeah "leave me alone" is their mantra but they still want the freebies society offers. "Leave me alone" often means "don't make me do anything that takes any form of discipline". If anyone wants to live without following the rules we have in place, it will be a very tough road. Does that mean the rules are always right? fuck no. But we both know that all of the rules are not always bad, more often than not they are to our betterment. And to place the argument outside that truism makes it rather disingenuous.

Nail, head, hit.... (thumbs up smiley)

[b_dubb]

the inherit problem with rule of law is that someone has to enforce the law. and if that someone's underlying purpose is to be as big a dick as possible it doesn't matter what the spirit of the law is or what the letter of the law is. and that's why the police are often called pigs

[PB the Deplorable]

Because it's their right plain in simple...

Not to beat this into the ground, but there is no right to be disruptive.  It's actually against the law to be disruptive in public. 

Just because something is going on at a certain location that the Left doesn't like, they don't have the right to flock there and hold a demonstration, block the streets, shout down anyone trying to speak, or any of it.  Why is that so easy to understand when it comes to abortion clinic protesters, but not when the usual mob comes out?

They are free to voice their opinions anywhere and anytime, but not to encroach on the rights of others. 

If they attack the police, that endangers everyone and they get what they get when the police try to restore order.  In fact they purposely attack police in order to test and see which actions lead to what response.

[Zoo]

Not to beat this into the ground, but there is no right to be disruptive.  It's actually against the law to be disruptive in public.

I got to say this the last large protest I went to in NY I saw a beat a cop beat a 17yr old girl that was maybe 5'1" and 90 pounds because see tried to give him a flower. Now the crowed helped this poor girl out and when we finally got her out he had cracked her skull and broker her nose all because of a flower. So yes their is a right to be disruptive; we tried to file a report against this officer and we where told they we had to give them are name, as well as the officers name to file a report which is a flat out lie. They never did give us a report and the ACLU filed against him for us. In the end the cop was never prosecuted because she assaulted him with a flower. So this is what I have seen more than I would like. So when a cop beats a citizen with no riot gear it's ok but if someone tries  to give a flower it's assault. If that's justice then their will never be peace.

As for blocking a street, building, or bridge I kind of agree a little only because if they don't let  Emergency vehicles threw as for the rest though luck suck it up and go around or better yet join in. If you don't like it then protest against it because that's your right. I can remember when Glen Beck was in D.C. they block a whole area to where other people couldn't us it. Was that wrong as well? I think there is something more to it why you hate this so much!!1

[PB the Deplorable]

I got to say this the last large protest I went to in NY I saw a beat a cop beat a 17yr old girl that was maybe 5'1" and 90 pounds because see tried to give him a flower...

That probably shouldn't happen, and I'm no friend or defender of the cops either.  There may or may not be more to the story - like what the crowd was doing just before, or what happened last time after someone gave the officer a flower, or what the mood of the crowd was.  But this is just the sort of thing the organizers push for - they need it, the protesters are always going to portray themselves as victims.  Everyone knows good and well this stuff is done to provoke the police, to try to get the reaction.  There were probably a zillion interactions with the police but these are the ones that find their way onto TV. 


I have no doubt our more and more fascist police are capable of this or anything., but like I said, part of what the mob is doing to trying to determine police tactics - what happens if we do this, what happens if we do that, what happens if we approach them seemingly peacefully with a flower after they've repeatedly warned us to stay where we are, or to disperse.

One thing about attacking police, here in the US, anywhere else in the world, any other time in history - they are going to react and it won't be pretty.  And it's not just one group against another - they represent the citizens of this country.  The protesters do not.

... So yes their is a right to be disruptive...

As for blocking a street, building, or bridge I kind of agree a little only because if they don't let  Emergency vehicles threw as for the rest though luck suck it up...

Really, so their illegal disorderly conduct - based on the ACLU's version of the Constitution  - trumps everyone else's rights?  How does one 'go around' when these people are drowning out an invited speaker when that speaker is trying to exercise his or her own right to speak?  Why are their 'rights' to drown out the speaker more important then the rights of others who came to hear what the speaker has to say? 

When did inciting the crowd into a raging, looting, burning crime spree become legal?

Why do we have to 'suck it up' when our streets and bridges are being illegally blocked?

There is no 'right' to any of this.

... If you don't like it then protest against it because that's your right..

Most of the rest of us are adults and law abiding citizens.  We don't throw public tantrums and go on crime sprees just to try to intimidate others and just because we can.  This is the Left flexing their muscles, letting us know they are still out there and still hate us, still waiting for the chance to seize power.

Look at the Tea Party.  They went through channels to get permits and held rallies in parks or down in front of town halls.  They showed up at their Congressman's meeting.  The rallies were pretty tame.  The meetings got a little heated and confrontational, but if there ever was a place for it, it would be at a meeting with a Congressman - and things should get a little heated when we are watching our country being stolen.  But there were no riots, nobody was hurt, there was no destruction of property - just an honest airing of views directly to a lawmaker.

And what did the Tea Party get from the always pro-protester Media?  Nothing but scorn and ridicule.    The Left retains the right to take to the streets for themselves only.

The Tea Party then went out and ran candidates of their own - that's what civilized people do in our country, not this other shit.

... I think there is something more to it why you hate this so much!!1

Not really.  Just so sick of these people.

By the way, you mentioned being against flag burning a few posts back.  I don't really care about that so much - 'so what' really.  What's good about it is that it shows just exactly who these people are - they can't then pretend to be regular joe's just out to do what's right, to get the country back on track, to appeal for justice, etc.  Nope, these people hate the US, our system of free exchange, our system of government, our freedom and liberty. 

I think flags, matches and lighter fluid should be passed out at these events so everyone watching can understand what is going on.  One or two flags here and there isn't getting the message through

[Zoo]

Paper*Boy you are something else I am enjoying are back and forth. I need to learn how take small quotes because of every time I try it the whole thing comes with it. So I'm going to do it this way.

1. I was with the girl that got her skull cracked(not dating but came with her and her Dad): she did nothing wrong nor did anyone else(besides yelling and flicking them of but their big strong guy's they can take it) trust me I'm always up front. It was peaceful until that moment then it turned.

2. Protests are not riots- I'm not understanding how you are linking them together things on the West Coast must be different.

3. Freedom of speech goes for everyone no matter what. So the speaker can speak and the crowed can yell back that"s just how it is.

4. So called adults are the one's who let this country get as bad as it is for doing nothing but bicth; so maybe let the youth try something because what ever the so called adults haven't changed a thing. This is just my opinion if it's not broke don't fix it; well it's broke.

5. I hate the Left and the Right both these to dumb-ass parties have done nothing but dived this nation. This is the fault of the Media as well as the parties, as well as most of the people for not seeing their bs for such a long time ago.

What is your thoughts on Hacktivism?

[PB the Deplorable]

Here's one I came across the other day



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[onan]

Here's one I came across the other day



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right around this time.

[Yorkshire pud]

Here's one I came across the other day



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If it's any parallel to similar in the UK, the new 'riot' uniform agenda was trailed in the mid 80's in the press. The police wanted more protection than could be afforded by cotton and serge. It originated with the troubles in Northern Ireland, and the former RUC. Having petrol bombs thrown at them kind of concentrated the mind when it comes to self preservation I guess. Now whenever we have big demonstrations where it's suspected / expected to result in trouble, the riot shields and kevlar protected uniform come out as a first response.

[Yorkshire pud]

Here's one I came across the other day



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Scroll to the bottom to flick through the pictures.. A summer evening's activities in certain parts of NI.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23299768