Explain: What makes Art Bell so much better than George Noory?

[MV/Liberace!]

Literacy.

[West of the Rockies]

Nah, you're not a fan of anybody. You just come to a website expressly dedicated to the spewing of vitriol over how one cretinous host has destroyed a truly unique radio show with his incompetence and mediocrity, which website has over 100,000 posts and a gazillion hits, which has literally thousands, tens of thousands of posts, spelling chapter and verse of what is wrong with George Noory, and you join just so you can start a thread and ask "Gosh, what's wrong with Georgie boy? Please think for me, because it's too hard for me to do it". Spoken like a true Noory. It's only all over the internet. But maybe someone will come along and do your thinking for you.

Way harsh, Sardondi...  I loved it!

[ItsOver]

Nah, you're not a fan of anybody. You just come to a website expressly dedicated to the spewing of vitriol over how one cretinous host has destroyed a truly unique radio show with his incompetence and mediocrity, which website has over 100,000 posts and a gazillion hits, which has literally thousands, tens of thousands of posts, spelling chapter and verse of what is wrong with George Noory, and you join just so you can start a thread and ask "Gosh, what's wrong with Georgie boy? Please think for me, because it's too hard for me to do it". Spoken like a true Noory. It's only all over the internet. But maybe someone will come along and do your thinking for you.

The REAL "trooth." 

[Sardondi]

I read these things in cold blood when the pique is gone...and I'm actually a little ashamed for being a bully. And that's not the only time I've done this. I feel guilty. 

[popple]

Jorch = ?
Art = !

[NefariousBanana]

I read these things in cold blood when the pique is gone...and I'm actually a little ashamed for being a bully. And that's not the only time I've done this. I feel guilty.

Same here.  If OP really was a young listener, I feel bad for him that a lynch mob came out accusing him of being Tommy. 

[NefariousBanana]

It's a generational thing. I think you would just have to have been a veteran listener of C2C who came to love it with Art Bell as the host to fully be able to appreciate him and how much different he was. I use the Tonight Show comparison again. Those of us who were born and raised with Johnny Carson know what a legend and master of comedy he was, while younger folks may not find him as funny as Jay Leno. (Or even know who Carson is!) Original listeners to Coast feel it's never been the same without Art, while those who came in later with Snoory don't know any different.

Same goes with the younger generation that enjoyed the Star Wars prequels.  Those kids are already in their 20s, btw.

[onan]

Is it time for another group hug?

[Harmness]

i have also been accused of being "tommy."  me.

I think most of us figured this out a long time ago.

[Harmness]

Is it time for another group hug?

Maybe.  What are you wearing?

[onan]

Maybe.  What are you wearing?

mostly on other's nerves.

[Sardondi]

Literacy.

Fucking Tommy.

[sampson2625]

        Why are the Beatles better than the 1910 Fruitgum Company?

        Why is not stepping in dog shit better than stepping in dog shit?

That's some science FACT!

[NoMoreNoory]

Really? Is this a serious enquiry?
You can't even really make a comparison, in my opinion, because Noory is not fit for purpose as a radio broadcaster. He can't read, speak, conduct an interview or engage with callers. He is a self-serving liar and has no intellectual curiosity, preferring to pretend he knows everything than be honest about gaps in his knowledge. Noory is simply the most incompetent broadcaster I've ever listened to. Almost anyone would be better, let alone Art.

[nooryisawesome]

Here art will tell you

http://www.youtube.com/embed/TbWN_ccdSUk?autoplay=1

[Murder101]

I've been into Paranormal radio for years now, since maybe around 05.  I was never a Coast fan because I always heard Noory when the radio would occasionally pick it up and I just didn't think it was all that good or worth the effort put into making my radio pick it up. It's was weird to me that Coast was supposed to be the granddaddy of them all. About  3 years ago I found a youtube channel archiving Coast so I gave a listen one night. Thought it was ok and kept listening for a couple weeks until Noory got on my nerves. I decided that if Noory was on youtube maybe Art Bell was. I had never heard Art but had heard of him. I searched and quickly found the Mel's Hole episodes. I fell in love with classic coast. I downloaded everything I could get my hands on. I have this one memory of going to another state to visit family that involves Art's show. I'm a person that needs something interesting to watch or listen to when I'm trying to go to sleep. On this visit the place where I was sleeping had no TV so I turned on my laptop and fired up some Art Bell I had on it. One night was a Bigfoot show, one night was about pirate radio and the last was a Malachi Martin interview.  Art was able to pull me in and provide loads of entertainment while Noory just had me kind of interested for a short time then  pushed me away.  As a guy who's loved talk radio in general since he was around 13(I'm almost 22), Noory might be the worst professional talk show host I've ever heard. I've heard worse on Shoutcast but never on actual radio broadcasts.

[RedMichael]

I think it is important to point out that if we all had the chance to choose whether we enjoyed Noory as a host or not we would choose to like him as a host. Thinking people get off on disliking someone or enjoy it in this case just doesn't make sense. Noory has not given us a choice.


Coast to coast is 4 hours long. That is at least 20 hours of potential enjoyment that is lost due to at least one of the current hosts. If anyone could, would they please convince me that any one of us would willing give up such a large source of enjoyment...because we enjoy...not enjoying it?


There are surely "haters" out there but it is most likely a microscopic fraction and I would be more than happy to listen to anyone argue otherwise.

[Jfredmuggs]

Art Bell was a libertarian of ideas.  He gave everyone a shot, without overt mockery (there would be the slightest hint of skepticism in his voice, however).
George Noory, on the other hand, pimps his  guests.  Whatever they're peddling, he's peddling too. 
Alternative theory:  Noory has no beliefs and only reflects and simply agrees with the point of view being propounded at the present time.

[3OctaveFart]

George's stock reply to an incredibly well-expressed response is quite often "Indeed."

Like he has been appointed to confer truthfulness. It's because he literally has nothing to say.

He has no gift for conversation. It's as simple as that.

This Atlantic piece on GN is very generous.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/01/the-listener/7840/3/?single_page=true

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

George's stock reply to an incredibly well-expressed response is quite often "Indeed."

Like he has been appointed to confer truthfulness. It's because he literally has nothing to say.

He has no gift for conversation. It's as simple as that.

This Atlantic piece on GN is very generous.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/01/the-listener/7840/3/?single_page=true

Wow, that was a long article but I had no idea George was such great voice in the dark.  I almost feel bad for thinking he sucks. 

I found it interesting, but not surprising, that Noory keeps an overhead TV tuned to Fox News.  Also these comments were rather interesting :

" 'There's no question that right-wing talk radio features that characteristic of distrust and fear that is a part of the text of Coast to Coast—fear of the unknown, fear of invasion, fear of being taken over by some kind of evil force," says Michael C. Keith, a communications professor at Boston College and the author of Sounds in the Dark: All-Night Radio in American Life. "I think political talk radio is very much aware of the Coast to Coast phenomenon, and knows that if it pushes certain buttons, albeit with a political motif, it will also generate the right kind of response. All of this feeds paranoia, regardless of where it comes from.' "

No wonder Coast to Coast seems increasingly gravitating towards right-wing style paranoia.  That's where their audience is.

[Sardondi]

...No wonder Coast to Coast seems increasingly gravitating towards right-wing style paranoia.  That's where their audience is.

*sigh* The canard that will not die...because it keeps being pushed. Noory is by no means "conservative",, either politically, economically or culturally/socially (although "right wing" has been so wildly overused that is really can't still be fairly be considered to include conservatism). In fact, Noory really has no consistent position, no ideology or guiding principles of governance.

He is instead more a classic grass-roots populist, as is Art Bell to a lesser degree. And the execrable Alex Jones for that matter. Their political and cultural positions are a grab-bag of ideas, from all over the political spectrum. The populist philosophy can be reduced to the simple "little guy vs. the elites", and has elements of socialism as well as fascist overtones. But it comes down to politics with a chip-on-the-shoulder attitude, which is suspicious of any wealth, attainment or authority in the mainstream. Rather, the populists trust only "outsider" authorities and "maverick" businessmen, educators and politicians.

Populism is a far more accurate explanation for the wonder that is George than calling him "right-wing" I think.

[onan]

*sigh* The canard that will not die...because it keeps being pushed. Noory is by no means "conservative",,

Noory isn't bright enough to carry any political ideology. Since I don't listen to the show and haven't for more than 2 years now (yay me) it is tough to say with any certainty why people believe c2c is more "right wing".


My guess would be, that many of the guests also use canards rather than formulate any credible or logical answer to questions.

[RedMichael]

If you mean populism as in he is one of the elites, im with you. I never even thought he was remotely populist. It doesn't matter though because that is a political doctrine and not a party. So even though he isn't populist, even if he was, he is still right leaning.


Talking conspiracies about super elites isn't populist but a mental condition. He leans right and the shows during the election he couldn't keep his views to himself. To all the rightwingers out there, don't be insulted, we all know George is a special case.

And who knows? It might be a cyclical thing that depends on who is in charge of the government at the time. I didn't listen much 6+ years ago so I have no basis for comparison. I think I trust peoples perception of where someone leans anymore because we are exposed to this everyday. I think most people do it subconsciously any more because which way someone leans can be detrimental if those around them lean a different way. George just isn't capable of being bigger than that.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Noory is by no means "conservative",, either politically, economically or culturally/socially...

He is instead more a classic grass-roots populist, as is Art Bell to a lesser degree. And the execrable Alex Jones for that matter. Their political and cultural positions are a grab-bag of ideas, from all over the political spectrum. The populist philosophy can be reduced to the simple "little guy vs. the elites", and has elements of socialism as well as fascist overtones...

Populism is a far more accurate explanation for the wonder that is George than calling him "right-wing" I think.

I think you are correct, although I have not listened for a few years either.  What I remember was that the Snorge was all over the place, and even contradicted himself regularly.

I think what people are talking about though are the guests he has on from World Net Daily - which is Conservative/conspiratorial, and similar, but doesn't seem to have many guests that are as easily identified with Left wing politics

But he's really too uninformed and lazy to have coherent views that fit anywhere.

[onan]

But he's really too uninformed and lazy to have coherent views that fit anywhere.

Ding, Ding, Ding... it is cigar time.

[RedMichael]

But he's really too uninformed and lazy to have coherent views that fit anywhere.

Pretty much. He really isn't capable of presenting his views and I could see the guest thing since he latches onto whatever views a guest has to make the interview go "smooth".

[s1alker]

George Noory simply does whatever his bosses tell him to do. It's corporate radio after all.

[MV/Liberace!]

Fucking Tommy.

heh heh

[Renaldo]

I loved how Art's bumper music fit the mood of the show.  I recall the long, slow, eerie intro to "In the Air Tonight" by Phil Collins.  Then there was Abba, Cusco, somehow it just fit.

This is a big part of it, IMHO. If you listened to Art, he would telegraph his feelings on the show and guest with his bumpers. Abba was a big part of that. If it was an open lines show and he was having a great time, Abba was played. If it was a serious topic and he was getting a bit scared/apprehensive, Abba also came out to cheer him up and to cut the mood a bit.

[Heather Wade]

Art is the total package, and Nooron is the empty wrapping.