Richard C. Hoagland

astroguy · July 23, 2012, 01:51:19 AM

Alrighty, I created a 4.5-minute movie debunking this:

Hoagland Falls for a Hoax, Further Perpetrating It

This is my first "official" movie from my podcast and it took me around 3-4 hours to make the friggin' 4.5-minute thing ... lemme know what you think.

Note that I was a tad less confrontational than HAL 9000's video.

ziznak · July 23, 2012, 02:02:52 AM

Quote from: astroguy on July 22, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
Themselves or a loved one (yay Law and Order SVU!).

Munchausen by proxy is when you hurt somebody else... usually this applies to the "crazy" mother characters that populate Law and Order and CSI shows.

congrats on the movie too. Very well done.

astroguy · July 23, 2012, 02:04:17 AM

Quote from: ziznak on July 23, 2012, 02:02:52 AM
Munchausen by proxy is when you hurt somebody else... usually this applies to the "crazy" mother characters that populate Law and Order and CSI shows.

Ah yes, that's what they said. Many years ago that I saw that episode ... thanks.

HAL 9000 · July 23, 2012, 02:29:03 AM

Quote from: astroguy on July 23, 2012, 01:51:19 AMThis is my first "official" movie from my podcast and it took me around 3-4 hours to make the friggin' 4.5-minute thing ... lemme know what you think. Note that I was a tad less confrontational than HAL 9000's video.

I'm lovin' all the creativity as folks begin to earnestly expose these frauds. However, when in my video, I say that, "Richard C. Hoagland is a lying Dick," I was merely using the "shorthand" version of Richard, which is Dick.

So, as Edward is a Ted, Richard is a Dick. A lying Dick.

astroguy · July 23, 2012, 02:33:16 AM

Quote from: HAL 9000 on July 23, 2012, 02:29:03 AM
I'm lovin' all the creativity as folks begin to earnestly expose these frauds. However, when in my video, I say that, "Richard C. Hoagland is a lying Dick," I was merely using the "shorthand" version of Richard, which is Dick.

So, as Edward is a Ted, Richard is a Dick. A lying Dick.

Yeah, I figured that was going to be your save.

MV/Liberace! · July 25, 2012, 01:17:54 PM

Quote from: astroguy on July 23, 2012, 01:51:19 AM
Alrighty, I created a 4.5-minute movie debunking this:

Hoagland Falls for a Hoax, Further Perpetrating It
This is my first "official" movie from my podcast and it took me around 3-4 hours to make the friggin' 4.5-minute thing ... lemme know what you think. Note that I was a tad less confrontational than HAL 9000's video.

VERY nicely done.

astroguy · July 25, 2012, 01:19:53 PM

Thanks. I feel like I should mention that I've updated it a bit, correcting a mistake I made about shadows (you can scatter light, but there's nothing nearby to scatter light) and I added a minute where I locate the feature in the latest imagery. Link here.

coaster · July 25, 2012, 04:20:40 PM

That Dil Smith guy Expat mentioned in his blog post is me. Its not my real name, but Hoagland and Bara have blocked my original facebook, so I've had to resort to creating different Facebook accounts.

expat · July 25, 2012, 04:48:22 PM

Well, thanks again "Dil" -- spot on. I've had two identities blocked by Hoag/Bara. Still have one in reserve....

astroguy · July 25, 2012, 04:51:12 PM

I haven't been blocked by either, yet. Should I take that as a compliment or an insult?

coaster · July 25, 2012, 08:45:57 PM

I asked Bara a question, he called me stupid and dishonest, and his brother called me a douchebag. So I asked his brother if he knew what an annular eclipse was because Mike didn't. I guess he deleted that post so he doesn't look like an idiot.

Oversoul · July 26, 2012, 08:43:35 AM

Quote from: expat on July 25, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
Well, thanks again "Dil" -- spot on. I've had two identities blocked by Hoag/Bara. Still have one in reserve....

Considering how trashy they are, I would take the censorship as a definite compliment to your having the upper hand over them.

Oversoul · July 26, 2012, 08:48:21 AM

Quote from: astroguy on July 25, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
I haven't been blocked by either, yet. Should I take that as a compliment or an insult?

One might take it as an insult. It might mean they have you eating from their hands or contently pecking off seeds from their feeder?

expat · July 26, 2012, 10:15:48 AM

Part of a message sent to Hoagland today: cc: Noory

You should be ashamed of going on C2C and marking the anniversary of a heroic achievement with a piece of self-promotional flim-flam that was an attack on the very agency that was responsible for the heroism. You said

"[T]his is only a tip of the iceberg, George, as to what they've been hiding for 43 years, that we have got to take control of now."

A few days later you wrote

"it seemed appropriate to remind everyone -- on the 43rd Apollo 11 Anniversary -- how MUCH NASA has been hiding, all these years"

It was not appropriate, Richard, not appropriate at all. It was SHAMEFUL.

Frys Girl · July 26, 2012, 10:23:54 AM

Once again, expat, thank you for your efforts in proving that Richard C. Hoagland is a fraud. You do it with taste and attention to detail and science. You're also humble. I love reading this updates because I can't believe how low he stoops each time he comes on Coast to Coast AM, and I also can't believe that George Noory doesn't say a word about it.

The only person I've seen George Noory grow a spine against is Alex Jones, and I think that was only rooted in jealousy and a sense of competition.

coaster · July 28, 2012, 06:36:49 PM

Looks like Bara finished his book. This is one book you can judge by its cover. If I were him, I'd be embarrassed by the cover, it's fucking horrendous.

astroguy · July 28, 2012, 09:38:42 PM

Quote from: coaster on July 28, 2012, 06:36:49 PM
Looks like Bara finished his book. This is one book you can judge by its cover. If I were him, I'd be embarrassed by the cover, it's fucking horrendous.

Clearly, that makes you a hater.

coaster · July 28, 2012, 10:49:39 PM

Quote from: astroguy on July 28, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
Clearly, that makes you a hater.

Obviously a hater. Or spreading disinformation, or a douchebag, maybe all three. What the hell is wrong with us that we don't understand? The evidence is clearly right in front of us. Hoagland had us pegged. We should just give up. Blurry, pixelated pictures are evidence, half assed theories are proof. I always thought that if you have some half baked bullshit theory, it was your responsibility to prove it to the world. its not. its up to the skeptics to prove it isnt real... :

But what do I know...I'm sane. The truth is pixelated pictures are $$$, half assed theories are $$$. crazy sells. And noory is the fucking guy behind the counter selling it.
Cheers to astroguy and expat for fighting the good fight. the sane, rational fight.

PseudoSentience · July 30, 2012, 03:39:33 PM

Listening to fineartstream, and the show where Hoaxland debates with Edgar Mitchell is on. What a disrespectful little turd hoagie is.

b_dubb · July 30, 2012, 04:41:47 PM

Quote from: PseudoSentience on July 30, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Listening to fineartstream, and the show where Hoaxland debates with Edgar Mitchell is on. What a disrespectful little turd hoagie is.

Dr Mitchell was waaaayyyyy to kind to discuss anything with The Dick. no American Hero should ever have to put up with that disrespectful prick. That Dr Mitchell was willing to discuss anything with The Dick speaks loads about what a quality individual Mitchell is. And The Dick ... well ... he's a dick

expat · July 31, 2012, 07:20:38 AM

Art Bell did a lousy job of moderating that travesty. He should have told Hoagland to stfu on more than one occasion.

ziznak · July 31, 2012, 07:23:25 AM

One thing I have to give Hoaxboy credit for Expat is that he actually does engage you on some level...

PseudoSentience · July 31, 2012, 11:59:29 AM

Quote from: ziznak on July 31, 2012, 07:23:25 AM
One thing I have to give Hoaxboy credit for Expat is that he actually does engage you on some level...

Is is a good speaker and an engaging personality...and there in lies the problem. He is easily able to deceive the general listening public who has very little knowledge of the science and mathematics that he claims support his findings.

For instance, I would imagine that a good portion of the coast audience views sending men to the moon to be just as much magic as it is mathematics. While the execution is highly difficult, the basic concepts and equations used to put a man in orbit, or transfer orbit to the moon are not terribly complex, yet since most people never take the time to understand it, they are prone to accept conspiracy theories and silly arguments as to why doing these things are impossible.

coaster · July 31, 2012, 12:12:46 PM

I was listening to the Mitchell/Hoaxland interview last night, but I could of sworn the show changed instead of playing the last hour. maybe it was my imagination. Cant believe Art would have a troll and an American hero on the same show. Pretty irresponsible and disrespectful imo.

MV/Liberace! · July 31, 2012, 06:34:54 PM

Quote from: PseudoSentience on July 30, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Listening to fineartstream, and the show where Hoaxland debates with Edgar Mitchell is on. What a disrespectful little turd hoagie is.

YES. that is exactly the thought i have playing on infinite loop when i hear an interview with hoagland.

ziznak · July 31, 2012, 06:39:16 PM

Quote from: PseudoSentience on July 31, 2012, 11:59:29 AM
Is is a good speaker and an engaging personality...and there in lies the problem. He is easily able to deceive the general listening public who has very little knowledge of the science and mathematics that he claims support his findings.

For instance, I would imagine that a good portion of the coast audience views sending men to the moon to be just as much magic as it is mathematics. While the execution is highly difficult, the basic concepts and equations used to put a man in orbit, or transfer orbit to the moon are not terribly complex, yet since most people never take the time to understand it, they are prone to accept conspiracy theories and silly arguments as to why doing these things are impossible.

I meant "engage" in that he actually reads Expats emails and replys to them... Listening to the Hoaxer speak actually really annoys the shit out of me. Hearing his voice alone raises the hackles on my back.

expat · August 01, 2012, 09:00:13 AM

Quote from: ziznak on July 31, 2012, 06:39:16 PM
I meant "engage" in that he actually reads Expats emails and replys to them...

Only rarely, actually -- but it was certainly useful to get something back from him on that crazy ziggurat.

I sent this to everyone at C2C:

Subject: SHAME ON YOU, RICHARD HOAGLAND

Hoagland's performance last Saturday for the Apollo 11 43rd anniversary was disgusting. What should have been a tribute to heroism was a shoddy and inaccurate attack on the agency responsible for that Heroism. Very, very inappropriate.

Shame on you Hoagland. Shame on you, Lisa Lyon. Shame on you, Tom Danheiser. Shame on you, George Noory.

The picture of a "ziggurat" he presented has been examined by a professional astronomer and found to be fraudulent.

http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_B01.php

Sardondi · August 02, 2012, 10:42:29 AM

Quote from: PseudoSentience on July 31, 2012, 11:59:29 AM
Is is a good speaker and an engaging personality...

Otherwise known as "facile". Which is most certainly not a compliment about agility...

Agent : Orange · August 02, 2012, 06:25:56 PM

Nice work from both Expat and Astroguy on their sound beat downs of Hoagland's crazy. Impressive.

And hang on, Astro - I'm sure that ban is on it's way

HAL 9000 · August 02, 2012, 09:20:42 PM

Not sure where to post this, but this thread seemed as good as any.

This is aimed at astroguy, but any can answer... I found this feature which looks like it is from Mars, but I can't say for sure... any thoughts on where it's from?

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