Richard C. Hoagland

[MV/Liberace!]

If what Hoaxboy thinks was true then an actual galactic alignment would create some sort of crazy cataclysmic torsion fields... inAccutron's would lose or gain a whole second or two!

i'm waiting for him to start talking about krieger waves.

[Wild Card Guy]

The killer there was "The Accutron went nuts for 12 hours non-stop" during the solstice. He seemed to think "solstice" = "galactic alignment" -- some fucking scientist.

We've been pressing him for some baseline readings and perhaps we've now got them. The Inaccutron is "nuts" all the time and any readings taken during eclipses and transits are as useless as a pork chop in a synagogue.

I just loved it how Hoagland's thick bullshit was pouring out of his mouth like the chocolate shake machine at McDonald's, and it was so obvious that Snoory didn't have one fucking clue as to what Hoagland was talking about...then again, neither did I.

[b_dubb]

i'm waiting for him to start talking about krieger waves.

orgone
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

[astroguy]

This post is excellent. I am so grateful for people, especially scientists, who take on Richard C. Hoagland. It's bad enough that science education and ignorance is so widespread without a deceiver like Hoagland wandering the airwaves.

Speaking as someone who does this (did I ever link to my podcast episode on RCH's 19.5° here?), sometimes it's not possible.  I'm around half-way through his "interview" from this week and it's like every sentence is just wrong.  It's hard to debunk 3 hours of pure spewage (yes, I know what I wrote).  I had the same problem when I tried to address a single interview of Mike Bara in my blog.

[ziznak]

from wikipedia... search for torsion field and one of the scroll down choices is "torsion field (psuedoscience)"

"A torsion field (also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field) is a pseudoscientific[1] theory of energy in which the quantum spin of particles can be used to cause emanations lacking mass and energy to carry information through a vacuum at one billion times the speed of light."

So if I have an accutron watch hooked up to a laptop and I get some fat guy to do a pirouette whilst farting then I should see some sort of jump in my little chart doo-hicky?

[Juan]

According to Hoagland, the spinning hooptie has to be "in a box." So I guess you need a large box to put the fat guy in.  That may, in itself, reduce the propensity for farting.

[Frys Girl]

I loved it when Richard C. Hoagland kept saying "you knew that, right?" He did it twice. First it was in regards to Stanley Cooper's daughter and then it was something related to physics. George said "oh yea" and "explain that." He's such a moron.

[fysisist]

Speaking as someone who does this (did I ever link to my podcast episode on RCH's 19.5° here?), sometimes it's not possible.  I'm around half-way through his "interview" from this week and it's like every sentence is just wrong.  It's hard to debunk 3 hours of pure spewage (yes, I know what I wrote).  I had the same problem when I tried to address a single interview of Mike Bara in my blog.

Yes this is why I have a hard time listening to RCHoax, just because almost every statement he makes is a monument to exaggeration, over-simplification, uncritical thinking, wild-speculation, and fabrication that it's almost stupefying if you are prone to trying to analyze or understand it in terms of known science and logical thought process.  By the time you think it through, he's piled on more BS then you can hope to digest.  That is why I hold that he is in fact a very clever fellow, however misled and egotistical he may be.  He runs circles around Noory (but then who couldn't).  But stooping to the level of asking for donations so he and his wife or whoever can travel around and make up more BS is going too far.  I hope he gets busted for some kind of fraud.

[astroguy]

I loved it when Richard C. Hoagland kept saying "you knew that, right?" He did it twice. First it was in regards to Stanley Cooper's daughter and then it was something related to physics. George said "oh yea" and "explain that." He's such a moron.

He does that every time. Richard tries to play teacher.  Of course, George just plays into it.  I love hate it whenever some guest says something that's just stupid or wrong or a popular misconception or whatever and George is like, "Exactly!" or "Of Course!" or "Yup!"  Richard doesn't quite let him get away with as much of that, but they still play off each other obnoxiously.

[thefamilyghost]

from wikipedia... search for torsion field and one of the scroll down choices is "torsion field (psuedoscience)"

"A torsion field (also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field) is a pseudoscientific[1] theory of energy in which the quantum spin of particles can be used to cause emanations lacking mass and energy to carry information through a vacuum at one billion times the speed of light."

So if I have an accutron watch hooked up to a laptop and I get some fat guy to do a pirouette whilst farting then I should see some sort of jump in my little chart doo-hicky?

Ah, so Mr. Hoagland is also doing research in quantum theory. What an inspiring figure. What DOESN'T he know?

[thefamilyghost]

Speaking as someone who does this (did I ever link to my podcast episode on RCH's 19.5° here?), sometimes it's not possible.  I'm around half-way through his "interview" from this week and it's like every sentence is just wrong.  It's hard to debunk 3 hours of pure spewage (yes, I know what I wrote).  I had the same problem when I tried to address a single interview of Mike Bara in my blog.

And he makes it intentionally hard to debunk. He says things that are such pure fantasy that you really can't debunk some of them...therefore you can't hold him legally responsible for lying. There's always some technicality, some twist he puts on things, where he says he doesn't mean what he said, or that you interpreted him wrong...sometimes I think that I will be so happy when I know enough physics to refute his theories...but it's almost like you can't actually get there because he's so bizarre. Not that he actually thinks about the physics of things before he tries to sell his ideas...the more I learn, the more I hate that man.

[stevesh]

I loved it when Richard C. Hoagland kept saying "you knew that, right?" He did it twice. First it was in regards to Stanley Cooper's daughter and then it was something related to physics. George said "oh yea" and "explain that." He's such a moron.

Someone needs to tell Hoagie that the Socratic method doesn't work on radio, especially when your 'student' isn't actually  listening to what you're saying and is way too much of a dolt to understand it anyway.

[coaster]

You don't really have to know much about physics to get what hoagland is saying. Just watch some old star trek episodes. thats where his wealth of knowledge comes from.

[Frys Girl]

You don't really have to know much about physics to get what hoagland is saying. Just watch some old star trek episodes. thats where his wealth of knowledge comes from.

Bingo. That's also why his "followers" or "fans" love him. They understand his simple terminology and think "yea! I've heard of that!" Man oh man.....

[expat]

You don't need to know a lot to mock Hoagland. In December 2010 he said the last three shuttle missions would be "post-Newtonian" -- powered by torsion physics. Check it out; they weren't. In December 2007 he said NASA would never resolve the ECO sensor problem with the shuttle tank because it was a hyperdimensional problem. Check it out; they did. In January 2010 he said the latitude of the Port-au-Prince earthquake was 19.5°N. Check it out; it isn't.

I could go on.....

[Frys Girl]

You don't need to know a lot to mock Hoagland. In December 2010 he said the last three shuttle missions would be "post-Newtonian" -- powered by torsion physics. Check it out; they weren't. In December 2007 he said NASA would never resolve the ECO sensor problem with the shuttle tank because it was a hyperdimensional problem. Check it out; they did. In January 2010 he said the latitude of the Port-au-Prince earthquake was 19.5°N. Check it out; it isn't.

I could go on.....

Richard C. Hoagland sucks. He's a confidence man.

[Rasputin]

You don't need to know a lot to mock Hoagland. In December 2010 he said the last three shuttle missions would be "post-Newtonian" -- powered by torsion physics. Check it out; they weren't. In December 2007 he said NASA would never resolve the ECO sensor problem with the shuttle tank because it was a hyperdimensional problem. Check it out; they did. In January 2010 he said the latitude of the Port-au-Prince earthquake was 19.5°N. Check it out; it isn't.

I could go on.....

RCH has said so much BS that never happened that someone could write a book filled with his ramblings. I would like to hear just one caller call this out sometime.

[Sardondi]

RCH has said so much BS that never happened that someone could write a book filled with his ramblings. I would like to hear just one caller call this out sometime.

It will never happen: Tommy's hand stays poised over the 7-second delay button for 20 minutes out of every one of the 8 half-hour segments of the shows when George hosts; and RCH is included in that "black hole of memory" protection. 

[MV/Liberace!]

RCH has said so much BS that never happened that someone could write a book filled with his ramblings. I would like to hear just one caller call this out sometime.

such a book could be measured in pounds rather than pages.

[astroguy]

such a book could be measured in pounds rather than pages.

Indeed.  Just to thoroughly explain any single one of Hoagland's "white papers" (read: rants on his site) would take at least 50 printed pages.  I went through a single one of Alex Tsakiris' interviews (he's another crazy guy) and just explaining SIX things he said took around 3500 words.  A previous interview of his, addressing 5 points, took me 3000 words.

[thefamilyghost]

Indeed.  Just to thoroughly explain any single one of Hoagland's "white papers" (read: rants on his site) would take at least 50 printed pages.  I went through a single one of Alex Tsakiris' interviews (he's another crazy guy) and just explaining SIX things he said took around 3500 words.  A previous interview of his, addressing 5 points, took me 3000 words.

Bravo for trying

It's unfortunate that there isn't some authority you could submit your works to go, and have him forced to take back some of his statements, on live radio 

[astroguy]

It's unfortunate that there isn't some authority you could submit your works to go, and have him forced to take back some of his statements, on live radio 

Is it wrong that I've dreamed about this once or twice?

[DAE]

expat, even if he were, it doesn't mean anything about what he shamefully promotes on coast to coast AM today. that was decades ago! not relevant at all.

I notice a lot of these researchers start off on the right path, or have decent skillsets.  Then once they get some sort of fame, their ego just gets in the way and is like a cancer which permeates whatever they do.  Not all, but almost all well known alternative researchers and authors have problematic egos.  I would predict they don't even have the insight to apologize if they did something wrong, but rather justify or prove the other person is wrong.  From my own personal point of view, these egos are probably the greatest barrier preventing me from wanting to donate money even if I feel their research is important.  If I had an extra 50k, I would donate it to John Hutchison or someone who retains their friendliness, helpfulness, and never shows a superior attitude towards others.

[PseudoSentience]

Even though I know Hoagland is 99% full of crap, I still used to enjoy his interviews in past years, like listening to a good fiction book,  but this year he has become largely annoying, and I rarely make it through much of an interview with him anymore.

[ziznak]

Actually I really like to listen to some of his old exchanges with Art.  IMO it seemed like most of the time Art was totally treating ol Hoaxy with a sort of disdain and at times seemed to be patronizing.  He would ask Hoaxy things that clearly Hoax didn't want to answer directly.  Check out the Fine Art stream you're bound to find a few appearances from mr swindler.

[Ben Shockley]

Even though I know Hoagland is 99% full of crap, I still used to enjoy his interviews in past years, like listening to a good fiction book,  but this year he has become largely annoying, and I rarely make it through much of an interview with him anymore.

Agreed, but it took you a few listens to really notice the full-of-crap-ness, I'll bet, like it did me too.

Actually I really like to listen to some of his old exchanges with Art.  IMO it seemed like most of the time Art was totally treating ol Hoaxy with a sort of disdain and at times seemed to be patronizing.  He would ask Hoaxy things that clearly Hoax didn't want to answer directly.  Check out the Fine Art stream...

My appraisal of their exchanges, over time and after hearing their oldest ones a few more times, was more that Art was always trying to cut RCH short  because Art himself couldn't understand RCH's math and theories and didn't want anyone else to "get" them.
Art always VERY MISTAKENLY thought himself the smartest kid in the room, and if he didn't immediately understand some theory in a by-the-numbers manner, he was 700% cocksure that no one else could get it either.  I remember many times back in the '90s, I was trying to follow RCH on some theory, and Art just rushed him and essentially told him that whatever RCH was saying didn't matter to whatever point RCH was trying to make -- got that?
Reason #63 why I am NOT a devotee of "Saint Art." 

[PseudoSentience]

Agreed, but it took you a few listens to really notice the full-of-crap-ness, I'll bet, like it did me too.

Definitely, when I first heard him, all I heard were a bunch of cool claims with rapid fire "facts" that I was trying to get my head around.  It was only after I listened to him a few times, and then started to actually think about what he was really claiming, and looking into it, that I realized he was full of it.  Hoagland is a fantastic speaker, and speaks very authoritatively, he has the personality of a cult leader, and it is easy to get drawn into his words, and not think about what he is actually saying.

[expat]

That's very true. The Fuckbook disciples (whose number is actually dwindling, I'm glad to say) have all the characteristics of cult members. Total blindness to any contrary opinion -- a desperate need to have the Master's approval.

Here's one of them, praising a new profile photo montage:

"It reflects the entire theme and philosophy of your site with brilliant simplicity and stunning imagery. In my humble opinion it is really a masterpiece and creates an exciting montage of promise and expectation that is grandly fulfilled with the content of your website content."

[[Insert the vomiting smiley icon]]

[Sardondi]

That's very true. The Fuckbook disciples (whose number is actually dwindling, I'm glad to say) have all the characteristics of cult members. Total blindness to any contrary opinion -- a desperate need to have the Master's approval.

Here's one of them, praising a new profile photo montage:
"It reflects the entire theme and philosophy of your site with brilliant simplicity and stunning imagery. In my humble opinion it is really a masterpiece and creates an exciting montage of promise and expectation that is grandly fulfilled with the content of your website content."
[[Insert the vomiting smiley icon]]

Wow.The neediness just pours off that one, doesn't it? -
      "Maybe if I'm full of praise, Richard will notice me. Notice me, Richard! Notice me!"

[Sardondi]

Perhaps this is a well known claim of Hoagland and I haven't paid attention, but I'm hearing for the first time Hoagland make statements that lean me to the "100% delusional" side.

The AB Stream is currently the 12/27/02 show, in which Hoagland, in that irritating schoolmarm-lectures-to-the-kids style of his, is telling the world that not just NASA, but the entire US is run by a huge cabal that practices a the ancient Egyptian religion. Space missions aren't timed by the stars and the future positions of astral bodies, but are the result of American leaders, who are the high priests of this cult, practicing rituals of the ancient religion. As I write this he's trying to connect the looming invasion of Iraq with the Egyptian cult, and he's talking 2012 and dividing by 2 to get some shocking goddam answer.

The man is just a loon. And Art is enabling him like a mf, and Hoagland just simpers.