October Surprise

[Ben Shockley]

mate, odds are against me every day of my life.  "Mally No-Show" ... that's me.

[ChancersAnswer]

mate, odds are against me every day of my life.  "Mally No-Show" ... that's me.

Ah, never mind mate. I know how you feel. Just watch out for the Hell's Angels, especially when you're going on a carriage train.

[Ben Shockley]

The Black Widows were meaner !! 

[stevesh]

Isn't "response" allowed in this forum, stevesh ??

Of course it is. You specialize in it. Most of your posts are cluttered with the words 'I' and 'me'. Makes you sound whiny, defensive (there it is again) and self-absorbed. My point was that, well, it's just a meaningless Internet forum. Why get all riled up over something some clown you don't know and never will know says about you ?

As for the right-wing leanings of the majority of members here, that's probably true, but it's true, in my experience, of almost all Internet forums. If you're looking for some left-wing fellow travellers, try the blogosphere. The Huffington Post awaits.

[BobGrau]

As a reluctant liberal-by-default, I was attracted to this forum by the fact that the right-wingers around here appear to have brains. I have yet to see even one reference to chewing tobacco or casual incest.

[ChancersAnswer]

The Black Widows were meaner !! 

When they had hair or had it all stripped off?

[RealCool Daddio]

I dunno, I don't think Ben is over reacting. Having a similar mind set I will share my thoughts. It is sometimes overwhelming to read the right leaning miasma of this forum. For a time I attempted to show that there is usually two sides to political issues. Often tried to reach some middle ground with other positions. Sometimes learned some valid points from different perspectives. But other than The General, Fry's Girl, Eddie Coyle, MV, and Mknight, I have not felt like there is much tolerance for another point of view.

So when Ben makes a post that is said to be defensive... well maybe, but it isn't an unreasonable response.

When I first came across what I thought of as extremely right views on this sight, I thought most were literally attempts at humor.  It took a while to realize that most were deadly serious.


Yesterday, I was closing on a house here in Texas (having moved from Canada), and needed to show ID. The agent saw my Conservative Party of Canada membership card, as it was across from my drivers license in my wallet, and started talking a bit about the election. It was pretty clear that she had genuine anger about Obama, and was very concerned about how far left he was. 


My comment: in Canada, Obama probably would be viewed as right of center.


I think this would probably be true in every Western democracy, in the entire free world in fact.  UK - Obama is a bit right of center.  Scandinavian countries - Obama is well right of center.  Germany, center right. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc. - Obama is a right winger. 


My point is that you already live in the most right wing democracy in the free world - you are now only arguing over how right you should be.  Not saying it isn't important to choose well, but from a global perspective, you have little chance of becoming a social democracy under Obama. 

[ziznak]

As a reluctant liberal-by-default, I was attracted to this forum by the fact that the right-wingers around here appear to have brains. I have yet to see even one reference to chewing tobacco or casual incest.

When I'm not chewing tobacco I like to have casual sex with my family.

[DangerousBlossom]

As a reluctant liberal-by-default, I was attracted to this forum by the fact that the right-wingers around here appear to have brains.

That's a little odd.  It wasn't because you think Noory sucks?

More seriously, I think you got this impression by viewing things thru the lens of the media.  They like to paint those they oppose as stupid, or crazy, or evil.  (Or any combination of the three.)

[Mind Flayer Monk]

More seriously, I think you got this impression by viewing things thru the lens of the media.  They like to paint those they oppose as stupid, or crazy, or evil.  (Or any combination of the three.)

Just reminded me:
Stupid
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans by Ann Coulter
http://www.amazon.com/Democrats-Had-Brains-Theyd-Republicans/dp/0307408957/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1343172968&sr=1-7&keywords=ann+coulter

Crazy
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions by Michael Savage
http://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Mental-Disorder-Savage-Solutions/dp/B000RWD3JG/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1343172604&sr=1-4

Evil
Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism by Sean Hannity
http://www.amazon.com/Deliver-Evil-Defeating-Terrorism-Liberalism/dp/0060582510/ref=la_B001ITXGRQ_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1343172841&sr=1-3

[MV/Liberace!]

First time we've had a person who many view as a communist as president.

no need for the soft language.  i believe barack obama IS a communist and masks it only enough to keep himself politically viable in this country.  every time he opens his dumb mouth i become more convinced.  i don't even need to hear about his past associations or cabinet appointments.  his own words do just fine in building the case.  i think his contempt for free enterprise/capitalism is unprecedented for an american president.





Obama: If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That ...





Obama Explains His Socialist Vision




yeah, it's a glenn beck video.  so what:

Is Barack Obama a communist?.wmv




as a business owner, i'd invite president obama to go to hell.  anyone who thinks i didn't build my business is a fucking moron who has no real life experience, credibility, or remote sense of fairness.  oooooh, he wasn't talking about MYYYY business, you say.  he was talking about "other" business.  ok.  whatever.  nice sidestep of the obvious.


when i look at barack obama, i see nothing but a walking representation of american decline.


oh, and just to disarm you in advance, don't talk to me about how awful bush was.  unlike most simplistic political observers, my criticism of obama doesn't imply support for the republican establishment.  dummy.

[MV/Liberace!]

As opposed to the apparent "received orthodoxy" of right-wing jingoism rampant in this forum?

who gives a shit what political philosophy dominates the forum at this time?  it's irrelevant to everything in every way.  in the past, my views have been outnumbered here ten to one.  there is an ebb and flow to what dominates this forum, which is one of the things i like about it.  if you call this place a right wing forum, it's because you haven't been here very long.

[MV/Liberace!]

Look guys: I'll play the game.      Tell me how to be a cool kid in the political threads in this forum.   Tell me who the privileged people are who can say what they want, and who I shouldn't reproach, and all that...  Just tell me the rules.

dude, there are no rules other than what's written in the terms of service, and i think you know that.  no need to frame yourself as a victim of something.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

i believe barack obama IS a communist and masks it only enough to keep himself politically viable in this country.  every time he opens his dumb mouth i become more convinced.  i don't even need to hear about his past associations or cabinet appointments.  his own words do just fine in building the case.  i think his contempt for free enterprise/capitalism is unprecedented for an american president.

So my right-wing friends say he is a communist and my left-wing friends say he is a right-winger.

A list of President Obama legislation
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation

A list of Senator Obama legislation
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+01763))


I need to figure out a way to compare his original bills to what finally passed.

[PB the Deplorable]

I dunno, I don't think Ben is over reacting. Having a similar mind set I will share my thoughts. It is sometimes overwhelming to read the right leaning miasma of this forum. For a time I attempted to show that there is usually two sides to political issues. Often tried to reach some middle ground with other positions. Sometimes learned some valid points from different perspectives. But other than The General, Fry's Girl, Eddie Coyle, MV, and Mknight, I have not felt like there is much tolerance for another point of view.

So when Ben makes a post that is said to be defensive... well maybe, but it isn't an unreasonable response.

Onan, I am one that appreciates reading your views on these subjects (although I don't always show it).  You are one of the very few that I've run across anywhere that can make the Liberal point intellectually without resorting to name calling and personal attacks.  In my experience, the Left in this country seem to feel entitled to casually claim the Right want to poison the air and water, kill off old people and kids, over the years we have been constantly called rascists, nazis, compared to Hitler.  Just for the sake of scoring political points.

It's been so common that it's easily overlooked, just part of the background.  Here's an example from the very post of Ben's we are discussing where he was, in his words:

... just responding relatively calmly I thought, without animus, without any "ugly words,"...

But was that what he was doing in that post?:

... my having the temerity to even post anything other than warmongering ...

... he comes on here like the best friend the designers of cyanide showers could have....

See how easy it was to overlook the accusations of warmongering and Nazism from the Left?  Unfortunately, this tactic has been so overused the past few years especially that people on the Right are no longer willing to shrink away and shut up, now sometimes they just give it right back.  Sometimes they don't even wait to be attacked before making certain comments.

[Zircon]

MV, responding to your reply (#40) on Obama ...

I personally am undecided on whether Obama's administration, he is after all just a clueless hood ornament selected to satisfy the diversity orgasm for the left, is fascist or communist. It appears he is all for allowing certain capitalistic based corporations (Goldman Sachs, GM and GE for example) to exist as power players that operate under government edicts. Of course, those edicts are established by these very same corporations. A lot like the federal reserve running our money supply and net worth (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Citi Group).

I think we've been fascist for some time. Perhaps communism will evolve out of this as the persons from the corporations will effectively become a politburo much like the Supreme Soviet.

As to "free enterprise" ... that doesn't exist anymore unless one looks at the extreme examples, in my opinion anyway, like Nike with its child and slave labor, Apple with its technicians in China routinely committing suicide and our fashion designers and manufacturers also with basically slave labor. The working conditions are atrocious for these peoples yet we don't mind as long as we don't see how things are done, the price is cheap and we can say, "we don't do that sort of thing here in the States".

You try to exploit your workers like those "can't fail" companies that are completely on board with Obama's vision for America. You'd get prosecuted.

I'm not advocating anything goes but it appears that is the case for some. I think an even playing field is a great thing. Don't know if there has ever actually been one. Might just be a utopian pipe dream concept only discussed in philosophy and ethics classes in our Ivory towers?

If taxes were lowered and the corporate taxes and these ridiculous restrictions placed on business and small business specifically (as they can't afford to fight the system so are forced to comply more often than given a pass) then revenue would increase with increased taxes. Obamacare and nixing the Bush-era tax cuts are going to ruin this country. Especially so if Obama wins a second term.

[MV/Liberace!]

As to "free enterprise" ... that doesn't exist anymore unless one looks at the extreme examples, in my opinion anyway, like Nike with its child and slave labor, Apple with its technicians in China routinely committing suicide and our fashion designers and manufacturers also with basically slave labor. The working conditions are atrocious for these peoples yet we don't mind as long as we don't see how things are done, the price is cheap and we can say, "we don't do that sort of thing here in the States".

everything above is fucking right on. 


i suppose someone could also call ME a communist if my views on the above noted business practices were examined.  however, i'm not giving obama a pass.  i think he's a communist.  that word might no longer be a part of "relevant" vernacular, but the statist principles behind that word are alive and well.

[HAL 9000]

EDIT: I didn't intend this post to be lengthy, but so it is. Give it a try though - don't give up on it early


Now, I know that the following film/video conjurs ideas of conspiracy lunacy, but I was willing to give it a try.

I cringed at parts of it; were I producing this "documentary," I would have used different techniques to get a point across - so I took notes on the interesting stuff, and dismissed that which I thought bogus.

Somewhat to my surprise, the events I bothered to research turned up being true - some things I looked up led me down paths which revealed unexpected facts. Obama's lineage notwithstanding, the film does offer some insight into his background, so long as one is willing to suffer through the BS, and parse out data which is worthwhile.

One quick example: Hillary Rodhom Clinton, while a senior majoring in political science at Wellesley College, chose to write her honors thesis paper on Saul Alinsky (community organizer and Rules for Radicals fame). This seemed to me an odd choice, unless one was enamored with him.

Well, it turns out that, this thesis paper, previously available to anyone, was hidden by Wellesley shortly after Bill Clinton's inauguration early in 1993. The White House called Rodham's professor, Alan H. Schechter, to have it sequestered, and Wellesley developed a policy hiding it from everyone. The ban was lifted in 2001 without much fanfare, however, you must visit the Wellesley archives, and a photocopy in a leather binder will be brought for you to read, however, you must leave coats, briefcases and pens in an outside locker. Only pencils are allowed for note-taking.

Needless to say, there is much speculation as to the thesis' contents. Because the Wellesley archives has made it so difficult to copy, the entire document was a highly desirable object. An enterprising cabal, was able to obtain a (rather poor) photocopy, and apparently was up for auction on eBay briefly, then withdrawn after threats for copyright infringement (anyone who publishes the text could be liable for statutory damages of up to $150,000). So much for transparency.

Someone has thankfully converted the manuscript into a PDF, and was available on a GOP website until only a few months ago - the document has almost been scrubbed from the internet, with almost all links dead, and the former GOP site actually now suddenly offline and its domain for sale. The PDF document is also not available on "The Wayback Machine," however you can read a few random pages there.

The good news is, through tenacity, and a bit o' luck, I HAVE OBTAINED THE COMPLETE COPY of Hillary Rodham's thesis. I also obtained an OCR version which is much more readable, but I am going to go through both documents, word-for-word, to verify accuracy, then publish my results. Apparently, someone did release a MS Word version, but I have been unable to obtain this version.

Hillary met with Alinsky three times for her thesis, and Alinsky actually offered her a job in Chicago with his community organizing organization. She turned down the job offer. She also interviewed a Washington Post "journalist" who worked for Alinsky for ten years and was a follower of his methodology.

NOTE: The above Hillary information was researched by me, in response to a lead from the film.

Anyways, despite the inflammatory title, I did come from viewing this film with new and worthwhile knowledge. Give it a try.

Dreams from
My Real Father

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379807/



http://www.rapidshare.com/files/3222036491/Dreams.From.My.Real.Father.AmBiEn.mp4


In Dreams from My Real Father, Barack Obama is portrayed by a voiceover actor who chronicles Barack Obama's life journey in socialism, from birth through his election to the Presidency. The film begins by presenting the case that Barack Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA propagandist who likely shaped Obama's world view during his formative years. Barack Obama sold himself to America as the multi-cultural ideal, a man who stood above politics. Was the goat herding Kenyan father only a fairy tale to obscure a Marxist agenda, irreconcilable with American values?

This fascinating narrative is based in part on 2 years of research, interviews, newly unearthed footage and photos, and the writings of Davis and Obama himself. Dreams from My Real Father weaves together the proven facts with reasoned logic in an attempt to fill-in the obvious gaps in Obama's history. Is this the story Barack Obama should have told, revealing his true agenda for "fundamentally transforming America?" Director Joel Gilbert concludes, "To understand Obama’s plans for America, the question is ’Who is the real father?’"

At age 18, Barack Obama admittedly arrived at Occidental College a committed revolutionary Marxist. What was the source of Obama's foundation in Marxism? Throughout his 2008 Presidential campaign and term in office, questions have been raised regarding Barack Obama's family background, economic philosophy, and fundamental political ideology. Dreams from My Real Father is the alternative Barack Obama "autobiography," offering a divergent theory of what may have shaped our 44th President's life and politics.

[HAL 9000]

edit for above post - I do now have Hillary's 92-page thesis on Saul Alinsky in MS Word format. My eventual goal would be to format it exactly as the original typewritten paper. It was easy to find - I musta been really tired when I looked 1.5 weeks ago... duh.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

The good news is, through tenacity, and a bit o' luck, I HAVE OBTAINED THE COMPLETE COPY of Hillary Rodham's thesis. I also obtained an OCR version which is much more readable, but I am going to go through both documents, word-for-word, to verify accuracy, then publish my results. Apparently, someone did release a MS Word version, but I have been unable to obtain this version.

You are comparing a document you obtained to the original held in the Wellesley Library?

Or you are comparing two documents you obtained by other means to see if those two documents are identical?

In Dreams from My Real Father, Barack Obama is portrayed by a voiceover actor who chronicles Barack Obama's life journey in socialism, from birth through his election to the Presidency. The film begins by presenting the case that Barack Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA propagandist who likely shaped Obama's world view during his formative years. Barack Obama sold himself to America as the multi-cultural ideal, a man who stood above politics. Was the goat herding Kenyan father only a fairy tale to obscure a Marxist agenda, irreconcilable with American values?

Between 8am and 5pm I can throw a rock and hit at least 5 people that were Marxist hippies when they were 18 and are now conservative brokers, lawyers, and petroleum engineers.


Also...Michael Savage.

[Oversoul]

You are comparing a document you obtained to the original held in the Wellesley Library?

Or you are comparing two documents you obtained by other means to see if those two documents are identical?

Between 8am and 5pm I can throw a rock and hit at least 5 people that were Marxist hippies when they were 18 and are now conservative brokers, lawyers, and petroleum engineers.


Also...Michael Savage.

Hey, you gotta give the "expert" the credit.  "Expert" knows it all.  :

[DangerousBlossom]

Also...Michael Savage.

Fox and the leftist networks don't seem all that different to me, personally.  Kind of like the Democrats and the Republicans.  I would like some real diversity of opinion.

[analog kid]

Fox and the leftist networks don't seem all that different to me, personally.  Kind of like the Democrats and the Republicans.  I would like some real diversity of opinion.

There's nothing in those "leftist" networks that compares to these types of shenanigans.

It's no wonder why the right is so busy chasing phantoms.

[Zircon]

Just heard this MV and HAL ...

On the Glen Beck program they played an audio tape from high ranking GM executive - you know, a politburo member - that SEVEN of every TEN automobiles are now made in CHINA. Government Motors (formerly General Motors) is committed to working IN, WITH AND "FOR" CHINA in the future. In fact they plan on OUTSOURCING increasing portions of their R&D to CHINA as well.

So Obama is creating jobs just like he said - IN CHINA. Now I can't fathom why the union members here in this country support GM as they're jobs are being sent away. Apparently they were your typical useful idiots, too fucking stupid to see the handwriting on the wall, that supported this supreme dictator in 2008. I suspect they will have portions of their dues, with or without their support, confiscated by union leadership to support Obama in 2012. Romney, for better or worse, is trying to get/keep/create jobs back here or so he says. The other guy, the Kenyan, is throwing them under the bus.

And that is just General/Government Motors. Imagine what General/Government Electric  is up to? They are even more powerful with members in Obama's cabinet while still running GE. Does this seem like a conflict of interest? Does our media report on this? They didn't waste any time reporting on Cheney with Halliburton.

I asked a question about suspending elections early on and you responded with a "no" it wouldn't happen. Our marines are being trained for crowd control. Tens of thousands of drones, the kind used in Afghanistan without weapons I hope, are to be deployed over the skies of America. Attacks on gun ownership, high tech nerdy CEOs eagerly working with this administration to spy on every keystroke you enter to be placed into a database. Somewhere on the internet there is a huge list of "words" that will trigger a look by those spying on us. You would not believe some of them. Completely irrelevant to politics but they can be used when discussing them. Labeling returning veterans as potential TERRORISTS yet having a strict taboo on calling an actual terrorist or terrorist supporting organization as TERRORIST. The TEA Party as a "hate" organization full of white supremacists and other assorted intolerant individuals.

HAL, I listened to Beck talk about this book and that the stated and accepted communist Kenyan he claims as his father is in fact not his father. Every person, other than his time at the madrases in Indonesia (?), he has been under the tutelage of communists. His entire family is communist. All his colleagues are anti-western, pro-socialist, pro-communist, anarchists, radicals. Plus 90% of his said history is either embellished or outright fabricated. This guy may have landed in a space ship for all we know but I think he is the true consummate MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE - now President and asking to be blessed by the sheeple once again. The media will just about fall on their sword for this fraud.

Davis, Alinsky, Cloward, Piven and many others within the 1960s radical movement are Obama's mentors. He was and remains a good grasshopper for his masters. Oh, and Hillary is just the female version of the same phenomenon. She'll run in 2016.

[Zircon]

Hey, you gotta give the "expert" the credit.  "Expert" knows it all.  :

Michael Savage needs medication. He is an example of a Berkeley radical who realized that he could increase his financial reward by switching his loud-mouthed ranting from being a leftist to the right. People like him give conservatives and those who lean right or center-right a bad name. Another one who seems to think he is the cat's meow is Mark Levin. He insists on making it "Le-Veene". Com'on Mark is "Levin" like the bread. He writes a book and then thinks he is Thomas Paine. Sean Hannity is another talk radio guy I have issues with. He cuts off people trying to make points, insults them and tells them what they must really be thinking. The mark of an intellectual coward. Typical New York - in your face- argumentative ass hole.

These two are the only two I can think of that are loud mouthed "right wingers". They have attempted to steal conservative talk radio and make it a fucking circus.

Blossom, Fox and the leftist stations (a.k.a. all other stations) are relentless in their delivery. We agree quite a bit on this.

[Zircon]

HAL ... you stated in your very informative and most appreciate post ...

"The good news is, through tenacity, and a bit o' luck, I HAVE OBTAINED THE COMPLETE COPY of Hillary Rodham's thesis. I also obtained an OCR version which is much more readable, but I am going to go through both documents, word-for-word, to verify accuracy, then publish my results. Apparently, someone did release a MS Word version, but I have been unable to obtain this version."

Does this mean you will publish a book to be purchased at a book store or that you will provide portions of your research here in this forum? I am so glad you managed to get a copy of this seemingly damaging work by one of our future socialist candidates (2016). I will also take a look at the book link you provided. Again, thanks very much for your efforts to provide us, the people of this forum (Americans primarily) with this critical information.

[HAL 9000]

You are comparing a document you obtained to the original held in the Wellesley Library?

Or you are comparing two documents you obtained by other means to see if those two documents are identical?

Yeah, the PDF I obtained is the known original photocopy. There seems to be no dispute from anyone, including major news outlets, that this PDF is of the original. The OCR version is also widely accepted as true to the original, but I'd feel better by comparing both. I'm sure many others have already done this. It was written about by major news organizations that they were going through the manuscript - but to my surprise, I hadn't read about this in the MSM. I guess it wasn't a priority news item for them - but it sounds interesting to me.

I have read portions, and Clinton in fact, agrees with Alinsky's "policies" for lack of a better word - but disagrees in his methods as not being efficient enough in their outcomes. Alinsky wanted change from the outside - Hillary thought change from the inside more effective.

To sum up, there appears to be universal agreement that the documents are real and true.

If anyone would like to see Hillary's thesis, you can get it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?4724yz4kd0fcc5x

contains full footnotes, bibliography, and application Saul Alinsky sent Hillary to join his organization.

[MV/Liberace!]

Between 8am and 5pm I can throw a rock and hit at least 5 people that were Marxist hippies when they were 18 and are now conservative brokers, lawyers, and petroleum engineers.


Also...Michael Savage.

would any of those 5, or savage himself, tell me in 2012 that i did not build my business and someone else did it for me?

[MV/Liberace!]

In fact they plan on OUTSOURCING increasing portions of their R&D to CHINA as well. So Obama is creating jobs just like he said - IN CHINA.

while obama has done nothing to help this situation (and likely doesn't know what to do), he hasn't exactly been the cause of it, either.

Romney, for better or worse, is trying to get/keep/create jobs back here or so he says. The other guy, the Kenyan, is throwing them under the bus.

this i can't agree with.  i think romney is just another money managing, establishment tied, "true believer" republican who believes in free trade at all costs.  if you're looking to assign blame for america's decline, i think people of his ilk are highly culpable. 


i've been witnessing this big-business sponsored push toward global "free trade" for as long as i've been alive.  i think the very term "free trade" (in the global context) is a euphemism for overseas/third world manufacturing.  nothing more.  business/establishment elites have attempted to convince the average american peasant that "free trade" policies are good for him.  yeah, i guess "free trade" ROCKS if you want to take care of your family by working at a gas station despite your education level.


meanwhile, the left is attempting to convince the american peasant (and succeeding) that his life will improve if a corporation is taxed at a higher rate.  fucking stupidity of epic proportions.


the democrats/leftists are also responsible for america's decline because their hatred of and contempt for business has motivated them to implement confiscatory tax policies and burdensome regulations that don't exist elsewhere (china).  a publicly traded company is almost committing a crime if they DON'T create value for the shareholder through overseas manufacturing.


but what scares big business away from american shores more?  is it the taxes and regulations imposed by liberals/progressives/leftists/democrats who harbor a psychopathic, suicidal hatred of business?  or is it the greedy, selfish american worker who won't work for $2 per day? 


these issues are too complicated to blame one man.  to think the blame can be pinned on obama gives him too much credit.

[Zircon]

MV, if any of them did then they'd be showing their ignorance. Out of those professions you listed, only the Petroleum Engineer can say he or she is part of or the creator of a business where something can actually be PRODUCED. Lawyers are little more than parasites that either work for you or against you. They complicate the shit out of everything to where a man of average or above average intelligence can't make a bit of sense out of the gibberish. It is a self promoting profession. Brokers are also parasites that take a cut of your risk. If you lose you fucking lose. If you win they make money. The broker may have worked with you in gaining in the market but it is your money that is being spread around.

You may disagree with me but if somebody produces a widget then they're actually doing something. Without the production of widgets, money isn' t made so lawyers and brokers wouldn't exist. They live off of others money.