Art Bell

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Sounds great to me.

The three nations already work close as military's. A common defense pact would allow the US Army to take care of the Mexican cartels. Why expend treasure and blood in the Middle East when we can really secure or border?

I am pretty sure what really bothers you is the inclusion of Mexico. Mexicans are not at all bad people. Grew up as a minority in a small agricultural town in Colo. Like any group of people sure some are assholes. But most are proud,hardworking,kind people. Maybe instead of blaming them for so much we could instead try to really help them.

Or build a fucking useless wall.

You obviously don't pay taxes, or simply do not understand the burden that illegals put on our socioeconomic infrastructure to include schools, healthcare and most importantly the national debt. It is not our job to be responsible for the folly's of governments so corrupt that they elect not to take care of their people.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Don't go yet, Art. Please. Please don't go.

He has his jeans on in the picture. Art will be just fine.

[ge30542]

You obviously don't pay taxes, or simply do not understand the burden that illegals put on our socioeconomic infrastructure to include schools, healthcare and most importantly the national debt. It is not our job to be responsible for the folly's of governments so corrupt that they elect not to take care of their people.

This

[ItsOver]

He has his jeans on in the picture. Art will be just fine.

Ha!  I'm keeping my jeans on, come hell or high water.  I can kick ass with my 501's and remain invincible.  Jeans, The Great Protector! 

[dan7800]

Are you like 13 years old?

Your getting my vote for most irrelevant and immature post of the day.

** You're **

[ge30542]

Ha!  I'm keeping my jeans on, come hell or high water.  I can kick ass with my 501's and remain invincible.  Jeans, The Great Protector! 

SHIZAAM!   Chuck Norris Action Jeans!
Haven't seen them in years. Where can I get mine?

[Roswells, Art]

My only regret is that I guessed wrong about your gender.  Really, if you're going to advise people to use snake oil, you might be able to get a gig on Coast to Coast's quack nights.

I've been using it for years when i feel like I'm getting sick, along with oregano oil. It works for me.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  Another thing Reagan did was to close public health mental institutions around the country, so now we have all these troubled homeless vagrants walking among us.  Every now and then they end up attacking an innocent person...

Actually you can chalk this up to the Left as well.  Of course they blame 'Reagan' and the 'far right' when their schemes don't work out, and their mouthpieces in the Media and academia follow suit.

There was an entire movement from the mid-fifties all through the '60s and into the '70s to get people out of institutions.  Lawsuits, pressure on state governments, they even made a propaganda movie ('One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest'') on the evils of institutionalization.

The ACLU brags about their role on their website, and provides a full set of excuses, you can look it up.  Here's an assessment from the NY Times. 


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all


That this disaster started showing up on our streets in the '80s hardly makes 'Reagan' responsible for it.

[ItsOver]

SHIZAAM!   Chuck Norris Action Jeans!
Haven't seen them in years. Where can I get mine?

You can't ask for them.  You must track them down and take them.



 

[PB the Deplorable]

My only regret is that I guessed wrong about your gender.  Really, if you're going to advise people to use snake oil, you might be able to get a gig on Coast to Coast's quack nights.

There are plenty of home remedies that work pretty well.  Many foods have medicinal benefits for specific maladies.  If one can find something that works, it's a lot healthier than a pill from Big Pharma (btw I'm not against pharmaceuticals at all, it's great they are there when they are needed).

[TigerLily]

Break out your tin foil hats and night vision goggles. It's World UFO Day

Hope you are feeling better, Art

[ItsOver]

Break out your tin foil hats and night vision goggles. It's World UFO Day

Hope you are feeling better, Art

Hot damn!  My favorite holiday.  Right up there with Happy Pancake Day.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  The medical industry must now be ecstatic because of all those expensive meds these people have to take for the rest of their lives...

Let's take a look at it.  The non-medical employees working there are happy to have good jobs.  If they didn't work there, they'd probably be doing something similar elsewhere.  The employees working on the medical science may or may not be motivated by money more than the average person, I think the reason most went into medicine is they have the intelligence and ability to do the work, and have a love for the science and research.  They are proud to be working in the healthcare field creating products people need.  Management for the most part worked their way up in the industry.  Entrepreneurs founded companies because they had an interest in a specific area, and had an idea for new pharmaceuticals.

Outside investors, from private funding at start up, to those buying publicly traded stocks, are no different from any other investors - if they didn't see opportunity in the particular companies they invested in, they'd have invested elsewhere.

Of course all concerned are happy the products work, and they can make enough profit to keep the company running, keep investors happy, and even create new drugs.  What's wrong with that?


The Left has done a real number on us here in the West - businesses and people with good jobs who work there are evil, handouts and government control are good, the poor are noble are the successful are bad, criminals are good and police are bad, Christians and religious people are bad but we need more third world Muslims, we should give up our democracies and hand power over to the elites in order to have security and good economies.

We truly need to remove these people from power, and stop listening to them. 

[Gyoza Girl]

I know.  The guy was very thin, too.  Some people become ill and feel resentful that the world made them that way.  Remember those stories, years back, of guys with AIDS who had unprotected sex with the idea if more people became ill the government would be forced into doing something to help them?  I don't know how they can follow such deranged logic.     

I remember those stories. An interesting twist is the Florida dentist back in the '80s who either accidentally or deliberately gave HIV to six of his patients, one of whom was Kimberly Bergalis. The dentist went to his grave insisting he did not intentionally infect his patients. However, one of his friends was convinced it was deliberate. The dentist had told him mainstream America was ignoring AIDS because the disease mainly affected gays and drug addicts. He apparently felt nothing would be done until it began affecting other groups of people.

[Robert]

You see? "Yay" was *not* yet in order.

OK, then boo!

[Robert]

Another thing Reagan did was to close public health mental institutions around the country, so now we have all these troubled homeless vagrants walking among us.  Every now and then they end up attacking an innocent person.

I wouldn't pin that on Reagan.  It was a trend that'd begun before he was prez, combination of factors.  Inpatient rx had declined enormously with a shift to more outpatient rx.  Incarceration of such individuals came to be recognized as a depriv'n of liberty w/o due process.  So beds were empty, and it made no sense to keep so many institutions open; states are still closing the disused ones to this day.  It's not as if the $ wasn't there, because the pts. still were on Medicaid, it's just that the demand wasn't.  However, one of the few programs that kept maintaining large inpatient facilities for them was, ironically, federal: the VA.

If you look at the time from before there was much in-patient rx for mental issues, it's not as if there was a disproportionate frequency of incidents such as you describe.

[Robert]

I think Art loves to be the subject of controversy, so he gives his adoring public just enough info to create all this speculation. 

Ask yourself, if this were your uncle Jimmy, if he would just let rip with a photo or if by now, knowing you are concerned, you would have LOTS of details.  Fans just play into his hands.  I'm not saying he's not ill, he obviously has problems, but that's all we know and maybe we should just end it there - where  he obviously wants it.

No, I think just the opposite.  The Bells probably don't think of him as that much of a celebrity, so they don't put a lot of effort into informing the public.  But what about the people here, isn't that evidence of a big following?  Not these days, when everybody's got "followers" in social media.  Whose audience do you think is bigger: Art Bell or Crazy Russian Hacker?

[Robert]

There was an entire movement from the mid-fifties all through the '60s and into the '70s to get people out of institutions.

What could be pointed to in this thread (not that it hasn't been elsewhere) and sort-of pinned on Republicans or conservatives was the abortion of the community mental health centers.  I did some volunteer work (computer programming in the Research Dept. -- I'd recently learned Fortran, and this is where I learned COBOL) for one in 1970 when it was a new & ostensibly up-&-coming thing.  It was the Sound View-Throgs Neck Community Mental Health Center, and housed in the Dept. of Health Bldg. off Westchester Sq. (connected to the public library).  The idea of the CMHCs was to keep in touch with the outpatients on phenothiazianes & similar rxs who would otherwise have been, & in many cases previously were, in loony bins.

The trouble is that people found CMHCs creepy on 2 levels.  1 level was the people who just didn't want crazy people on their streets, congregating at a facility in their neighborhood.  It's the same objection as to alcohol & drug addiction outpatient facilities (which of course the CMHCs were as well).  Of course they'd've been on the streets anyway, but spread uniformly so not very objectionable.

The other objection was partly paranoid, partly justified.  The CMHCs were viewed as part of the spread of the gov't-medical complex, which at least since the 1950s had been understood (Partly correctly, if you look at some of its exponents!) as an attempt at mind control of the populace.  This was a sentiment on both the far "left" & the far "right".

[Robert]

The employees working on the medical science may or may not be motivated by money more than the average person, I think the reason most went into medicine is they have the intelligence and ability to do the work, and have a love for the science and research.

It sure hasn't been lucrative for me.

Wolfie, what are you laughing at?

[CornyCrow]

My only regret is that I guessed wrong about your gender.  Really, if you're going to advise people to use snake oil, you might be able to get a gig on Coast to Coast's quack nights.

Sorry that I offended you.  You DO know that India is getting patents for it's herbal preparations because large pharmaceutical companies are finding the active ingredients and creating drugs out of them?  You also probably know that there are botanists sent by big pharma into jungles and rain forests to find the active ingredients in 'witch doctor' prescriptions? 

Sure, there is a lot of snake oil being sold, but there is also the good stuff, the stuff that works.  It's handy to know the difference.  I mean, gosh, aspirin was derived, by Native Americans, from willow tree bark. 

Not everything requires the AMA seal of approval on it to be effective. 

[CornyCrow]

One of the best things you can do, regardless of age, especially with cyber machines and the infamous boob tube turning us into static objects for too many hours of the day.  It works great for weight loss, blood pressure, blood sugar, digestion, etc.  I believe walking is better than running for most people.  A lot easier on the joints.  It's more natural.  I don't believe our ancestors were running unless they had to.

Sure.  It's not only helpful for our muscles and bones, but the internal organs seem to be functioning more efficiently as well.  It's such a simple thing, and so helpful. 

[WOTR]

If it's viral pneumonia, as most are, then its being caught early doesn't improve the prognosis. 

I'm going to avoid playing internet doctor for now being as I have yet to examine him.    I think it was a rumour that it was pneumonia to start with from Coast? (I don't watch facebook, so I could be wrong.)  Outside of that, I will leave it to Art and his doctors to know how best to get him back home, be somewhat positive in that most people who enter a hospital leave healthy, wish him good health and a speedy recovery from whatever ails him...

[CornyCrow]

Actually you can chalk this up to the Left as well.  Of course they blame 'Reagan' and the 'far right' when their schemes don't work out, and their mouthpieces in the Media and academia follow suit.

There was an entire movement from the mid-fifties all through the '60s and into the '70s to get people out of institutions.  Lawsuits, pressure on state governments, they even made a propaganda movie ('One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest'') on the evils of institutionalization.

The ACLU brags about their role on their website, and provides a full set of excuses, you can look it up.  Here's an assessment from the NY Times. 


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all


That this disaster started showing up on our streets in the '80s hardly makes 'Reagan' responsible for it.

I remember that.  We didn't want to fund better treatment for these people.  There was a lot of bad press about those institutions, but I don't think we are better off now, with these characters pooping and peeing in our streets and parks and threatening folks with knives.

Now we seem to allow them to wander about freely, in the HOPE that they are taking their meds so they do not become violent.  When they DO become violent, we house them in our prison systems and let them back out after a time.  That's not a solution.  It IS a reason why we have such a huge incarceration rate compared to other countries, though. 

[CornyCrow]

Let's take a look at it.  The non-medical employees working there are happy to have good jobs.  If they didn't work there, they'd probably be doing something similar elsewhere.  The employees working on the medical science may or may not be motivated by money more than the average person, I think the reason most went into medicine is they have the intelligence and ability to do the work, and have a love for the science and research.  They are proud to be working in the healthcare field creating products people need.  Management for the most part worked their way up in the industry.  Entrepreneurs founded companies because they had an interest in a specific area, and had an idea for new pharmaceuticals.

Outside investors, from private funding at start up, to those buying publicly traded stocks, are no different from any other investors - if they didn't see opportunity in the particular companies they invested in, they'd have invested elsewhere.

Of course all concerned are happy the products work, and they can make enough profit to keep the company running, keep investors happy, and even create new drugs.  What's wrong with that?


The Left has done a real number on us here in the West - businesses and people with good jobs who work there are evil, handouts and government control are good, the poor are noble are the successful are bad, criminals are good and police are bad, Christians and religious people are bad but we need more third world Muslims, we should give up our democracies and hand power over to the elites in order to have security and good economies.

We truly need to remove these people from power, and stop listening to them.

I don't disparage the profit motive, but think it sometimes trumps the need for the public good, and so there should be a balance between the two, someone advocating for the public and not just the profits of companies.  When the heads of the FDA's upon retirement, get jobs from the pharma industry I sometimes get suspicious.  When a sizable portion of funding for the FDA comes from the pharma industry, I question the impartiality.  WHen my boss told me he got called up and bribed by the HEAD of the FDA, it REALLY made me wonder. 

My comment is merely that I was heartened that there were forces other than big pharma that addressed our ailments and were working to institute permanent change that leaves the patient not requiring drugs for life.  This is a GOOD thing. 

[CornyCrow]

I remember those stories. An interesting twist is the Florida dentist back in the '80s who either accidentally or deliberately gave HIV to six of his patients, one of whom was Kimberly Bergalis. The dentist went to his grave insisting he did not intentionally infect his patients. However, one of his friends was convinced it was deliberate. The dentist had told him mainstream America was ignoring AIDS because the disease mainly affected gays and drug addicts. He apparently felt nothing would be done until it began affecting other groups of people.

I agree that the disease was not given proper attention.  There were all sorts of rumors, too, about the green monkey in Africa having AIDS and how certain vaccines that were free in gay communities were cultured in green monkey serum. 

So many good people were lost to AIDES. 

I worked for a large, 'houshold name', company.  I had a newly hired manager.  After he was over the trial period hump he really gave the bureaucrats in the company a tough time. He was right, though.  Later, we found out that he had AIDS and at that time new hires were not tested for it, so he was covered under the medical plan.  Because he knew his days were numbered he was not controlled by the normal constraints on corporate monkeys.  He was a great guy.  Tough and smart.   We all loved him.

[CornyCrow]

I wouldn't pin that on Reagan.  It was a trend that'd begun before he was prez, combination of factors.  Inpatient rx had declined enormously with a shift to more outpatient rx.  Incarceration of such individuals came to be recognized as a depriv'n of liberty w/o due process.  So beds were empty, and it made no sense to keep so many institutions open; states are still closing the disused ones to this day.  It's not as if the $ wasn't there, because the pts. still were on Medicaid, it's just that the demand wasn't.  However, one of the few programs that kept maintaining large inpatient facilities for them was, ironically, federal: the VA.

If you look at the time from before there was much in-patient rx for mental issues, it's not as if there was a disproportionate frequency of incidents such as you describe.

Robert, I'm inclined to think they went overboard. 
There are now cases of parents fearful of their unstable young kids who cannot get help because they cannot afford it and the police tell them they must wait until the kid does something really violent before becoming incarcerated at which time he'll get the help he needs. 
There are vagrants in our cities that don't take meds and stab folks - yet some dippy doctor thinks they'll do better on the outside rather than institutionalized. 

What I remember is the controversy, years back, of the way these people were treated in institutions and how much more it would cost to improve the treatment.  In NYC Mayor Koch decided to close the institutions and allow them to wander and this is what we're stuck with now.  For the nation, Reagan did the same.  The costs were a great factor in that decisions, as I remember it. 

[coaster]

What did she ultimately pass away from?

Well they did emergency surgery to remove part of her colon but I there was just just too much cancer. I guess the main cause was colon cancer, but she had cancer everywhere. She was just too worn out I figure.

[chefist]

Well they did emergency surgery to remove part of her colon but I there was just just too much cancer. I guess the main cause was colon cancer, but she had cancer everywhere. She was just too worn out I figure.

Sorry, man...that exact same thing happened with my mom. Diagnosed on a Tuesday, operation on Thursday, passed away on Sunday. It can happen so very fast.

[bobo17]

folks
this is extreemly frustrating.
people do not seam to realize how important i am
and how i can bring art back to the radio 5 days a week, 3 hours a day.
i am well respected since childhood from all involved.
I no sue and bob crane and will use them to help me.
Please....please.....all, i need you to show support so that i have bargining power
with art and everyone involved.
please don't just reed and think that you...a  small person  can not make a difference.
Many knowegable people are reeding this board and will make the apropriate decision if and
when the board shows me the respect that i deserve.
i have made sucessful busness deels all over the world...please give me the please of
making the ultiimate deel... making RADIO GREAT AGAIN

i look forward to the responsises as they will guide my future plans wrt MEETING

bobo

[michio]

When a sizable portion of funding for the FDA comes from the pharma industry, I question the impartiality.

Don't read too much into the "funding" issue or you'll take a wrong turn and wander into conspiracy land. Of course, it's always fair to ask honest questions, but only if you're looking for honest answers. Right?

Many years ago the U.S. was approving new drugs far slower than other countries, and this was creating a growing backlog at the same time. Congress, seeing a problem and looking for a solution, enacted the 'Prescription Drug User Fee Act' (PDUFA) of 1992.  Government agencies typically aren't given a blank check and have to work with limited resources. The extra money garnered from this act allowed the FDA to hire extra people, whereby it significantly sped up drug approval rates to where it was comparable with the rest of the world.  The short and sweet of the act is when a pharmaceutical company wants to submit a new drug to the FDA, it pays a user fee or NDA (New Drug Application).  In 1995 this fee was $208,000. In 2014 it was $2,169,100. There must be dozens of NDA's filed every year. That's a big chunk of change coming from Big Pharma's coffers. Would you rather the FDA paid this money entirely out of taxpayer money and not pass these costs on to the pharmaceutical industry as it does now?

The FDA employing additional people to speed up new drug approvals that needy people can benefit from sooner, and reducing a new drug approval backlog, is _not the same_ as getting in bed with the pharmaceutical companies and being their obedient lap dog.  Granted, the FDA probably should be entirely funded by the federal government, as it would (might) quash speculation about the FDA and Big Pharma being married, as it did above.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2013/08/07/is-the-fda-being-compromised-by-pharma-payments/#64b691dc7908
http://www.fda.gov/ForIndustry/UserFees/PrescriptionDrugUserFee/default.htm