Art Bell

[Value Of Pi]

You're undoubtedly correct, but I'm a big supporter of underdogs and almost lost causes, after all, my own existance is proof that one can have the world against one yet still prevail, I've lived through enough hell and I arose through it all.  There's no harm in attempting to make a difference, it only takes a little extra thought and some keystrokes, and it's at least not a bunch of mean spirited sniping, something I am guilty of at times my own self.

Heather is young still, and impressionable.

I think Art and Heather DO listen here and DO take what people say to heart, and like many, will fight and argue they remain firm on their positions yet all the while, deep inside their minds, they are rethinking things.  Hey, I used to be a very far to the right political activist who knew some major players in the Republican Party.  Everyone can be reached, it's like planting good seeds, it takes friable soil, regular water (not flooding, not drying), and some plant food, and some time.

I even think there is hope for Art, I don't think that, deep inside, he is really a bad man, I think he just clings to beliefs because they give him a sense of security and exoneration.  Everybody has a few "come to Jesus" moments at times in their lives, who is to say that we shouldn't try?  She's not stupid, she's just impressionable and desperate for a chance, just like we all are, integrity is not something we are born with, it is learned, remember, babies cry to manipulate, and children lie until they learn it is wrong to do.  Heather - and Art - can learn.

I don't blame you for trying, but Heather is a different proposition than Art. Art could wake up one day overcome with the revelation that he belongs on the radio as often as possible. This would solve everyone's problems.

Heather, OTOH, could suddenly admit to herself all her shortcomings as a radio host and still not wind up a much better radio host. Not everything is achievable based on positive attitude and effort. In this case, being a good radio host requires talent that Heather shows no sign of having. It also requires a background and education which supports that talent, which Heather also appears to lack.

As worthy lost causes go, she is a lost cause.

[NXOEED]

The problem isn't that he was an imposter but that he was a poorly prepared, horrible one who, instead of spinning deep time-travel fantasy worthy of the legend, treated us to some kind of greatest-hits-of-the-paranormal list he probably got off some website.  Perfect candidate for Art's technique of giving him enough rope to hang himself.  But I doubt Heather even knows what that means or has the wits to pull it off.

That's cool. I didn't hear the show because I've stopped giving a shit about paranormal talk radio (for now, anyway). I didn't hear Art's fill-in show last week either. I doubt the Titor interview was anywhere near as bad as people have made it out to be, but that could be my personal bias talking.

The "legend" has always kind of sucked, though. I'd rather have heard whatever happened last night than any of those old dumb old shows on Titor that C2C used to do.

[laserjock]

I don't blame you for trying, but Heather is a different proposition than Art. Art could wake up one day overcome with the revelation that he belongs on the radio as often as possible. This would solve everyone's problems.

Heather, OTOH, could suddenly admit to herself all her shortcomings as a radio host and still not wind up a much better radio host. Not everything is achievable based on positive attitude and effort. In this case, being a good radio host requires talent that Heather shows no sign of having. It also requires a background and education which supports that talent, which Heather also appears to lack.

As worthy lost causes go, she is a lost cause.

Maybe, only time can tell us.  People do and can learn to do things beyond what inert talents they have or lack.  I have very poor memory, can't memorize anything to save my life, but I worked in a branch of the physical sciences and excelled before sickness killed it for me.  Talent is not only fleeting, but it is ephemeral and just as is the case with almost all things ephemeral, they can appear where not expected and then disappear just as readily.  Some achieve true greatness late in life, some burn out as children, and some have resurgences and discoveries with various plateaus at different moments of greatness throughout life.

Heather has a nice voice when she doesn't put an affect and just simply forgets that she's on the air, and sometimes she does probe into something well.  I don't know if I'd frame her as "getting better every day" but as maybe being a good candidate to learn.  Go to any shaolin temple and you will find youths that are born with it and those that learn it, whatever "it" is for THEM.  Knowledge and discovery are beautifully ephemeral and magical, Heather will achieve something, I don't know what, it might not be radio, it might be, but she must try to be true to herself first and not let puppet strings control her, that is a mistake I made when younger many times because I doubted my own worthiness (a struggle I battle to this day).

Bu-ut, do all of us have the time, patience, and desire to witness any possible transformation, that is the question?

Art needs to stop pulling strings and either shit or get off the pot and let her become whatever she might become while at the same time becoming whatever he can, and so far, smart businessman he hasn't seemed to be, though even that can be learned with enough time, if he HAS that time and willingness.

It's all ephemeral, just as our words here, the meanings of the words ebb and flow.

[trostol]

Maybe, only time can tell us.  People do and can learn to do things beyond what inert talents they have or lack.  I have very poor memory, can't memorize anything to save my life, but I worked in a branch of the physical sciences and excelled before sickness killed it for me.  Talent is not only fleeting, but it is ephemeral and just as is the case with almost all things ephemeral, they can appear where not expected and then disappear just as readily.  Some achieve true greatness late in life, some burn out as children, and some have resurgences and discoveries with various plateaus at different moments of greatness throughout life.

Heather has a nice voice when she doesn't put an affect and just simply forgets that she's on the air, and sometimes she does probe into something well.  I don't know if I'd frame her as "getting better every day" but as maybe being a good candidate to learn.  Go to any shaolin temple and you will find youths that are born with it and those that learn it, whatever "it" is for THEM.  Knowledge and discovery are beautifully ephemeral and magical, Heather will achieve something, I don't know what, it might not be radio, it might be, but she must try to be true to herself first and not let puppet strings control her, that is a mistake I made when younger many times because I doubted my own worthiness (a struggle I battle to this day).

Bu-ut, do all of us have the time, patience, and desire to witness any possible transformation, that is the question?

Art needs to stop pulling strings and either shit or get off the pot and let her become whatever she might become while at the same time becoming whatever he can, and so far, smart businessman he hasn't seemed to be, though even that can be learned with enough time, if he HAS that time and willingness.

It's all ephemeral, just as our words here, the meanings of the words ebb and flow.

well if you take his word..he has said numerous times it is her show and she can do what ever she wants to make it her own..she chooses not to

[Auslandia]

Thanks WOTR.....at least some people realize how important i am.

Bahahahahaha

[laserjock]

Yes, if we take him on his "word", a meaning that changes depending upon who is speaking the phrase.  My words are often my bond, I am obsessed with sincerity and earnestness, but I HAVE told lies many times in my life, sometimes when in a corner.  Sometimes I can face myself for those lies and feel justified to varied extents, but then sometimes, well, shame, shame no mirror avoids.

If Art, deep inside, truly can and wants to let someone carry the torch after him and not be hindered by him, he might take the posture of the Shaolin Priests I refer to, and "mentor" but not "rule", this concept is one that is, itself, of an ephemeral quality, only one themselves can know it's truth for them.

If Art is willing to mentor, things may go better, if not, well, we will witness whatever comes to pass.

First thing, though:  To thine own self be true.  Seek and you will find (but be ready for whatever you DO find).

Heather, you know what to do right now, listen to the voice within.

[malliard]

If Art is willing to mentor....

Why didn't he start two years ago?

Heather or who ever could have had growing pains and have years under the belt before Art came back...

They move into a weekend -fill in position...

seems so simple to me...

[Auslandia]

If Art is willing to mentor....

Why didn't he start two years ago?

Heather or who ever could have had growing pains and have years under the belt before Art came back...

They move into a weekend -fill in position...

seems so simple to me...

I don't think planning is part of the routine. Besides, Art has been in radio for so long he may have forgotten how challenging it can be to host a show.

[laserjock]

We all have shortcomings and banes to our existences. Art seems prone towards self destruction periodically, and as time has progressed, it might seem more frequent.

I also have shortcomings and after I've been working at any given task for a certain period of time, I also self destruct, this thread made me remember this about myself.  It's something I am working on, I think it stems from feelings inside of disgust with myself and denial and it makes me avoid trying any further, always right when I'm close to breaking through.  But in recent years I've come a long way because not only do I recognize this malady, but I admit to it to others and I'm seeking ways to fight it.  I'm like the addict that always sabotages herself inexplicably all while showing such great promise. 

Art (and our dear Heather) have their own personal battles deep inside and I sense some of it is being played out before us.  On the one hand it seems pitiful, but on the other, it shows how wonderfully human and real they are, and how much alike the rest of us they are.  The famous are not royalty, they aren't untouchable, and they aren't perfect.

Just dust yourself off and get back up.

Art needs to simply regain sincerity and integrity he had when young and be a real example for Heather, she's like a baby child watching and learning, and the parent will have lasting effect. 

(No, I'm not calling her a baby child, but that she's in that learning stage.)

I know I'd probably be really good at radio if I tried, but something inside me tells me to stay far away from that vocation for some reason.  Years ago I spent time at a college and discovered that I had promise in the field.  Thing is, I love music and science more in all honesty.  I love creative and constructive projects more than playing the convincing game.

One can have innate skill, but without the drive and conviction that will propel them through the worst storms, how can they prevail?  When I studied in college, after years being told I was retarded and would never amount to anything, I was so driven that I was one of only 7% to graduate and go on to do exciting things beyond what I ever really believed I could do, but I was really driven, I hungered desperately for it, and spent almost all my time at school doing all nighter studies.  I want that drive back, so does Art, I can tell.  No pill will do it, but life circumstances CAN awaken us inside.

Awaken!

[Ciardelo]

If Art is willing to mentor....

Why didn't he start two years ago?

Heather or who ever could have had growing pains and have years under the belt before Art came back...

They move into a weekend -fill in position...

seems so simple to me...

Are you grooming a replacement?

[laserjock]

I don't think planning is part of the routine. Besides, Art has been in radio for so long he may have forgotten how challenging it can be to host a show.

Part of it is known as "being on autopilot", when we get overwhelmed, we recede to what we know we can expect from ourselves and sink down to that, partly because of our self loathing.  Resorting to autopilot lets us survive all while not challenging what deep inside we feel about ourselves (regardless if it is true or not).

I know from whence I speak.  I am facing such myself right now.  At least I see a professional about these demons and I'm on the verge of another epiphany I thiink, I hope the same for Mr. Bell, partly for his loved one's sake (his from previous lives along with the current).  This reminds me, I need to talk again to my step daughters from my first marriage, I miss them terribly, and I yearn to do stuff for them that I haven't yet.

While God has us still "alive" on this planet, we are called upon, when we are no longer called upon, we go to the next place.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Lost on a deserted Island and thinks she's going to find a Krispey Kream.

[Donald Noory]

Are you grooming a replacement?

Are you grooming your nose hair?

[trostol]

R James Garner What does Art Bell have to say about it?
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Art Bell I say I wear a red suit, so my enemies can't see when I bleed
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[Ciardelo]

Are you grooming your nose hair?

See Noory, that might be funny, but my nose hair is always impeccably trimmed.  So hardy har har. Hows your mustache? Has Tommy been keeping it clipped?

[Ciardelo]

R James Garner What does Art Bell have to say about it?
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Art Bell I say I wear a red suit, so my enemies can't see when I bleed
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Right, that Art has shown what a tough guy he is.

[nooryisawesome]

She even admitted that he was not Titor. Stated he couldn't answer any question, was a boring guest, etc. This Titor is a huge fraud. I thought people were more or less fair. They gave reasoning for their thought, no one raised their voice or used in appropriate language.

[BattyBrooke]

Ok, saw the Heather post also and now, first thing I thought, after hearing the last 2 hours of the show and thinking "how long are you going to let such an obvious sham, someone who is that lousy at BSing steal a show" (yes, we all know most of Art, Noory, and Heather's guests are frauds, but they are at least usually a little more deft at deflecting challenges and as such, are entertaining).

Heather, you do a 180 and then another 180 and after Art (seemingly) scolds you after the show, you suddenly reverse your attitude again.  This is so obvious.  Art made millions giving air time to frauds, but he got good frauds, you got a crappy one, either you work for the audience or you work for Bell, don't deny it, Bells scolded you for dropping the guest and is telling you to regain control of the show or quit.  Shame on you, either you are a shill/liar, or you will maintain a small measure of integrity and tell Bell to lay off.

The show went just where it should have, and it made me want to actually listen, it was good to hear people challenge the charlatane, and it doesn't matter what your boss says, it was right to kill the guest off.  There might be hope for you yet unless you let Bell Bully you.  Ordering your audience to do your will is NOT going to go well.  Saying you won't tolerate us puts you on scary grounds my dearheart.  By now you must really see clearly what a fraud your boss is and are thinking twice about things.  Don't worry, you can start your own show even.

You are fooling anyone Heather, least of all, yourself.  Be real!

Wholly shit, I've missed a hell of a lot, both here AND on Dark Matter. I hate that I'll never know what guest was dropped, why, and what Art had to do with/say about it. Between not knowing that *and* not knowing what ever happened to Mel of Mel's Hole and Dallas Thompson of the Hollow Earth, I may not be able to carry on.

[WOTR]

Thanks WOTR.....at least some people realize how important i am...
Believe me, with my personal relationship and the amount of feedback this is doable.
thanks all
bobo

Maybe that is a part of the problem here, Bobo.  I would suggest to you that you may have better results if you tell people a little more.  I know that I always find people treat me differently once I let them know who I think I am and let them know of my importance.

And don't ever let anybody throw the fact that you did not recognize who MV was in your face.  I know that when we were planning "George Noory sucks.com" all those years ago, chewing the fat, and brainstorming ideas he was... well... different.  The person who people on this site know as Micheal Vandeeven is the same person that we knew as Michelle Venus back when.  I finally found that old snap shot of the two of you together.  Man, those were the days.

[malliard]

Well I am not 68 don't sell memberships or have fm stations

But yes I have had talks with someone about being a long term replacement if the need araises.

[Uncle Duke]

Well I am not 68 don't sell memberships or have fm stations

But yes I have had talks with someone about being a long term replacement if the need araises.

What does the job pay?

[inuk2600]

What does the job pay?

5¢

[Yorkshire pud]

Maybe Heather needs a bit to smoke right now .... as she is sitting folks in the corner!

Maybe that's the problem: over indulgence before going on air (or just over indulgence) has fucked her head.

[chefist]

This is someone trying to troll being cute doing a satire on what they've seen in this thread the last few months.

Oh gotcha...thanks...I haven't been reading much around here lately...

[Autistic Star Children]

not sure how scolding your already meager audience is going to help your cause.

There was an opportunity to cut bait and break it to your listeners honestly. "Well folks, we got taken for a ride. it happens, sorry for that, let's move on." and minimize any backlash. Possibly turning it into an endearing moment with your fan base.

Instead there's turning on the guest, then turning on the callers, then taking to facebook to support the guest and scold the listeners again.

We've all worked with someone who is so high on themselves that when they fail at something, the finger is pointed everywhere else. Not easy to support people like that.

[SciFiAuthor]

She even admitted that he was not Titor. Stated he couldn't answer any question, was a boring guest, etc. This Titor is a huge fraud. I thought people were more or less fair. They gave reasoning for their thought, no one raised their voice or used in appropriate language.

She flip-flopped and insulted her audience at the same time. Sub cancelled, I'm not going to pay to get scolded.

[Inglorious Bitch]

She flip-flopped and insulted her audience at the same time. Sub cancelled, I'm not going to pay to get scolded.

Yeah, you get that at home for free.


(Just joking)

[SciFiAuthor]

Yeah, you get that at home for free.


(Just joking)

[Dr. MD MD]

Maybe that's the problem: over indulgence before going on air (or just over indulgence) has fucked her head.

So, what your essentially saying is drugs are bad, mmmk? Stunning scape goat...er...I mean, analysis. Some people are just born a little slower than others. I don't think we need to insinuate that Heather's on drugs when her just being an idiot would suffice. Okham's razor, you know. When I was in high school I knew a guy who toked all the time. He'd burn a big fatty right before math class everyday. At first I thought he's not taking this so seriously but then had to reconsider when I found out he had one of the highest averages in the class. Maybe don't always be looking for the simplest thing to pin something on, Nancy Reagan  : 

[Yorkshire pud]

So, what your essentially saying is drugs are bad, mmmk? Stunning scape goat...er...I mean, analysis.

Yeah, and I knew an old lady who smoked 60 a day for 70 years.. never did her any harm.

By your logic if we all bonged everyday, we'd be getting Nobel prizes. Sure, Heather might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if she's monged half the time it isn't going to help with her finer thought processors. Shit; maybe she needs more? Yeah, that'll be it.