Art Bell

[Jackstar]

It's all fake outrage. Art's kids could die in a fucking terrorist attack and you couldn't care less. Eat shit and die.

[Value Of Pi]

Rickles is the one comedian I would have loved to have seen live, especially in a place like Vegas.  He was amazing as a guest host on the Tonight Show, an absolute scream.

Oh, forgot to mention that they are running uncut Carson Tonight Shows on Antenna now, if you didn't know. Rickle's appearances were hilarious and I don't think there was anyone who cracked Johnny up more than Don Rickles. I think he might have even said that.

[Hollow Man]

LOL!!! Thank you, sir, I knew it would. 

[Hollow Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4m5HLVwsco


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbr2H-TgfH8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0STfboVs6EI

[CornyCrow]

LOL! No fucking shit. That's what it's all about: Art "quit", people got pissed off, and now they wanna strike back at Daddy. What better way than his family? People act like they give a shit about his kids but the only thing they really care about is that he quit. Kids are just a means to an end. If Art didn't step down like he did this discussion wouldn't even exist. It's all based on purely selfish motives and everybody knows it. Not that that's some grand revelation or anything but there you go.

I'm not sure that the reaction is only because he quit, but because the show and the stalker seem to exist merely to promote Heather.  People feel duped in supporting the show in the first place.  Taking your fans as fools is not a nice thing. 

[Hollow Man]

I'm not sure that the reaction is only because he quit, but because the show and the stalker seem to exist merely to promote Heather.  People feel duped in supporting the show in the first place.  Taking your fans as fools is not a nice thing.

Well, yeah, that's an assumption alot of people are making. If that's something you believe in then of course you're gonna be pissed off by it. But that's only if you buy that. I don't.

In any case, though, whether you believe Art or not, my point stands: people are digging up shit because they're pissed- shit's that got nothing to do with Art or Heather as broadcasters [especially Heather]. This whole topic about his family would NOT be an issue if circumstances were different. Before all this everyone was fine with Art and didn't give a damn about any of this stuff. If they did they would've been talking about it when he was still on the air, which they weren't. When he was on they big fans just like the rest of us and couldn't care less. That's all I'm saying. 

[CornyCrow]

Well, yeah, that's an assumption alot of people are making. If that's something you believe in then of course you're gonna be pissed off by it. But that's only if you buy that. I don't.

In any case, though, whether you believe Art or not, my point stands: people are digging up shit because they're pissed- shit's that got nothing to do with Art or Heather as broadcasters [especially Heather]. This whole topic about his family would NOT be an issue if circumstances were different. Before all this everyone was fine with Art and didn't give a damn about any of this stuff. If they did they would've been talking about it when he was still on the air, which they weren't. When he was on they big fans just like the rest of us and couldn't care less. That's all I'm saying. 

WAR!  What is it good for? 

I think, as has been said previously, people want to stir controversy to keep this thread going.  They're just playing around with ideas - brainstorming, I think. 

I think if a guy left me with two kids I'd really be bitter.  But there are sometimes extenuating circumstances.  Women have nagged men about their biological clocks and have 'forgotten' to take their birth control pills.  It's not productive to get involved in a thing that happened so long ago, especially when we are not sure of the full situation. 

[Hollow Man]

WAR!  What is it good for? 

LOL. Uh.. absolutely nothing? 

I think, as has been said previously, people want to stir controversy to keep this thread going.  They're just playing around with ideas - brainstorming, I think. 

Heh. Yeah, I think you got a point. It was kind of actually starting to lose steam and even die. Hell, maybe Rickles can save it. 

I think if a guy left me with two kids I'd really be bitter.  But there are sometimes extenuating circumstances.  Women have nagged men about their biological clocks and have 'forgotten' to take their birth control pills.  It's not productive to get involved in a thing that happened so long ago, especially when we are not sure of the full situation.

That's true. We don't know everything that went down between Art and his ex and we probably never will. It was one of countless many bitter divorces and there's always more than one side. Who's right, who's wrong? What were the laws they were subject to? Did he just leave or was he forced out? Something inbetween? The right or wrong of it isn't something you can always determine from the outside. And sometimes the truth lies in shades of grey. *shrugs*

[onan]

Eh, it's not gonna happen. Just talk. He says he doesn't want to do a hit job on Art and that's fine, fair enough,, but the Gabcast ain't gonna get the job done. I don't see them having the desire to do it. If it happened I'd listen to it, but I don't see it.

There is no good reason to dredge up long ago events for the satisfaction for a few members of the forum. It is rather macabre that anyone would want to do that.

[Hollow Man]

I agree with you, man. Completely. I have absolutely NO desire to drag Art over the coals with this  fucking bullshit. I'm as big of an Art fan as you'll find. Hell, take a look at some of my posts and you'll see for yourself, LOL. When I say I'd listen I just mean I would if it actually happened, [you know, like a train wreck you can't take your eyes off of].. which it won't. And it shouldn't.

I believe Art. I think he's telling the truth about everything. I got no reason to doubt him at all. You and I are on the same page, my friend.  Like I said, people are pissed because they think he abandoned them. He chose his family over THEM and they hate him for it. It's fucking pathetic. You'll never find me in their ranks, I can assure you of that.

[SredniVashtar]

I got no reason to doubt him at all.

OK, then riddle me this. On the GC he told us about the .22/firecracker, but didn't mention that he previously said he heard a voice in the darkness telling him 'you were...'. That's not an unimportant detail he omitted there, and it shows that he doesn't have his story straight. You can believe him all you want, but it's just 'belief' unsupported by any evidence.

I don't care to hear from his kids, even if they wanted to be interviewed - which they almost certainly wouldn't, since he has been a non-person in their lives for so long. I don't know why people even brought it up, actually, because it makes no difference to anything.

[Hollow Man]

OK, then riddle me this. On the GC he told us about the .22/firecracker, but didn't mention that he previously said he heard a voice in the darkness telling him 'you were...'. That's not an unimportant detail he omitted there, and it shows that he doesn't have his story straight. You can believe him all you want, but it's just 'belief' unsupported by any evidence.

Tell you what, I'll listen again and get back to you on that. If I hear it I'll tag the time he said it so you can check it for yourself. Fair enough?

[SredniVashtar]

Tell you what, I'll listen again and get back to you on that. If I hear it I'll tag the time he said it so you can check it for yourself. Fair enough?

Sure, listen back and let me know. I'm pretty sure I'm correct, and that's a big detail to omit when you are telling a story. It was a bit ironic that he said later on that he believed Bob Lazar because his story never changed.

[SciFiAuthor]

Sure, listen back and let me know. I'm pretty sure I'm correct, and that's a big detail to omit when you are telling a story. It was a bit ironic that he said later on that he believed Bob Lazar because his story never changed.

Omitting a detail in a live interview does not equate to changing a story.

[SciFiAuthor]

They haven't, though Art has had plenty of opportunity to change that. What's the harm in giving Vincent and Lisa a platform to speak, should they accept? Art certainly has one and continues to use it whenever the PW article comes up around here. I've put in an interview request and we'll see where it leads, if anywhere. If a call in show like the Gabcast is too much for them to take on or MV declines hosting duties, I'll handle it myself.

Don't you want to know what crossed Lisa's mind when she received a signed copy of The Art of Talk from her biological father after first contacting him, what's gone on in Vincent's life after the 2007 article and if it gave him closure, or their thoughts on the stalker fiasco? I'd love to go in depth about their upbringing and try to understand why Art is so unapologetic about leaving their mother behind with two small children. I don't plan on it being a hit piece and the interview could open the door to rekindling a relationship, who knows? They both seem like well adjusted, happy people with families of their own so they may decline to speak about Art at all.

Could you possibly be more trashy?

[SredniVashtar]

Omitting a detail in a live interview does not equate to changing a story.

Do you have a 'Limey Prick' alert set up every time I post anything?

Look, that little omission is not a 'detail'. It's a large part of the story, wouldn't you say? A 'detail' would be forgetting to talk about his grazed knees, NOT that someone in the dark made a clear threat. We were meant to assume that 'warned' was the missing word, obviously. I bet he didn't tell the police that 'detail' either. He probably reconsidered because it sounded a bit much and the police would have taken it more seriously. People juggle with their stories all the time, and we just heard an instance of someone who got it muddled. If someone made a clear threat to me, I certainly wouldn't want it 'documented but not investigated'. I'd do all I could to make sure they were caught before they got me the next time. None of it makes sense, unless you accept that he is not being honest.

[DarKPenguiN]

Correct, omitting a detail does not constitute a change in story but to omit that particular fact (the voice) would certainly raise eyebrows. Honestly , I dont remember hearing Art ever saying he heard a voice before the 'gunshot' but evidently he did.

Okay-To more pressing matters. Arts kids. I would listen if you guys manage to pull this interview off because it is interesting - But, I'm against the idea personally. I could give a shit what Arts feelings are on the matter and discussing it is totally fine- Its a part of Arts pattern imho- But taking this outside the virtual world and actually contacting innocent people isnt fair to them.

I'm not going to lie- it would make an interesting interview. I doubt they would actually agree and heres why. The second its brought up they may consider it but will then come to bellgab to check out the 'vibe' (if they already havnt) and within about 7.358 seconds will have ascertained this is a 'hit piece' used to stir up controversy at their expense... I'm not saying thats what this would actually be- But if I were in their shows thats how I would see it and i would proceed with caution.

[DarKPenguiN]

Do you have a 'Limey Prick' alert set up every time I post anything?

Look, that little omission is not a 'detail'. It's a large part of the story, wouldn't you say? A 'detail' would be forgetting to talk about his grazed knees, NOT that someone in the dark made a clear threat. We were meant to assume that 'warned' was the missing word, obviously. I bet he didn't tell the police that 'detail' either. He probably reconsidered because it sounded a bit much and the police would have taken it more seriously. People juggle with their stories all the time, and we just heard an instance of someone who got it muddled. If someone made a clear threat to me, I certainly wouldn't want it 'documented but not investigated'. I'd do all I could to make sure they were caught before they got me the next time. None of it makes sense, unless you accept that he is not being honest.

I would agree- the second he told the police he was 'warned' and there were threats to 'stay off the radio' this shit becomes a federal (FBI) matter. Intimidation isnt something thats usually played around with when it comes with gunfire.

[SciFiAuthor]

Do you have a 'Limey Prick' alert set up every time I post anything?

Yes, on the advice of the divorce attorney after that farcical gay marriage you tricked me into last week. I'm just glad we both realized that we're not gay before anything worse happened than what did, which was bad enough. I've gone through 14 bottles of mouthwash and I'm still not right. Anyhow, I mailed the alimony check to Falkie yesterday, as per your demands.

Look, that little omission is not a 'detail'. It's a large part of the story, wouldn't you say? A 'detail' would be forgetting to talk about his grazed knees, NOT that someone in the dark made a clear threat. We were meant to assume that 'warned' was the missing word, obviously. I bet he didn't tell the police that 'detail' either. He probably reconsidered because it sounded a bit much and the police would have taken it more seriously. People juggle with their stories all the time, and we just heard an instance of someone who got it muddled. If someone made a clear threat to me, I certainly wouldn't want it 'documented but not investigated'. I'd do all I could to make sure they were caught before they got me the next time. None of it makes sense, unless you accept that he is not being honest.

You're over analyzing it. The omission does not make the story inconsistent, that's key to the point you're trying to make. If it did, then you'd have something, but it doesn't. It seems to me he just forgot to mention it and MV forgot to ask about it.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Could you possibly be more trashy?

I'll give it a shot just for you, sugar tits.

[SredniVashtar]

You're over analyzing it. The omission does not make the story inconsistent, that's key to the point you're trying to make. If it did, then you'd have something, but it doesn't. It seems to me he just forgot to mention it and MV forgot to ask about it.

If we went on about all of the things MV 'forgot to mention' we'd be here all day. I think Art probably realised that the 'you were' bit was too much and decided to drop it. It raises too many questions, when all he wants is something vague and open-ended he can use to stay off the air. I can't think of a more important part of the story - that there was someone firing at him, backed up by a threat - and it's not something you just forget. I'm sure you have an equivalent over there to what we'd call 'wasting police time', and my guess is that he withdrew that bit because it would threaten to get more serious if he developed the story too much.

[DarKPenguiN]

Not sure if this was brought up or not but assuming the stalker story is true (which I do not) I think we need Ed dames to remote view this shit and give us an answer since he's not a scammer or anything. Hell, he claims to have a massive success rate, works with the police and finds missing kids.

This should be easy-

With Ed dames on the case we will have all the information we need.

Someone needs to contact Ed dames for an interview and let that motherfucker start cashing the checks that his mouth keeps writing. noory sure as fuck wont 'call him out' and Art never called him out for his bullshit either that im aware.

Ed dames needs to get on this case asap. And this really does bode badly on a good portion of Arts former guests since Art evidently didnt reach out to them for help and yet peddled their bullshit to his audience., many of whom did reach out to these people for help and have lighter wallets as a result.

[Uncle Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4m5HLVwsco


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbr2H-TgfH8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0STfboVs6EI

Thanks for the links.

I saw the Tonight Show episode where Carson broke into Rickles' TV show taping live the night it happened.  Some years later I read an article that listed the top ten funniest moments in the history (to that point) of live television.  Carson's invasion of Rickles' set was rated #2, I wish the hell I could remember #1.

[PB the Deplorable]

... With Ed dames on the case we will have all the information we need...

Indeed.  If that bull shizzle was good enough for his audience every other month or so, it ought to be good enough for Art Bell's personal case. 

[DarKPenguiN]

Indeed.  If that bull shizzle was good enough for his audience every other month or so, it ought to be good enough for Art Bell's personal case.

Yup...I'm serious too.

Art sure had confidence in the charlatans when he wasnt relying on their claims and was peddling it to his trusting audience who in many cases had/have real issues. He should feel confident now using his friends services and expertise.

I know I would never promote someone or recommend them (or a product) that I think is a bullshit scam.

EDIT- That would be a better interview than with Arts kids and bringing Dames into this mess is fine since he's far from an 'innocent' party and pretends to have credibility.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Okay-To more pressing matters. Arts kids. I would listen if you guys manage to pull this interview off because it is interesting - But, I'm against the idea personally. I could give a shit what Arts feelings are on the matter and discussing it is totally fine- Its a part of Arts pattern imho- But taking this outside the virtual world and actually contacting innocent people isnt fair to them.

I'm not going to lie- it would make an interesting interview. I doubt they would actually agree and heres why. The second its brought up they may consider it but will then come to bellgab to check out the 'vibe' (if they already havnt) and within about 7.358 seconds will have ascertained this is a 'hit piece' used to stir up controversy at their expense... I'm not saying thats what this would actually be- But if I were in their shows thats how I would see it and i would proceed with caution.

It's why I've considered doing a potential interview independent of the forum. I don't care about Art's feelings on the matter either; he's commented on the PW article several times over the years without a word from the other side and I'm going to give them an opportunity if they accept.

[DarKPenguiN]

It's why I've considered doing a potential interview independent of the forum. I don't care about Art's feelings on the matter either; he's commented on the PW article several times over the years without a word from the other side and I'm going to give them an opportunity if they accept.

Hey, I'll listen man. If you get it it'll be interesting. I think trying to get an interview doesnt cross any lines ethically-

I'm still against the idea but I'll tune in.

[Uncle Duke]

Yup...I'm serious too.

Art sure had confidence in the charlatans when he wasnt relying on their claims and was peddling it to his trusting audience who in many cases had/have real issues. He should feel confident now using his friends services and expertise.

I know I would never promote someone or recommend them (or a product) that I think is a bullshit scam.

EDIT- That would be a better interview than with Arts kids and bringing Dames into this mess is fine since he's far from an 'innocent' party and pretends to have credibility.

Even more enlightening would be to get David Jacobs or another of the hypnotic regressors to take Art (as well as his wife and his neighbor) "back" to re-live the key elements of the saga.  Given the level of detail these skilled investigators are able to draw from their subjects, we'd have this case cracked in no time.

[onan]

Even more enlightening would be to get David Jacobs or another of the hypnotic regressors to take Art (as well as his wife and his neighbor) "back" to re-live the key elements of the saga.  Given the level of detail these skilled investigators are able to draw from their subjects, we'd have this case cracked in no time.

I'm going with Titor.

[Uncle Duke]

I'm going with Titor.

Another stellar suggestion, assuming we could find him.