Art Bell

[JesusJuice]

I'll one up you

https://web.archive.org/web/20160105194756/http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/lost_in_space-38428459.html

Unfortunately the owner of Web Archive will delete anything if asked. But thanks for the link. I was able to make full page screen shots that can be shared. The pastebin is text searchable and can be copied and pasted onto forums. Combined we have the complete articled saved and ready to be shared if and when the Web Archive is deleted.


The Lost in Space article will never be removed from the internet thanks to us.

[Corona Kitty]

not to worry...

Raw talent

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Raw talent

the Japanese text on the tv says "...and so, a legend was born."

[Sean92008]

So...  Heather wrote something about hoping Dave would die on the air, right???

After reading that archived newspaper article AND THE COMMENTS (namely Kevin Bell) I have figured it out.

Art Bell is a fucking asshole.  Go fucking die Art.

Airyn and Asia, you're next to be abandoned.

[Donald Noory]

not to worry...

sci-fi author's old job

[trostol]

thats a pretty...crappy story

[Corona Kitty]

the Japanese text on the tv says "...and so, a legend was born."

Amen to that

[Mr. Fidget]

People should celebrate!

   I mean it's not every day you first learn that Art Bell is not only a Broadcast Radio Hall of Fame inductee... but also a...

Former world record champion of teeter totter!

btw: Art how long did you teeter? Come on...

I found it!
57 hours.

[GravitySucks]

I found it!
57 hours.

Great work Shaz!

[WOTR]

California
I brought an aussie on to the gabcast once though.  Her name was Shaunna and she was an opera singer.

That's right.  I knew that I associated you with Australia for some reason.  She was great...

[Jesus Undercarriage]

Look man, I'm going to be honest with you here.  I know trolling is (usually) a waste of time.So is pretty much typing on a forum even if you're being 100% valid in your opinions and motives. Watching TV is a waste of time. playing games is a waste of time. Long walks of the beach- Waste if time.

Everything that is fun and pleasurable is essentially a waste of time.

I choose how i will waste my time. I'm not on government assistance, you dont pay my bills and I do well enough to be above the median income bracket for both my State and the Nation.

Everything can always be done more efficiently and theres always something 'more important' we all could be doing to better ourselves.

I have learned to make the most efficient use of my wasting time on forums by listening to college lectures in the background http://online.hillsdale.edu/course/con101/schedule (Hillsdale college offers some fantastic free non accredited classes)  or listening to an audiobook , podcast, you tube video , etc... also talking on Skype and petting my dog... And eating chips.

Multitasking. its where its at and it makes the wasted time not amount to a total waste.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T_xczFl5A

[Job]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8y0WLm78U

Monica Lewinsky's TED talk.
Consider the unintended consequences to both public and non public persons. End of sermon--I mean, I'm just sayin'

[FightTheFuture]

I found it!
57 hours.

Hell, I could have told you that. ANY true AB aficionado is quite familiar with this factoid.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

I'll one up you

https://web.archive.org/web/20160105194756/http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/lost_in_space-38428459.html

Also as a matter of actual FACT I did not abandon anybody, that Marriage was when I was 19 Years old and when we Divorced she Married right away and the children were infants which were Adopted right away by their new Step Father. I was requested by my Ex not to contact them.

This article creeps up every now and then here, but it's interesting to compare a post by Art a month ago to what his ex-wife and kids had to say. Art made it seem like she re-married shortly after he left (like in the ballpark of four months, for example) but two years is quite a long time to support yourself and two toddlers:

According to Pontius' mother Sachiko Toguchi, when they married she was 22 and Bell was 20. They met in Japan, where Bell served in the Air Force, and moved back to the States after marrying. Vincent Michael Bell was born in 1965, in Newark, N.J., but the trio moved back to Okinawa when Toguchi grew homesick.

The marriage lasted only a few years. Toguchi says that after she gave birth to Vincent's sister Lisa, Bell told her he was leaving.

"He told me he thought he could [be a husband and father], but he couldn't do it," says Sachiko Toguchi during a phone interview from Camp Hill, Pa. "Having two kids, a wife, he was not up to it. It was too much for him. I think he was [caught between] being a boy and a man."

Bell, for his part, acknowledges fathering both Vincent, whom he calls "Michael," and Lisa during a phone interview with PW. He declines to talk about why the relationship ended. "That was 40 years ago," he says. "I'm not sure what purpose it serves."

Toguchi was left to take care of two small children on her own. When she remarried about two years later, her new husband adopted the kids, freeing Bell from any legal obligations. Bell started living the life that made him famous.

/snip

Later, when Minei turned 28, she says she sent a letter to Bell, who had by then achieved fame. He responded with a one-page letter. It reads: "Many years ago I spoke with your mom. She told me that you and [Vincent] had been adopted by the man who had married her. It seemed better to let your family remain undisturbed. She told me he was a wonderful man who was father to you and Michael ... "

He also sent a signed copy of his autobiography The Art of Talk. The inscription reads: "To Lisa, Here's the 'rest of the story.'"

She says they emailed each other for a short time after that, but he didn't seem particularly enthused about starting a relationship. She soon stopped emailing him.

"He never wrote and said, 'Hey, why'd you stop emailing me?'" she says. "So I figured he didn't really want to be in touch."

/snip

"I started the conversation by saying, 'This is Sachiko's son,'" recalls Pontius of his single conversation with Bell. "I felt so disconnected by not having known Art senior, and I guess I feel liberated because not having heard from him haunted me for, like, 35 years. I saw flashes of emotion from him here and there. Maybe the first 20 minutes I sensed a little guilt, but he never apologized for leaving me, my mother and my sister."

[Uncle Duke]

This article creeps up every now and then here, but it's interesting to compare a post by Art a couple of weeks ago to what his ex-wife and kids had to say. Art made it seem like she re-married shortly after he left (like in the ballpark of four months, for example) but two years is quite a long time to support yourself and two toddlers:

According to Pontius' mother Sachiko Toguchi, when they married she was 22 and Bell was 20. They met in Japan, where Bell served in the Air Force, and moved back to the States after marrying. Vincent Michael Bell was born in 1965, in Newark, N.J., but the trio moved back to Okinawa when Toguchi grew homesick.

The marriage lasted only a few years. Toguchi says that after she gave birth to Vincent's sister Lisa, Bell told her he was leaving.

"He told me he thought he could [be a husband and father], but he couldn't do it," says Sachiko Toguchi during a phone interview from Camp Hill, Pa. "Having two kids, a wife, he was not up to it. It was too much for him. I think he was [caught between] being a boy and a man."

Bell, for his part, acknowledges fathering both Vincent, whom he calls "Michael," and Lisa during a phone interview with PW. He declines to talk about why the relationship ended. "That was 40 years ago," he says. "I'm not sure what purpose it serves."

Toguchi was left to take care of two small children on her own. When she remarried about two years later, her new husband adopted the kids, freeing Bell from any legal obligations. Bell started living the life that made him famous.

/snip

Later, when Minei turned 28, she says she sent a letter to Bell, who had by then achieved fame. He responded with a one-page letter. It reads: "Many years ago I spoke with your mom. She told me that you and [Vincent] had been adopted by the man who had married her. It seemed better to let your family remain undisturbed. She told me he was a wonderful man who was father to you and Michael ... "

He also sent a signed copy of his autobiography The Art of Talk. The inscription reads: "To Lisa, Here's the 'rest of the story.'"

She says they emailed each other for a short time after that, but he didn't seem particularly enthused about starting a relationship. She soon stopped emailing him.

"He never wrote and said, 'Hey, why'd you stop emailing me?'" she says. "So I figured he didn't really want to be in touch."

/snip

"I started the conversation by saying, 'This is Sachiko's son,'" recalls Pontius of his single conversation with Bell. "I felt so disconnected by not having known Art senior, and I guess I feel liberated because not having heard from him haunted me for, like, 35 years. I saw flashes of emotion from him here and there. Maybe the first 20 minutes I sensed a little guilt, but he never apologized for leaving me, my mother and my sister."

On the plus side, Michael and Lisa never had to cower in their bedrooms, fearful of being shot.

Too soon?

[SredniVashtar]

On the plus side, Michael and Lisa never had to cower in their bedrooms, fearful of being shot.

Too soon?

Or forced to pose for pictures in the snow, knowing that it was like a skeet-shooting range out there.

[onan]

Art did get off light on his kids from a previous marriage. We are all different, our relationships are even more different. For me, my kids whether adopted by another or not would always be part of my life. There is no way in hell I would agree not to see them. But I can certainly understand the request from the adoptive father.

Having said that, kicking up dirt from more than 20 years ago, will do little else but make everything dirty.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

On the plus side, Michael and Lisa never had to cower in their bedrooms, fearful of being shot.

Didn't they grow up in Philadelphia? If so, you can remove that plus side.

[Inglorious Bitch]

For me, my kids whether adopted by another or not would always be part of my life. There is no way in hell I would agree not to see them.

My understanding is that in order for a child to be adopted, the other parent has to give up their legal rights. So if a mother wants to put her child up for adoption, both she and father have to sign a termination of parental rights document. If someone is divorced, the new spouse just can't adopt the kids. The bio father has rights, unless he signs them away. I could be wrong however and different stated have different laws.

[FightTheFuture]

I just never cared the slightest about Art`personal life. I think all this scrutiny is bizarre.

I loved what happened when Art Bell spoke into a microphone. Period. Nothing else.

[FightTheFuture]

My understanding is that in order for a child to be adopted, the other parent has to give up their legal rights. So if a mother wants to put her child up for adoption, both she and father have to sign a termination of parental rights document. If someone is divorced, the new spouse just can't adopt the kids. The bio father has rights, unless he signs them away. I could be wrong however and different stated have different laws.

Not necessarily true. The biological father has very little say in adoption proceedings.

[GravitySucks]

Not necessarily true. The biological father has very little say in adoption proceedings.

It all depends on the state, and laws on the books today have no bearing whatsoever. You would have to know what the laws were in that state 45 years ago.

[Uncle Duke]

I just never cared the slightest about Art`personal life. I think all this scrutiny is bizarre.

I loved what happened when Art Bell spoke into a microphone. Period. Nothing else.

I agree with you.  On the other hand, if a public figure opens his/her private life for personal gain or to further a career, then they shouldn't complain when that same private life is commented on by the media and/or public at large.  It's like politicians who trot their kids out during a campaign, then complain when the media comments on the kids.

[FightTheFuture]

It all depends on the state, and laws on the books today have no bearing whatsoever. You would have to know what the laws were in that state 45 years ago.

If mom meets someone, and she wants that person to adopt the kids, I`m just sayin`, you better have the most blood -thirsty Jew lawyer in town to defend your rights, or Jr. is going to have a new daddy. Seen it many times.

[FightTheFuture]

I agree with you.  On the other hand, if a public figure opens his/her private life for personal gain or to further a career, then they shouldn't complain when that same private life is commented on by the media and/or public at large.  It's like politicians who trot their kids out during a campaign, then complain when the media comments on the kids.

Yeah, I`m not disagreeing with you, Duke. Fair game, indeed. My point is, I just don`t care.

My philosophy is Shut Up And Sing. Don`t care about personal life, politics, etc., just shut-up and entertain me.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

My philosophy is Shut Up And Sing. Don`t care about personal life, politics, etc., just shut-up and entertain me.

There has to be some point where that is no longer true: think about people like Jane Fonda.

[DarKPenguiN]

I just never cared the slightest about Art`personal life. I think all this scrutiny is bizarre.

I loved what happened when Art Bell spoke into a microphone. Period. Nothing else.

Thats probably why Heather is reluctant to share much personal information.

Things are different today thanks to the influx (overload) of information available. Back in the day celebs, politicians and personalities had it made since the press was essentially monopolized by folks in the industry who understood the whole 'wash my back and ill wash yours philosophy"- 'Stars" regularly shared the personal information they wanted shared and the rest was kept very quiet. Even "Hollywood" had so many open secrets that were kept from the public by a press who feared blacklisting.

Shit started changing once we hit the 24 hour news cycle on cable TV. Compare the Clinton scandel with monica lewinski (someone posted a ted talk she gave, above) to how the press protected John F Kennedy with his myriad of affairs (and drug use) while in office.

Stars of old were pretty much assured they could pretend to be 'open' by sharing the personal information they, themselves wanted shared- Everything else would never be dredged up- so long as they played the game and didnt piss the wrong people off.

Now we have the internet and things have changed immensely. The old rules no longer apply- the 'press' has lost credibility and power based on their handling of issues which have spawned mistrust.

It is what it is. the benefits of being famous now come with consequences that the old guard still does not fully understand. Sharing one side of a story now comes with a myriad of people talking about and speculating over the 'other side' along with a plethora of information that can be found about nearly anything if one is resourceful  enough.

Forget 'right and wrong" as those are relative in this case. It is what it is. Adapt to the way things are (not 'should be') or deal with the inability to adapt.

[GravitySucks]

There has to be some point where that is no longer true: think about people like Jane Fonda.

I don't remember Jane Fonda being a very good singer.

[FightTheFuture]

There has to be some point where that is no longer true: think about people like Jane Fonda.

Well, Jane Fonda inserted herself into a very precarious political dynamic. It can be argued that Fonda caused  American lives. That`s a whole different situation.

[FightTheFuture]

Thats probably why Heather is reluctant to share much personal information.

Things are different today thanks to the influx (overload) of information available. Back in the day celebs, politicians and personalities had it made since the press was essentially monopolized by folks in the industry who understood the whole 'wash my back and ill wash yours philosophy"- 'Stars" regularly shared the personal information they wanted shared and the rest was kept very quiet. Even "Hollywood" had so many open secrets that were kept from the public by a press who feared blacklisting.

Shit started changing once we hit the 24 hour news cycle on cable TV. Compare the Clinton scandel with monica lewinski (someone posted a ted talk she gave, above) to how the press protected John F Kennedy with his myriad of affairs (and drug use) while in office.

Stars of old were pretty much assured they could pretend to be 'open' by sharing the personal information they, themselves wanted shared- Everything else would never be dredged up- so long as they played the game and didnt piss the wrong people off.

Now we have the internet and things have changed immensely. The old rules no longer apply- the 'press' has lost credibility and power based on their handling of issues which have spawned mistrust.

It is what it is. the benefits of being famous now come with consequences that the old guard still does not fully understand. Sharing one side of a story now comes with a myriad of people talking about and speculating over the 'other side' along with a plethora of information that can be found about nearly anything if one is resourceful  enough.

Forget 'right and wrong" as those are relative in this case. It is what it is. Adapt to the way things are (not 'should be') or deal with the inability to adapt.

Absolutely. JFK is a prime example. The press knew full well of his womanizing. They covered it up so they could get access to him and, well, largely, because they genuinely liked him. That probably wouldn`t happen today.