Art Bell

[venix]

I assume the advice to make it her own show means to change the opening theme and the bumper music? I would agree with this. I have no intention of listening as I didn't find her to be compelling as a host or voice on the subject matter and I'm definitely not paying for it. I do wish her well and think she will only make it if she creates her own product.

People hate Noory for producing a substandard version of Art using his theme and bumpers and history is repeating here. I imagine that this will continue until she makes her own mark. Good luck to her. It definitely takes balls to do what she's doing. I don't envy her nor would I want to be in her shoes and nor could I. Neither could the majority of her detractors.

I wonder if Art realizes the position he's put her into and if he still thinks this was the best way to assist her career after leaving her holding the baby.

Ideally she would have been in a better position if the succession plan had been for her to host some weekends and the occasional mid week day off slot. Obviously shit went down differently and she is where she is. Nobody would be welcomed under those circumstances.

I agree with the poster who suggested she shouldn't engage the detractors. It does not help her nor make her look good. It seems that this was Art's biggest mistake. She should not repeat it.

[Chronaut]

The asking was rhetorical.

This thread is like a blown-out demilitarized zone right now.  When Art hung up the mic, every mentally deficient yokel who had the same retarded paranoid notion that he wasn't telling the truth, flooded this thread to impress everyone with their "genius."  Kinda like a pack of Creationists storming an evolutionary biology conference to "enlighten all of the misguided fools who place their faith in science, fact and reason."

Only a handful of them have not yet tired of repeating their insipid "alternative theory," but they still manage to post about three times as often as any rational human being, so their view is grossly over-represented in page real estate.

The rest of us are just waiting for their mouths to get dry so we can get back to having a good time when they leave to go get a drink of water and get lost along the way.

I reckon that it'll return to being an Art Bell fan thread within a few weeks tops.  Meanwhile I'm enjoying the magnificent Ultimate Art Bell Collection to re-connect with the great shows that brought us here in the first place.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

I wonder if Art realizes the position he's put her into and if he still thinks this was the best way to assist her career after leaving her holding the baby.

Of course Art realizes what he's done by bowing out the way he did. He's talked Keith off the ledge to keep the network limping along for as long as possible (with cuts across the board - letting Amy go, dumping the AAC stream, all other live programs now taped) and dangled the carrot to fans that he'll return so they'll re-up their subscriptions. He did so much damage that nothing can save it at this point. If you believe Richard, who actually talks about the compelling downward spiral of DMDN, he has more subs than Heather at this point - that's how badly the show has crashed. I don't think I'm a hater for saying so.

[Yorkshire pud]

This thread is like a blown-out demilitarized zone right now.

In a way I feel sorry for you. I do because when the house of cards that is 'All hail Art Bell' comes crashing down, you'll be sitting there, staring at the screen in disbelief, barely comprehending that the object of your adoration is desperately flawed, and a mendacious manipulative, narcissist.

Heather bless her, through no fault of her own isn't AB. It wouldn't surprise me if AB has soothingly told her 'it will be okay Heather, trust me, you'll be loved, like me'. Knowing full well a) she'd believe him and b) he knew he was blowing it out of his arse. Is Heather blameless? No, she isn't; she accepted the gig and is old enough to make such choices. Are people right to not like her? Of course they are if they don't, but equally they're right to like her if they do.

It isn't her fault she isn't AB. But equally no-one buys an expensive ticket to watch the Stones in Madison Square Garden, to find a poor tribute act on stage. They'd have a right to be annoyed.

[Freyja]

I can only speak for myself WOTR and I assure you that I am not angry or upset with Art or anyone else. This is my first time for an Art return/quit and it was an interesting experience. Since Art has chosen to do so in a dramatic way, it's not at all surprising to see division within the ranks. Most of the people posting were pulling together before, during, and after the 'big blitz'. It didn't take long for Art, the object of all this good will, to abruptly pull the rug out from everyone. It seems to me that proper closure was in order. Instead we got theatrics. Why be perturbed by the variety of reactions? To each his own. Yes, we've had some 'come lately' posters who have their own agendas- that's not unique to any forum. Art's posts, pictures, and Facebook activity were enough to assure me that they are not in any immediate danger and that we have not heard the actual story behind it all. I choose to spoof the story events as my response to the matter. When enough energy is spent, this thread will eventually go dormant.

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[SciFiAuthor]

If you believe Richard

LOL

[SciFiAuthor]

In a way I feel sorry for you. I do because when the house of cards that is 'All hail Art Bell' comes crashing down, you'll be sitting there, staring at the screen in disbelief, barely comprehending that the object of your adoration is desperately flawed, and a mendacious manipulative, narcissist.

Heather bless her, through no fault of her own isn't AB. It wouldn't surprise me if AB has soothingly told her 'it will be okay Heather, trust me, you'll be loved, like me'. Knowing full well a) she'd believe him and b) he knew he was blowing it out of his arse. Is Heather blameless? No, she isn't; she accepted the gig and is old enough to make such choices. Are people right to not like her? Of course they are if they don't, but equally they're right to like her if they do.

It isn't her fault she isn't AB. But equally no-one buys an expensive ticket to watch the Stones in Madison Square Garden, to find a poor tribute act on stage. They'd have a right to be annoyed.

Like you even fucking know or care beyond the desire to be as big of a public asshole as you possibly can be. You are here to amuse yourself instead of contribute.

[GravitySucks]

Like you even fucking know or care beyond the desire to be as big of a public asshole as you possibly can be. You are here to amuse yourself instead of contribute.

YP is still butthurt because he didn't actually read the tickets he bought... It left a scar. Deep scar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqU7sUpfDU

[bellNwhistle]

This thread is like a blown-out demilitarized zone right now.  When Art hung up the mic, every mentally deficient yokel who had the same retarded paranoid notion that he wasn't telling the truth, flooded this thread to impress everyone with their "genius."  Kinda like a pack of Creationists storming an evolutionary biology conference to "enlighten all of the misguided fools who place their faith in science, fact and reason."

Only a handful of them have not yet tired of repeating their insipid "alternative theory," but they still manage to post about three times as often as any rational human being, so their view is grossly over-represented in page real estate.

The rest of us are just waiting for their mouths to get dry so we can get back to having a good time when they leave to go get a drink of water and get lost along the way.

I reckon that it'll return to being an Art Bell fan thread within a few weeks tops.  Meanwhile I'm enjoying the magnificent Ultimate Art Bell Collection to re-connect with the great shows that brought us here in the first place.

(After reading the last several pages, I have to say- It's amusing how people talk shit to Art, drag up decades old issues with his son, suggest things he may have done to his former wife Ramona, and then suggest other tawdry things relating to Heather..  and practically everyone is cool with that. But do it to Heather,  it's in poor taste and low grade).


There's a pack mentality here, and honestly, most days, I can't figure out which way it swings.  Why would either of them want to be in here?

People jump on Gary Gnoory (who I refuse to listen to) for getting in his digs, and yet there are a great many in here who are also spoon feeding the bullshit to him directly, on a daily basis.   He's the big baby who comes in here for his daily feeding and attention, and boy does he get it.  Hell, Gnoory has more reason to be in here than either Heather or Art. He's certainly treated with more respect than Art. Why, because he didn't quit his radio show?? A show he wouldn't have if it weren't for Art Bell, by the damn way.

I have said this before, and I'll say it again... regardless of who gives it a second's pause.  Art and Heather should avoid this place like the plague if they're going to be on air.  Heather is still young and new-ish to the show, and sorry- spending time here as "one of the gang" over the years, joining with the others to bash C2C or whatever, is not the same as being in here as the host of a radio show, dealing with people who don't care for her performance.   There is no reason why they can't (why she can't) use social media to report on the show itself, but don't I think either of these two people can (yet) find a good way to interact with the naysayers on a forum that keeps their reputation (give me a better word) in tact.  (Posting that you're ready to "lay down" some trolls isn't really the best idea, is it??  Maybe it's just better not to say anything).  (That said, the host of any "professional" radio show wouldn't be trolling a forum, spewing filth, would he?)


Yesterday it made me wonder, why I'm not so pissed off that Art left.. like DP, who was so angry because he lost out, dropping $$ on a fricken radio.  (Get over it, buddy).   As many of you have so nicely pointed out for the rest of us, Art has quit. Repeatedly. So this time was no different.  But many got sucked into the idea of a new show, a new beginning.. the excitement of it all. I was excited too. Though I wasn't in here a lot before the show started, and didn't get wrapped up into the group "feels" about the big return, I was still promoting his show.  That said, I think I  knew it wouldn't work out. I was wanting it to, but felt it likely wouldn't pan out, or wouldn't last long. So I already lowered my expectations.  I was already waiting for the balloon to pop.  Doesn't mean I dislike Art any less, or anything of the sort. I'm certainly not angry. I'm not so worked up that I'm on a forum typing up a bunch of irrelevant bullshit from 20 yrs ago.  Maybe some people here should be asking themselves what the hell they care so much about all of this for??  So you can move the fuck on, and then the rest of us can. Cuz I'm sick and tired of coming on here to see the same old shit, day in and day out.  I know. I have a choice not to come here.  Lately I've been choosing not to.  But it would be nice to go somewhere where I can still talk to people about a radio show I actually enjoy listening to, even if it's the ones in the archives.

[Freyja]

Hoaxie's show was constantly better than Art's a few short months ago. Hoaxie's biggest problem is his do nothing producer.

Agreed. I enjoyed it more than MITD as well DS.

Whatever people may think of RCH, his show is fun, new, along with all the foibles and he brings a new open mindedness and enthusiasm to his show...along with his HUGE ego of course 

He has got to keep that awful producer off the show <yawn> ...better yet ditch him asap.

...and yes, I KNOW this is the Art Bell thread!! 

[Yorkshire pud]

Like you even fucking know or care beyond the desire to be as big of a public asshole as you possibly can be. You are here to amuse yourself instead of contribute.

It's okay, you're still loved. 

[Tinfoil_Helm]

I only learned of Noory through this forum, actually.  I'm new to AB and paranormal radio, so I don't have all the history/scorn/drama that seemingly comes with the territory, but is he really that bad?  If he's a poor-man's Art, isn't that way better than what Art left us with?  Nothing personal with Heather, but someone else put it better: she's like a kindergarten teacher.  Rather than listen to her "See Dick run" style of radio, I checked out Noory and it's palatable. 

What I don't understand is how many fucking commercials the listener has to sit through with Noory.  It feels like 20 minutes at a time. 

Anyhow, I know it's heresy to not hate Noory, but I don't totally hate the show.  At least he HAS a show, ya know?  I'll take what I can get, thanks to Art.

[Freyja]

Mike Vara seems to have a lot to say:

http://lnmradionetwork.com/dark-matters-dark-mission/

<snip>

First I would like to say I am grateful Keith and Art found my show so interesting they thought it would fit right in with He and Richards........

I was told in my phone conversation with Art Bell that he had (in Sept) 11,500 subscribers and then proceeded to inform me that Richard Hoagland has (as of Sept) 7000 subscribers, do the math ! these guys are getting rich and while I have no problem with people  getting paid for their time,I do have a problem with people claiming they need money when in fact they do not,I also have a problem with people taking the money and running like Art did. Art planned this all along,his putting Heather in his place. He made his money fools !

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Discuss.

[Tarbaby]

Like you even fucking know or care beyond the desire to be as big of a public asshole as you possibly can be. You are here to amuse yourself instead of contribute.

it's a fair point but I think it very much depends on how one defines the word "contribute". Yes, whyP is often tongue in cheek and satirical but I find him highly amusing,  entertaining and tremendously insightful. and, I would add, Ginuwine and honest in his opinions. of course that doesn't mean that you and I will agree with him on every issue but he's comfortable with that.
  I hate to see you two bicker.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Mike Vara seems to have a lot to say:

http://lnmradionetwork.com/dark-matters-dark-mission/

<snip>

First I would like to say I am grateful Keith and Art found my show so interesting they thought it would fit right in with He and Richards........

I was told in my phone conversation with Art Bell that he had (in Sept) 11,500 subscribers and then proceeded to inform me that Richard Hoagland has (as of Sept) 7000 subscribers, do the math ! these guys are getting rich and while I have no problem with people  getting paid for their time,I do have a problem with people claiming they need money when in fact they do not,I also have a problem with people taking the money and running like Art did. Art planned this all along,his putting Heather in his place. He made his money fools !

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Discuss.

That's a riot, a non-compete on their shitty little network? Art and Keith are out of their minds.

[Tinfoil_Helm]

So did DMDN ask LNM to join up for free?  I assume LNM guy was making a little money, so it'd be pretty shitty to shut down his whole (somewhat competing) network just for the honor to have a time slot near Art. 

[Tarbaby]

I don't have an ignore list yet, but I feel it would be futile because the context of the thread's conversation would be fucked with people replying to people I can't see.

when someone responds to a person on your ignore list you are then able to see their post.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

So did DMDN ask LNM to join up for free?

http://lnmradionetwork.com/michael-vara-reveals-the-truth-about-dark-matter-radio-network/

He gets into the offer starting at 4:35, negotiations with Art and Keith. LNM was supposed to be the lead in for Midnight in the Desert but turned them down because of a beef with Richard.

[MV/Liberace!]

I assume LNM guy was making a little money...

Very doubtful.

[ponyboysunset]

1. Those subscriber numbers seem low to me, I bet it was much more money. Which hey, good for them.
2. This is the best Keith could do for a show before Art? Seriously? I did find the emails amusing though. Given my fun behind the scenes work I would buy the whole controlling thing, but it's not RCH. I'm not buying that. Unless he purposely acts stupid.

[creepygreenlight]

I assume the advice to make it her own show means to change the opening theme and the bumper music?

Or if it's too much trouble for her to find a new intro and bumper music then maybe she can just change her name to George Noory Jr?

[WOTR]

...I harp on them every chance I get. So please relax, I wasn't meaning a personal attack on you. Ok?

Fair enough.  I had missed the crossing out of "you".  Also, I suppose that I don't take a forum as seriously as I do my actual life, and am far more tolerant of trolls.  If somebody vulnerable were being "bullied", perhaps- but Art will be just fine, as will George Noory.

[jjsmooth]

Those subscriber numbers seem low to me

I cannot believe that Hoagland had nearly that many subscribers. If he did, then why all the "useless bandwith eaters" talk?

[Tinfoil_Helm]

http://lnmradionetwork.com/michael-vara-reveals-the-truth-about-dark-matter-radio-network/

He gets into the offer starting at 4:35, negotiations with Art and Keith. LNM was supposed to be the lead in for Midnight in the Desert but turned them down because of a beef with Richard.

Ah, so he woulda got a similar "royalty" to theirs, just based of his subscription numbers, which would've been presumably higher than what he was getting on LNM.  Still sucks that they require him to kill his own network.  Regardless of how rinky dink it is or isn't, it'd be hard to walk away from something that you consider a labor of love. 

From a career perspective though, he totally blew it by not making it work.  Even if DMDN is doomed to fail...

[ponyboysunset]

I cannot believe that Hoagland had nearly that many subscribers. If he did, then why all the "useless bandwith eaters" talk?

I should have said Art's numbers seem low. I forgot about Keith making public Richard's bandwidth expense. 

[ItsOver]

As I recall, Art stopped on December 10.  Other than his call-in for Heather's first show, he seems to be completely MIA.  I would have though he'd at least called in briefly somewhere between Heather's first show and now.  I have nothing against Heather but if Art doesn't pop up on the show very soon, I'll be surprised if the bottom doesn't fall out with the subscriptions, if if hasn't already.

[boxman]

As I recall, Art stopped on December 10.  Other than his call-in for Heather's first show, he seems to be completely MIA.  I would have though he'd at least called in briefly somewhere between Heather's first show and now.  I have nothing against Heather but if Art doesn't pop up on the show very soon, I'll be surprised if the bottom doesn't fall out with the subscriptions, if if hasn't already.

It just shows what peopel have been saying... He does NOT care at all about this show.

[Tarbaby]

The last few days I thought I heard a new commercial or two from Art. I wonder, if this is the case, is it OK with the stalker if Art still does commercials from behind the scenes?

[Value Of Pi]

I only learned of Noory through this forum, actually.  I'm new to AB and paranormal radio, so I don't have all the history/scorn/drama that seemingly comes with the territory, but is he really that bad?  If he's a poor-man's Art, isn't that way better than what Art left us with?  Nothing personal with Heather, but someone else put it better: she's like a kindergarten teacher.  Rather than listen to her "See Dick run" style of radio, I checked out Noory and it's palatable. 

What I don't understand is how many fucking commercials the listener has to sit through with Noory.  It feels like 20 minutes at a time. 

Anyhow, I know it's heresy to not hate Noory, but I don't totally hate the show.  At least he HAS a show, ya know?  I'll take what I can get, thanks to Art.

All good points. It is fairly heretical to say anything good about Noory on BG. But ironically, with Heather (Noory's big critic here) taking over MITD, some people were at some point going to assess the two with Noory comparing favorably.

You do take what you can get, as long as it's reasonably listenable, and I have been looking for alternatives. Once in a while, I'll land on C2C with one host or another doing the show. After all the start-up dramas enveloping MITD, I do appreciate a professionally run radio operation that keeps things moving along smoothly.

[ponyboysunset]

The last few days I thought I heard a new commercial or two from Art. I wonder, if this is the case, is it OK with the stalker if Art still does commercials from behind the scenes?

Why I pointed this very thing out yesterday. It does make one wonder.