Art Bell

[norland2424]

Wow I am shocked the network survived but congrats!  I was wrong. Apparently people are enjoying his replacement or his word to support her carries a lot of weight. Either way kudos. (Still not subscribing. Lol)

Yea this what keith said.
Updated: 12-21-2015

The Dark Matter Digital Network is still operating and will run the same programs it has been, if they want to stay, and still for FREE. The only change are some programs will not be LIVE, just pre-recorded.  If Art does come back in any capacity, it would be on DMDN.

Midnight in the Desert will continue with Heather Wade as host for now, and will leave the chair open for Art to guest host or maybe even return periodically.  To support this effort, please stay subscribed as a Time Traveler. If you canceled and wish to reinstate your subscription, just sign up again at $4.99. The website has been renamed of course to Midnight in the Desert. Links to ArtBell.com still work and will re-direct to midnightinthedesert.com. All the great info is still archived here.

[DarKPenguiN]

Yea this what keith said.
Updated: 12-21-2015

The Dark Matter Digital Network is still operating and will run the same programs it has been, if they want to stay, and still for FREE. The only change are some programs will not be LIVE, just pre-recorded.  If Art does come back in any capacity, it would be on DMDN.

Midnight in the Desert will continue with Heather Wade as host for now, and will leave the chair open for Art to guest host or maybe even return periodically.  To support this effort, please stay subscribed as a Time Traveler. If you canceled and wish to reinstate your subscription, just sign up again at $4.99. The website has been renamed of course to Midnight in the Desert. Links to ArtBell.com still work and will re-direct to midnightinthedesert.com. All the great info is still archived here.

I feel really bad for keith tbh.

I hope it works out for him. he put alot into this.

[HumanBeing]

I would pretty much agree with most of that (yes gas smells good but I graduated to huffing glue when  i turned 30) and one thing ive never, ever denied is that Art is a hell of broadcaster and interviewer. Guy has talent and great interviewing skills- hes a master showman.

My issue isnt about the quality of Art Bells broadcasts or shows- Honestly I really dont have much of an issue this time since I didnt buy a radio and subscription based on trusting Art. I came back to read what what being said and saw a repeat of the Sirius incident with the true believers calling everyone trolls and questioning their sanity or  accusations that they worked for premrat or are secretly george Noory.

Its really odd. Fool me once shame on you - Fool me twice shame on me . However, this forum shows "fool me 100 times and I will defend you against the 'trolls'and anyone who is speaking out against being fooled".

I never intended to get too much into this debate but the sleeping penguin has been awakened. =P

There will be people who will defend Art to the death, for wrong or right 

I've never enjoyed the message board more than I have in these past few weeks.
Better than a movie 

[ponyboysunset]

Yea this what keith said.
Updated: 12-21-2015

The Dark Matter Digital Network is still operating and will run the same programs it has been, if they want to stay, and still for FREE. The only change are some programs will not be LIVE, just pre-recorded.  If Art does come back in any capacity, it would be on DMDN.

Midnight in the Desert will continue with Heather Wade as host for now, and will leave the chair open for Art to guest host or maybe even return periodically.  To support this effort, please stay subscribed as a Time Traveler. If you canceled and wish to reinstate your subscription, just sign up again at $4.99. The website has been renamed of course to Midnight in the Desert. Links to ArtBell.com still work and will re-direct to midnightinthedesert.com. All the great info is still archived here.

I didn't know 30 days were up. Must have made enough money or Art convinced him not to. Given their track record I am not surprised. Thanks for the update.

[ItsOver]

This board does a decent job of giving both Art and George boots to the face 
Some fans defend Art and (haven't checked the George Noory Sucks" thoroughly) I'm sure George gets some defenders for him in his thread as well...

You'll find the Noory supporters few and far between on the GNS thread.  Heck, just the title of the thread alone illustrates the difference.  With Art, it's just "Art Bell."  With Noory, it's "George Noory Sucks!...."  The difference, of course, is Art is a one-of-a-kind, radio hall of fame broadcaster.  Noory is a one-of-a-kind schlub who stumbled into his position and plods along as a corporate lackey in order to keep his salary.  If you enjoy the pleasure of an ear hemorrhoid, he's there most nights for you. 

[Night Train]

I'm new to forumming and Art's conflicts with this forum have got me thinking about evidence and ethics and what other forums serve as analogs to the behavior here.  Most of the confusion comes from the conflicting standards people are using.

If this was a court, for all you would-be lawyers, the only evidence in the strictest sense is Art's eyewitness account.  Nothing contradictory has been offered.

Since it's not a court, man-on-the-street ethics might apply, particularly since we know Art posts and interacts with people here.  If somebody tells you a story about what happened to him and you have no knowledge to the contrary, you're generally expected to acquiesce.  You're certainly free to jump up and down and yell "liar" but everyone around you is free to conclude that you're a dick.

Most of what's been offered to contradict Art's account is what used to be called idle gossip -- the kind of tale-spinning and dark, unfounded speculation that takes place behind closed doors and used to be considered the exclusive province of middle-aged women.  Some of it is hilarious and I enjoy reading it, but to elevate it to respectability and insist that people who don't accept its conclusions are stupid is too much to ask.

I hope Art stays engaged with this forum.  He should bear in mind, though, that in addition to his fans (who'll accept what he says out of politeness, not naiveté) he's addressing a cadre of gossipy spinsters with poor social boundaries.

Welcome to Bellgab!

Post often.

Fellate Art Bell

If somebody tells you a story about what happened to him and you have no knowledge to the contrary, you're generally expected to acquiesce.

Well, unless that person has a long history of pulling the same stunt again and again.  Then you're generally expected to believe he's once again pulling the same stunt.

But feel free to join the "Mega-rimjobs, Art!" crowd.

[Night Train]

Yes. The main problem with that is that he has a history of leaving his show abruptly for various reasons in the past. I, like many people, felt that the initial report looked like the foundations were being laid for a departure some time in the near future. I don't think it required extraordinary powers of clairvoyance to see that one coming. It may all be totally true, but without much in the way of evidence to back it up you are left relying on feelings based on his past conduct and attitude.

It seems far-fetched to doubt him, and I am sure most people wouldn't go to such lengths in a similar situation, but nobody actually knows anything about him other than the scraps he chooses to show us. Choosing to exercise a certain scepticism is not the same as calling him a liar; it's just asking for a bit more than one man's word.

Actually, Art Bell is a known liar.  He assured his fans when he quit a dozen years ago that they needn't worry about the show going down the tubes, because "George gets it."

[whytide]

the kind of tale-spinning and dark, unfounded speculation that takes place behind closed doors and used to be considered the exclusive province of middle-aged women

Trolling is a plague of the Internet.

However, I think that when we use the word "trolling," we're really conflating two groups.

Troll Type 1.) Unfounded speculationinists, but who really believe what they're saying ("Good faith trolls")
Troll Type 2.) Ultimately Nihilists who take joy in destroying for its own sake, giggling amid the flames of a metaphorical arson they caused. They deliberately post lies, incendiary lies that they know to be lies, endless ad hominem and vulgarity, and, curiously, usually the motivation of Troll Type 2 is not even that they care about the target but because they enjoy giggling their way ever deeper into nihilism. ("Bad faith trolls"). Troll Type 2 falls under the purview of libel law, as I understand it, but Homo Interneticus doesn't seem to believe in libel as a concept, anymore.

Troll Type 2 is a tiny percentage of the population, but very noisy and so highly visible. Troll Type 2 can/does destroy online communities. I have witnessed this more than once.

[Sandra Kristen]

Yea this what keith said.
Updated: 12-21-2015

The Dark Matter Digital Network is still operating and will run the same programs it has been, if they want to stay, and still for FREE. The only change are some programs will not be LIVE, just pre-recorded.  If Art does come back in any capacity, it would be on DMDN.

Midnight in the Desert will continue with Heather Wade as host for now, and will leave the chair open for Art to guest host or maybe even return periodically.  To support this effort, please stay subscribed as a Time Traveler. If you canceled and wish to reinstate your subscription, just sign up again at $4.99. The website has been renamed of course to Midnight in the Desert. Links to ArtBell.com still work and will re-direct to midnightinthedesert.com. All the great info is still archived here.

It seems as though the only person who doesn't get to broadcast for free is Hoaxie. Kind of fucked up honestly. Especially since he is the stations biggest star and best radio personality. I have no idea why Hoaxie hasn't told Art and Keith to fuck off, especially since they did try to sabotage his show.

[HumanBeing]

Right.  I never claimed he really believed George gets it.  I said he was lying.  And you're saying, yeah, but he lied because Premiere asked him to.

In other words, Art will lie when it's convenient.  He'll not only lie, he'll lie about his show, and he'll lie to his fans about the show.

Which doesn't help the "I believe Art" crowd.

Sometimes you do and say things that comes back to bite you in the ass when you tow the company line

You hungry? I can't believe this is a real thing...

[DarKPenguiN]

It seems as though the only person who doesn't get to broadcast for free is Hoaxie. Kind of fucked up honestly. Especially since he is the stations biggest star and best radio personality. I have no idea why Hoaxie hasn't told Art and Keith to fuck off, especially since they did try to sabotage his show.

Off topic but whats the deal with Art sabotaging Hoglands show? Ive seen it alluded to a few times- I thought they were friends and why would keith want to sabotage a show on his network? Not saying I disbelieve it but whats the story? TBH , I cannot believe Hogland had is own show- he is boring as a guest.

[Night Train]

Sometimes you do and say things that comes back to bite you in the ass when you tow the company line

You hungry? I can't believe this is a real thing...

Yes, lying to people, for any reason, often comes back to bite a person in the ass.  And if you lied to millions of fans, it can bite hard.

[Chronaut]

Yup

http://www.amazon.com/Project-Beta-Bennewitz-National-Security/dp/0743470923

Gracias - I've heard his name bandied about, but I didn't know if his work was recommended by people who read up on this stuff. Whenever I scan the search results on psyops subjects, I notice that someone has something bad to say about everything that's out there, so navigating the murky waters is tricky business.

It's just my opinion that 'Heather' is not her real name, but that's based on the fact that she is highly reticent about herself to the extent that we know nothing about her. In that situation it's highly unlikely she would give out her real name, although there's a chance I could be wrong. Nobody has said she should divulge anything she doesn't want to, but I really think she's in the wrong job if she wants to retain her anonymity and be taken seriously. As it stands at the moment, she can't claim that she is being harmed in any way, either professionally or personally.

It’s true that if you’re right about a pseudonym, she isn’t really being hurt professionally (at least it certainly mitigates any harm).  I hope you’re right.

I suppose Art could claim he was libelled, but most people have the sense to let that stuff slide, because libel trials have the tendency to shred the reputations of all those involved, even the victors. Better to ignore it or, if you must, refute it, but don't take it any further.

That’s a big part of the ugliness of mud-slinging.  Even when it’s clearly false, it still taints your feelings about someone.  Which is why it’s so common in politics.  Ugly business. 

We have different opinions about her merits as a broadcaster. To me, she sounds out of her depth, and should have been given a chance to cut her teeth in a less pressurised situation. Art has done her a disservice, although he probably meant to be kind. I guess his sudden retirement has left her stranded and he was trying to do her a good turn by giving her this gig. That doesn't alter the fact that she is totally untried and that there are many others who could make it work far better. I don't think anyone could walk into that job and expect to succeed under those circumstances. People can get very annoyed - particularly in the entertainment industry - at those who walk into jobs without having paid their dues first. I think a lot of the comments have arisen because of precisely this. In one sense, I feel sorry for Heather, but she must also think she is up to the job, and ambitious enough to take it on, so my sympathy is moderated a bit. 

It looked to me like Art suddenly hung up the mic and she was the only person around willing to step in to save the show â€" it didn’t strike me an act of ambition as much as an emergency intervention.  I haven’t really formed an opinion about her merits as a broadcaster yet; I want to see how she does when the pressure eases up and the hecklers are averted or lose interest.  I don’t think we’ll really know what she’s like over an extended period until she can settle in and relax â€" and that’s just impossible under recent conditions.

I really doubt Art wants to come back full-time. Actually, I think the last person to be able to understand his motivations is the man himself. He sounds conflicted about all sorts of things, and my guess is that he likes the idea of broadcasting, but finds the late nights and the effort involved to be too much after a while and he starts to look for the exit again. I think the comment about the 'occasional' appearance is probably the best-case scenario. Even when he was supposely 'all-in' he was very quickly all out again. He is a very complicated man, obviously, and it would be unwise to read too much into what he says.

You have a good point that were all strangers to ourselves, to a greater or lesser extent:  rarely do the narratives we create for ourselves match perfectly with the narratives others create about us.

But Art’s always been as honest as he can be, from everything I’ve seen over the years.  And I certainly don’t presume to know him better than he knows himself.  And he seems very sincere that he wants to be at the mic, so that’s good enough for me.

I suppose it’s a choice, but it’s based on experience, to simply trust what he has to say.  So I take his statements at face value.  So I’m comfortable accepting that someone has intentionally forced him off the air, and I don’t fault him for it.  I fault the antagonist.  If some people think that makes me stupid, I really don’t care.  I don’t trust my gut instincts because I’m stupid; I trust them because in my experience they usually prove to be correct.  I’m just concerned that we may never know the identity of the shooter in this case (and having lived in urban environments my entire life, and having gun range experience from the age of 6, I understand that gunfire sounds exactly like fireworks).

And as I said before, he’s come back to broadcasting as many timers as he’s left it â€" and I perceive a lifelong love for it in his voice â€" so I think he’ll be back.  And I’ll enjoy hearing him again, because I always do.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

It seems as though the only person who doesn't get to broadcast for free is Hoaxie. Kind of fucked up honestly. Especially since he is the stations biggest star and best radio personality. I have no idea why Hoaxie hasn't told Art and Keith to fuck off, especially since they did try to sabotage his show.

Where else would Hoagland go? He has no options and DMDN is still giving him some money. If he doesn't have a public platform, his career of Woo will dry up and blow away rapidly.

[norland2424]

It seems as though the only person who doesn't get to broadcast for free is Hoaxie. Kind of fucked up honestly. Especially since he is the stations biggest star and best radio personality. I have no idea why Hoaxie hasn't told Art and Keith to fuck off, especially since they did try to sabotage his show.

Pretty much the others shows dont have paid subs so i get why keith is doing it the way he is

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â€" Keith Rowland

[pyewacket]

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[SredniVashtar]

Actually, Art Bell is a known liar.  He assured his fans when he quit a dozen years ago that they needn't worry about the show going down the tubes, because "George gets it."

That's not lying. That's making a statement which later proved incorrect. He may have thought George would be a decent replacement at the time, and you can't prove otherwise. It was a bad call, but it wasn't a deliberate lie.

[BellBoy]

I didn't know 30 days were up. Must have made enough money or Art convinced him not to. Given their track record I am not surprised. Thanks for the update.

If I had to guess (which I don't, yet I will), Art got out his checkbook and ponied up some cash, to keep the network viable... for at least another month.

[gabrielle]

That's not lying. That's making a statement which later proved incorrect. He may have thought George would be a decent replacement at the time, and you can't prove otherwise. It was a bad call, but it wasn't a deliberate lie.

+1
couldn't have said it better myself SV.

[norland2424]

Off topic but whats the deal with Art sabotaging Hoglands show? Ive seen it alluded to a few times- I thought they were friends and why would keith want to sabotage a show on his network? Not saying I disbelieve it but whats the story? TBH , I cannot believe Hogland had is own show- he is boring as a guest.

He forgot to say happy birthday to sandra, so shit happened.

[Night Train]

Off topic but whats the deal with Art sabotaging Hoglands show? Ive seen it alluded to a few times- I thought they were friends and why would keith want to sabotage a show on his network?

Yeah, I'm lost there, too.  Haven't cared enough to look into it.

Not saying I disbelieve it but whats the story? TBH , I cannot believe Hogland had is own show- he is boring as a guest.

Yeah, I couldn't believe it when RCH was announced as a guest.  Even back in the old days pre-Mike Siegel, RCH was horrible.  He'll never answer a question, but does the "let me answer that by first talking about this", then going down a bunch of rabbit trails, and never coming back to the main point.  I can't imagine that he makes a good show host.

[Chronaut]

You'll find the Noory supporters few and far between on the GNS thread.  Heck, just the title of the thread alone illustrates the difference.  With Art, it's just "Art Bell."  With Noory, it's "George Noory Sucks!...."  The difference, of course, is Art is a one-of-a-kind, radio hall of fame broadcaster.  Noory is a one-of-a-kind schlub who stumbled into his position and plods along as a corporate lackey in order to keep his salary.  If you enjoy the pleasure of an ear hemorrhoid, he's there most nights for you.

I heard him boasting about the expansion of C2C from around 450 affiliates when Art left, to over 600 today, and felt a little sick.  Apparently he takes credit for the monopolization of radio stations in America by his corporate overlords, and their horrific agenda to homogenize mass media.

You didn't increase the appeal of the show, Sneorge - you got dragged along on the coattails of the malignant Murdock empire.

[SredniVashtar]

Gracias - I've heard his name bandied about, but I didn't know if his work was recommended by people who read up on this stuff. Whenever I scan the search results on psyops subjects, I notice that someone has something bad to say about everything that's out there, so navigating the murky waters is tricky business.

He does a show called Radio Misterioso. I haven't heard it in a while but I thought it was pretty good. I am sure he is not to everyone's tastes but it is worth a look if it is a subject you are interested in.

[Value Of Pi]

It seems as though the only person who doesn't get to broadcast for free is Hoaxie. Kind of fucked up honestly. Especially since he is the stations biggest star and best radio personality. I have no idea why Hoaxie hasn't told Art and Keith to fuck off, especially since they did try to sabotage his show.

Security hasn't yet come around to escort him out of the building. He would probably wait for that. In the meantime, he's talking about going elsewhere. Repeatedly.

[Night Train]

That's not lying. That's making a statement which later proved incorrect. He may have thought George would be a decent replacement at the time, and you can't prove otherwise. It was a bad call, but it wasn't a deliberate lie.

It was a statement with no foundation in fact, which Art couldn't back up.

And if he was telling the truth as he understood it, then why does he now say the only reason he said it was because Premiere pressured him into it?  You generally don't need to be pressured into saying things you honestly believe.

[Ms. C]

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[Night Train]

There will be people who will defend Art to the death, for wrong or right 

I've never enjoyed the message board more than I have in these past few weeks.
Better than a movie 

I'm blushing here!

[HumanBeing]

You'll find the Noory supporters few and far between on the GNS thread.  Heck, just the title of the thread alone illustrates the difference.  With Art, it's just "Art Bell."  With Noory, it's "George Noory Sucks!...."  The difference, of course, is Art is a one-of-a-kind, radio hall of fame broadcaster.  Noory is a one-of-a-kind schlub who stumbled into his position and plods along as a corporate lackey in order to keep his salary.  If you enjoy the pleasure of an ear hemorrhoid, he's there most nights for you.

hehe I can envision this thread being renamed to "Art Bell Sucks" in the not to distant future.

I say this in all honesty and not to receive any kudos or to look all cool or whatnot. But I have not heard a George Noory hosted C2C program since 2008.
Once upon a time I would listen if he had a guest on, that loved to give a monologue presentation, that I was really interested in. But those days have long gone 
Now I only listen to the George Knapp shows that tickle my fancy, so to speak 

I did dare load up the latest page of the GNS thread last night and people were listening to the show and chatting about it. I just can't do that.
I'd rather stick toothpicks under my fingernails.

[ItsOver]

Sometimes you do and say things that comes back to bite you in the ass when you tow the company line

You hungry? I can't believe this is a real thing...

Don't forget to add some background music for the holiday season, as you're enjoying those Noory gourmet delights.

[DarKPenguiN]

hehe I can envision this thread being renamed to "Art Bell Sucks" in the not to distant future.

I say this in all honesty and not to receive any kudos or to look all cool or whatnot. But I have not heard a George Noory hosted C2C program since 2008.
Once upon a time I would listen if he had a guest on, that loved to give a monologue presentation, that I was really interested in. But those days have long gone 
Now I only listen to the George Knapp shows that tickle my fancy, so to speak 

I did dare load up the latest page of the GNS thread last night and people were listening to the show and chatting about it. I just can't do that.
I'd rather stick toothpicks under my fingernails.

Its gotten worse if that can be believed... Listened to a few on youtube looking for interesting topics and since Npoory cannot interview worth a fuck they now have 2 guest on so nothing gets deep or even has a chance to.

George Knapp is awesome. Period.