Art Bell

[Camazotz Automat]

Well she was Baptised by a German Priest who spelled her name that way but no American can look at it and say Irene, so she likes it pronounced as It looks. Many people think that was my idea which is not true, it's what people who look at the spelling say and it is unique so she fell in love with it.

Art

Dave: So what we've got here is a mean Nazi baby.  Am I right or am I right?

[ponyboysunset]

First off- I'm not trying to pick a fight with you Tarbaby, just throwing out some questions to the group in general. My use of the word 'you' is directed to the group.

Conflict is common on most boards from time to time. Bellgab happens to cover topics about people in the media and I would expect it to be a draw for pro and con voices. MV is the administrator and can set it up whatever way suits him. I expect him to try and make some profit- why not? He has to deal with running it all. He offers us a place to debate, share interests, connect with podcasts, and even provides them with the help of other long time members. Do you think he deserves no compensation for any of these services?

Some people have complained about BG having cliques- Ha- you should see what happens when you have a moderator with a clique of 'pets'. If someone says anything the pets don't like, the report buttons alert the mod and the inquisition begins. The mod and the pets end up running the board like the mean girls in a Disney movie. One by one your favorite posters disappear and you end up leaving as well.

Is that what you would like to have happen here? Who wants to volunteer to be a mod? Who gets to decide what's acceptable and what is not?

I appreciate what MV has created and hope he keeps it as is.

+1. Love the witty, pro capitalist post. He runs a libertarian board. I love it! What do the kids say, Praise MV!

[Tarbaby]

First off- I'm not trying to pick a fight with you Tarbaby, just throwing out some questions to the group in general. My use of the word 'you' is directed to the group.

Conflict is common on most boards from time to time. Bellgab happens to cover topics about people in the media and I would expect it to be a draw for pro and con voices. MV is the administrator and can set it up whatever way suits him. I expect him to try and make some profit- why not? He has to deal with running it all. He offers us a place to debate, share interests, connect with podcasts, and even provides them with the help of other long time members. Do you think he deserves no compensation for any of these services?

Some people have complained about BG having cliques- Ha- you should see what happens when you have a moderator with a clique of 'pets'. If someone says anything the pets don't like, the report buttons alert the mod and the inquisition begins. The mod and the pets end up running the board like the mean girls in a Disney movie. One by one your favorite posters disappear and you end up leaving as well.

Is that what you would like to have happen here? Who wants to volunteer to be a mod? Who gets to decide what's acceptable and what is not?

I appreciate what MV has created and hope he keeps it as is.

yes, I'm familiar with all of your points. I wasn't taking a position in my post pro or con, just presenting an Objective overview.

[SredniVashtar]

Conflict is common on most boards from time to time.

No it isn't! Fuck you! 

[onan]

Here's the deal. This a raucous forum, that is premised on a guy that primarily discusses non-credible and unbelievable subjects. If anyone were to inform me they were personally injured by another poster on this shared forum, I would tell them "I will be right back."

I really like this forum, but this isn't my go to source for character validation.

[serenity]

Time for the Saturday post.

Tonight starting at 8PM Central until Midnight Central ( Thats 6 to 10pm Pacific for you guys in Rio Linda ) on http://ksyl.com is: Art Bell: Somewhere in Time. when Art returns to 6/26/96 for a night of Open Lines dealing with issues that we are facing today: terrorism, politics, bombings, FBI hearings, and more.

http://ksyl.com has a live stream listed on their page and they can also be found on Tune-in.
If you are local to NW Louisiana or if the propagation is right, you can hear them on 970AM,
I do not know if the show is in the archive. Jazmunda might have the info on that. However from past info, these may be the "new" classics and may not be in the archive.

For those of you with a bent for nostalgia, from 6pm to 8pm Central, ksyl plays When Radio Was, with old radio shows from the time when "Radio was King!"

Remember "Theres Magic in the Static"
"When you go outside tonight, look to the sky, you never know what you may see"

[Dr. MD MD]

This guy is so terrified of me...er..his stalker, that he takes a picture with his daughter in the middle of the night. Makes a lot of sense.

Most of us agree. George Noory is scary! I'd take a picture at night to avoid him too. 

[Dr. MD MD]

I remember when I Married Airyn the heavy bet was it won't last six Months, anybody remember that one? This April 11th we will celebrate 10 Years.

Art

Lord knows it ain't easy keeping any relationship going that long. Congrats, Art! Great pic of you and your daughter. Snow...in the desert!

[nooryisawesome]

Here's the deal. This a raucous forum, that is premised on a guy that primarily discusses non-credible and unbelievable subjects. If anyone were to inform me they were personally injured by another poster on this shared forum, I would tell them "I will be right back."

I really like this forum, but this isn't my go to source for character validation.

Wrong again.

Bellgab.com is THE source for chrachter validation.

[CornyCrow]

I'm sure that the Warren Commission made errors. But the truly mind-boggling idea for many people at this point would be that they basically got it right on the lone shooter thesis and the absence of a conspiracy.

People have a lot of trouble with the notion that one little schnook can change history. They need a conspiracy and maybe the bigger the better. Unexplained and unproven parts of the story go down easier when explained in terms of a conspiracy. Besides, it's just hard to accept that we'll never be able to fit all the jigsaw pieces together in any definitive way.  Great for radio, any way you slice it. This particular interview, the part they played anyway, actually supported the lone gunman theory.

It's a shame.  I'm not going to dig through all the discrepancies of the 'official' story, but at the time only a minority of people believed Oswald did it - or, if he did, that he was alone.  Their were two camps, with variations within each.  The Warren Commis. picked a side and only accepted their evidence, only interviewed people supporting their claims. 

That was the start of many hitherto stalwart flag-wavers turning against the US government, starting to question other things, not believing 'official' stories. 

There are enough sites to interest those who want to delve into the subject.

Just recently there is evidence of a spike of the news, in that claim of Trump's of celebrating Muslims at the 911 attacks.  Journalists who are supposed to be professionals 'forgot' about this and ridiculed Trump.  All archives oddly 'lost' the videos and stories supporting that claim.  My husband and I had gotten lost in Paterson once, a scary event.  We looked, during the 911 broadcasts of the celebrations in Paterson, because it looked very much like the area we had been in.  We kept seeing that footage played over and over during that day.

Odd, that we should remember it and the professionals whom we trust could not.  The thing that 'refreshed' memories initially was some article that was not written about the celebrations but gave reference to them.

I think it is just as dangerous, believing that conspiracies do not happen, as believing that everything is a conspiracy, but they do occur.  Off and on I had seen various photos, usually in the back pages of the news, of government/armed forces planes crashing, coming into the US with drugs strewn about. 

I have seen two documentaries (not dramas) in which statements were made that the real estate boom in Miami was fueled by mostly drug money and real estate is one of the few investments left to drug dealers in which large purchases are not reported to the feds.  Shouldn't that make a person curious about the huge rise in prices of realty in our large cities - all cash transactions?   

[Chronaut]

and by the way... a courtroom full of lawyers often has a difficult time determining if something is libelous... so you think i'm supposed to be required to make that determination?  or that i even could?  you're living in a fantasy land full of purple unicorns and frowning elves.

Honestly I think we'll all living in a fantasy land but that's a different topic.

I’m not gonna beat a dead horse.  The definition of defamation is pretty simple:

“The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are:
1.)  a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2.)  a false statement of fact;
3.)  that is understood as
       a. being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
       b. tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.”

So I thought that Art was right when he said that these crossed the line in that realm, and I totally understand why he got so upset about it:
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,9159.msg640584.html#msg640584
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,9159.msg640586.html#msg640586

I guess I figured that drawing the line at libel seemed like a good place to set a minimum standard, and to look out for your friend at the same time.  I guess I was wrong.

[Chronaut]

"Magic Works." Such a cool link, thank you, Chronaut!

I understand the power of sigil-esque works, but don't see why he removes all the vowels? Leads me to think his magic must hinge on... The red SOLO cup.

Merry Christmas!

I'm glad you enjoyed that Grant Morrison talk - he's a real trip.  I kinda think of him as a successor to Terence McKenna - I used used to have a library of Terence's talks and they were simply dazzling.  His audio book of True Hallucinations is pretty magnificent too - it got fairly wide distribution so you may be able to find it.  Really, really fun to listen to.

I honestly know nothing about sigil magic, other than the fact that it freaked me out the first time I tried it.  I did not expect it to work.  But when it did I felt like maybe I shouldn't fuck with forces that I don't understand at all.  Perhaps one day I'll try it again, when I feel wiser than I feel today 

[SredniVashtar]

Honestly I think we'll all living in a fantasy land but that's a different topic.

I don't think the case can even be made that people are defaming Heather. She is, to all intents and purposes, a ghost. She has revealed nothing about herself whatsoever - we probably don't know her name (we should really call her 'Heather Wade') because we almost certainly haven't been told the real one, and was presumably told to come up with one at the behest of Art. People can say what they like about her because they are saying things about a shadow, rather than a person with a presence in the real world. She is merely a disembodied voice right now. The problem with this situation is that you can't have it both ways: you either front up and deal with the consequences, or you leave a large vacuum that will be filled up with all sorts of speculation.

[Chronaut]

I don't think the case can even be made that people are defaming Heather. She is, to all intents and purposes, a ghost. She has revealed nothing about herself whatsoever - we probably don't know her name (we should really call her 'Heather Wade') because we almost certainly haven't been told the real one, and was presumably told to come up with one at the behest of Art. People can say what they like about her because they are saying things about a shadow, rather than a person with a presence in the real world. She is merely a disembodied voice right now. The problem with this situation is that you can't have it both ways: you either front up and deal with the consequences, or you leave a large vacuum that will be filled up with all sorts of speculation.

First off I owe you an apology:  I blew a gasket at you about a week ago and I was wrong.  I'm sorry.  I got you conflated with a bunch of nasty frickin' trolls who were driving me crazy at the time and you just happened to be in the line of fire when I lost it.

Regarding Heather, thank you for clearing that up I had no idea that wasn't her real name.  I still hate the vile scumbag who said those things about her, and I think he was waaay out of line and should probably be euthanized, but since her anonymity is still intact then you're right:  it can't hurt her professionally and that's a key factor.

I still feel guilty for not speaking up in her thread more vehemently when there was a lot of rubber-necking going on during the 4chaner heckling, but I can't change the past so I'll just have to do better in the weeks ahead.  I want the show to succeed; I want Heather to have a better time hosting until Art can come back, and I want Art to get back on the mic as soon as his family is safe again.  None of those are going to happen without the support of the listeners who care.

[Auslandia]

First off I owe you an apology:  I blew a gasket at you about a week ago and I was wrong.  I'm sorry.  I got you conflated with a bunch of nasty frickin' trolls who were driving me crazy at the time and you just happened to be in the line of fire when I lost it.

Regarding Heather, thank you for clearing that up I had no idea that wasn't her real name.  I still hate the vile scumbag who said those things about her, and I think he was waaay out of line and should probably be euthanized, but since her anonymity is still intact then you're right:  it can't hurt her professionally and that's a key factor.

I still feel guilty for not speaking up in her thread more vehemently when there was a lot of rubber-necking going on during the 4chaner heckling, but I can't change the past so I'll just have to do better in the weeks ahead.  I want the show to succeed; I want Heather to have a better time hosting until Art can come back, and I want Art to get back on the mic as soon as his family is safe again.  None of those are going to happen without the support of the listeners who care.

I don't think people actually care anymore. 

[Meister_000]

. . . So I thought that Art was right when he said that these crossed the line in that realm, and I totally understand why he got so upset about it:
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,9159.msg640584.html#msg640584
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,9159.msg640586.html#msg640586

I guess I figured that drawing the line at libel seemed like a good place to set a minimum standard, and to look out for your friend at the same time.  I guess I was wrong.

I explained this, your two "cited" bits of incriminating evidence above, directly to/for you Chronaut, 5 days ago.

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,30.msg641921.html#msg641921

Here's the text of that message;

All Things Art Bell / Re: Art Bell
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:46:24 AM »
Quote from: Chronaut on December 19, 2015, 11:54:35 PM

. . . it finally dawned on me who posted the final straw that broke Art’s spirit today (although many share the blame), and I think this mfer should be called out.  It was this post by the delightful bellNwhistle that rang a bell:

Art must have read this post by the illiterate scumbag using the handle “stargazr1976”: . . .

It seems that niether bellNwhistle, nor Art, nor you Chronaut, read nor understood what the drunken stargazr1976 was saying last night during his flurry of posts in the MITD with H Wade thread (from 12:28am to 2:18am). MV was standing right there half the time and actually conversing with him, and Heather too was dropping in to post once an hour till 5 am.

Stargazr1976 was trying to tell Heather what the guys on 4chan were saying about her (the status quo _on_ 4chan and other boards) and he was also saying that refusing to provide a photo was a little silly for pro Radio personalities to try to pull or enforce.

I will assume you honestly never read that Chronaut, my reply to you addressing your exact points,  nevertheless, . . .

Motion for Dismissal  -- Granted!

[SredniVashtar]

First off I owe you an apology:  I blew a gasket at you about a week ago and I was wrong.  I'm sorry.  I got you conflated with a bunch of nasty frickin' trolls who were driving me crazy at the time and you just happened to be in the line of fire when I lost it.

Regarding Heather, thank you for clearing that up I had no idea that wasn't her real name.  I still hate the vile scumbag who said those things about her, and I think he was waaay out of line and should probably be euthanized, but since her anonymity is still intact then you're right:  it can't hurt her professionally and that's a key factor.

I still feel guilty for not speaking up in her thread more vehemently when there was a lot of rubber-necking going on during the 4chaner heckling, but I can't change the past so I'll just have to do better in the weeks ahead.  I want the show to succeed; I want Heather to have a better time hosting until Art can come back, and I want Art to get back on the mic as soon as his family is safe again.  None of those are going to happen without the support of the listeners who care.

It's just my opinion that 'Heather' is not her real name, but that's based on the fact that she is highly reticent about herself to the extent that we know nothing about her. In that situation it's highly unlikely she would give out her real name, although there's a chance I could be wrong. Nobody has said she should divulge anything she doesn't want to, but I really think she's in the wrong job if she wants to retain her anonymity and be taken seriously. As it stands at the moment, she can't claim that she is being harmed in any way, either professionally or personally. It would be like me claiming to have suffered an injury because someone on here said mean and untrue things about me. It is irksome and unpleasant, but not in any sense libellous. I suppose Art could claim he was libelled, but most people have the sense to let that stuff slide, because libel trials have the tendency to shred the reputations of all those involved, even the victors. Better to ignore it or, if you must, refute it, but don't take it any further.

We have different opinions about her merits as a broadcaster. To me, she sounds out of her depth, and should have been given a chance to cut her teeth in a less pressurised situation. Art has done her a disservice, although he probably meant to be kind. I guess his sudden retirement has left her stranded and he was trying to do her a good turn by giving her this gig. That doesn't alter the fact that she is totally untried and that there are many others who could make it work far better. I don't think anyone could walk into that job and expect to succeed under those circumstances. People can get very annoyed - particularly in the entertainment industry - at those who walk into jobs without having paid their dues first. I think a lot of the comments have arisen because of precisely this. In one sense, I feel sorry for Heather, but she must also think she is up to the job, and ambitious enough to take it on, so my sympathy is moderated a bit. 

I really doubt Art wants to come back full-time. Actually, I think the last person to be able to understand his motivations is the man himself. He sounds conflicted about all sorts of things, and my guess is that he likes the idea of broadcasting, but finds the late nights and the effort involved to be too much after a while and he starts to look for the exit again. I think the comment about the 'occasional' appearance is probably the best-case scenario. Even when he was supposely 'all-in' he was very quickly all out again. He is a very complicated man, obviously, and it would be unwise to read too much into what he says.

[MV/Liberace!]

I guess I was wrong.

[Soylentblue]

it seems there are people out there who just want art to go away.  i understand why people are angry, but this is just silly.

Maybe silly to you but no sillier than Art's sudden declaratations of leaving MITD then hinting at a return and then declaring that he is done with Bellgab and social media only to return less than a week later.

I refuse to play sycophant to curry favor for his return here or on the radio.

Bell seems to be able to play the nut huggers here like a violin. Happily I don't consider myself one of them.

[Auslandia]

Maybe silly to you but no sillier than Art's sudden declaratations of leaving MITD then hinting at a return and then declaring that he is done with Bellgab and social media only to return less than a week later.

I refuse to play sycophant to curry favor for his return here or on the radio.

Bell seems to be able to play the nut huggers here like a violin. Happily I don't consider myself one of them.

That would be akin to a pube violin right?  How do you tune it?

[DesertFox]

Maybe silly to you but no sillier than Art's sudden declaratations of leaving MITD then hinting at a return and then declaring that he is done with Bellgab and social media only to return less than a week later.

I refuse to play sycophant to curry favor for his return here or on the radio.

Bell seems to be able to play the nut huggers here like a violin. Happily I don't consider myself one of them.

You don't need to be a sycophant--but need not go in the other extreme as a a-hole hater.  There is a huge spectrum between those 2 states.

[MV/Liberace!]

Maybe silly to you but no sillier than Art's sudden declaratations of leaving MITD then hinting at a return and then declaring that he is done with Bellgab and social media only to return less than a week later.

I refuse to play sycophant to curry favor for his return here or on the radio.

Bell seems to be able to play the nut huggers here like a violin. Happily I don't consider myself one of them.

no sycophant here, and i'm glad you're so much further above it all than the rest of us.  i'm simply saying i don't see what's gained by spewing invective at art.  is the goal to keep him from opening a mic again?  if so, what's gained? 

art made some horrendous decisions recently.  i get it.  but it doesn't have to mean he's now dead to me.

if he returns, great.  if not, my life will continue.  you seem to think any deviation from your position represents nut cupping.  it doesn't.

[WhiteCrow]

no sycophant here, and i'm glad you're so much further above it all than the rest of us.  i'm simply saying i don't see what's gained by spewing invective at art.  is the goal to keep him from opening a mic again?  if so, what's gained? 

art made some horrendous decisions recently.  i get it.  but it doesn't have to mean he's now dead to me.

if he returns, great.  if not, my life will continue.  you seem to think any deviation from your position represents nut cupping.  it doesn't.

And what is wrong with being a loyal Art Bell fan? I admire and enjoy his broadcasting skills.

Did you know that Larry King had like 8 wifes and Rush was addicted to drugs.. And like once when a kid, I stole a gum ball! The gum ball was yellow with blue speckles or maybe it was a jaw breaker. Remember standing in line and waiting for confession, should I lie to Preist and tell about gum ball and risk getting more Hail Marys?

Love Art...  Praise MV...  Adore Heather

[Gruntled]

Wanting to hear Art Bell on the air is NutHugging?
I must hug the nuts of my local weatherman cause I want to hear him too. :

[bellNwhistle]

I remember when I Married Airyn the heavy bet was it won't last six Months, anybody remember that one? This April 11th we will celebrate 10 Years.

Art

That's awesome. My husband and I met online 18 yrs ago, and my dad told me the night before the wedding that it was ok if it didn't work out.  We're still married. 

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

if he returns, great.  if not, my life will continue.

I'm at that point too, though I'll never put another dime toward anything he does again. I'm still disappointed that a major terrestrial radio move was torpedoed with one hasty announcement and, even if Art returns to Midnight on a regular or semi-regular basis, the show won't come close to the success it could have had. All of that excitement and build up to July, pissed away.

[Gruntled]

That's awesome. My husband and I met online 18 yrs ago, and my dad told me the night before the wedding that it was ok if it didn't work out.  We're still married. 

Nice BnW,
Forty eight years for my wife and me.
High school sweethearts- seven grandchildren.

[CornyCrow]

That's awesome. My husband and I met online 18 yrs ago, and my dad told me the night before the wedding that it was ok if it didn't work out.  We're still married. 

We've been married 15 yrs.  My mom told me if it did not work out, don't expect to come home to them.  I think she thought if a person had a fall back position they would not try hard enough to make it work. 

We've really had no problems.  I just waited long enough to realize that I should not marry someone like my father. 

[WhiteCrow]

I'm at that point too, though I'll never put another dime toward anything he does again. I'm still disappointed that a major terrestrial radio move was torpedoed with one hasty announcement and, even if Art returns to Midnight on a regular or semi-regular basis, the show won't come close to the success it could have had. All of that excitement and build up to July, pissed away.

Oh six week.. You are so fickled.. I'm sharping knifes and eyeing up wrist veins.  I live and die by Arts' every word and post...

.. Art will be back!   Sorry some of you poisoned your own Well.

[WhiteCrow]

That's awesome. My husband and I met online 18 yrs ago, and my dad told me the night before the wedding that it was ok if it didn't work out.  We're still married. 

Yeah well bellNwhistle, you keep making these sweet posts, and I may get some ideas.. Your dad may of been right after all.