Art Bell

[Q-Pi]

I think it’s hard to ignore the weird shit going on in American culture especially.  There are large and vocal subcultures supporting every idiotic conclusion imaginable these days.  / I’m just trying to figure out why.

Hubrids. (Obviously.)

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Thanks .  I think it’s hard to ignore the weird shit going on in American culture especially.  There are large and vocal subcultures supporting every idiotic conclusion imaginable these days.  And their growing numbers emboldens them to conclude that their idiotic beliefs aren’t actually idiotic.  The impact of all this is now even heavily influencing the presidential race.  The country is literally going crazy.  I’m just trying to figure out why. 

[Chronaut]

AKA

You're right; fuck it.  What mixes well with Chaga?  I'm guessing vodka.

[Element 115]

You're right; fuck it.  What mixes well with Chaga?  I'm guessing vodka.

lol Grey Goose, chaga, splash of cranberry, rocks, lime wedge.

[GravitySucks]

Yeah, I know...but Kool-Aidnaut hooked me...I know...my bad.

Let's continue...

Hehehe

[Q-Pi]

What mixes well with Chaga? 

Amanita

[Chronaut]

Something I've wondered about but never really wanted to bring up regarding all this, my understanding is the beginning of Art's problems with PremRat stem from him not feeling they supported him sufficiently during this incident.

If that is correct, what was it Art wanted them to do or thought they should have done?

It was my understanding that what really blew his relationship with the corporate assclowns was the visit from some bigshot to his house, after John Hall Oates publicly accused Art of pedophilia (because Art kicked him off the show when the asshole refused to comply with Art's request about keeping libelous allegations out of his live on-air presentations, ironically).  Art wanted the network to share the legal costs of the lawsuit, as I recall, and he was refused.

[Autistic Star Children]

 



I know I'm a beating a dead horse over people beating a dead horse over people beating a dead horse but...

[Dr. MD MD]

lol Grey Goose, chaga, splash of cranberry, rocks, lime wedge.

Sounds good but what does chaga do for me again? 

[Night Train]

I was bored so I untangled the hairball that you yucked onto the carpet.  You're welcome.

Here’s how a rational person reads your post:

"The ultimate conclusion [fact] is that AB isn't broadcasting. The reason I think is boredom with trotting out the same things with the same people from before the internet , tiredness (understandably) and tiredness in trying to resurrect a once great genre that is now flooded. [is irrelevant without supporting facts]

I believe he knew this before he restarted, but thought he'd feel different when he did restart. He doesn't need the money (we're told), but what he does need isn't there for him, namely the love of the gig. That isn't a criticism at all; he owes nothing to anyone, it would be like having a pop at Ronnie Barker when he called it a day performing and went instead into antiques. He knew his time had passed, but that wouldn't take away his brilliant past in TV. [beliefs are irrelevant]

How AB moved on though is the suspect thing [assertion lacking supporting evidence]. This is where the conclusions of his departure method differ; [not supporting evidence of the assertion] Those who accept unquestioningly what he's posted [another unsupported assertion - many here questioned, discussed, and were convinced by the actual facts at hand], had posted on his behalf [or on behalf of the facts of the situation, or both]. In the film Minority Report, the character played by Colin Farrell says the crime scene supposedly left by Tom Cruises character is too evidence heavy (or words to that effect). [irrelevant reference to a fictional film]

       The similarity in the case here is that there's lots of alleged evidence, but nothing of substance [subjective and unsupported conclusion]. Nothing [repeat of the same subjective and unsupported conclusion]. Not only that, but AB has seemingly (if what he says is true; but is it?) deliberately avoided making plans [read: took action by giving in to the demands of his stalker] to keep his family from harms way. Is that logical? [yes it is:  placing "family safety" before "hosting a talk show" is logical] His daughter is terrified curled up on the floor and he does what? Tells everyone! [he took action and then explained it to his fans:  cognitive dissonance factor = zero]
         Not up sticks and drive somewhere anonymous to put them out of harms way which is what normal adult human behaviour would be faced with small arms fire at night. ["normal human behavior" is an apparent oxymoron.  Regardless, having complied with the demands, a rational conclusion appears to be that his family's safety is restored.  Abandoning his home under the new conditions would probably be excessive at this point, though some concern remains.  But since he can be with his family and not on the air in a separate building, he can protect them in case of any untoward events.  Ergo, the facts support the story]
        Then the police statement about not pursuing the case because of lack of any evidence [SOP in cases like this - welcome to America]; and also factor in that AB doesn't want to have it investigated [filing multiple police reports demonstrates otherwise], the first step being would be to furnish the police with names of anyone who he thinks might wish to do him and his family harm [no evidence suggests that this hasn't happened]. A perfectly natural question the police would ask.

Why make it up though? Drama. [a ludicrous and unsupported assertion:  Art's choice of residence at the edge of civilization and his withdrawal from BellGab and FB proves that Art does not enjoy drama]  And a 100% unarguable reason to those who matter, namely the network and affiliates [a desire to retire is also an adequate reason and it happens every day]. Only I think that's backfired [unsupported claim built upon unsupported assertions]. The fall out from simply saying 'I've had enough, I'm taking my ball home' would be really bad [meaningless speculation]; but at least it would be honest [no evidence of dishonesty has ever been presented, so the implication of dishonesty is unsupported by any facts].


So Bob; in answer to your question, the [your personal and factually unsupported] conclusion is, do we accept the version verbatim or not [oops that's not a conclusion, it's a question]. And if not, might it because hardly any of it adds up? [nothing presented here "doesn't add up" except for your allegations, assertions and conclusions]  I'm used to puling things apart [the problem comes in putting things together, it seems], and problem solving stuff that breaks and doesn't work [yes your "problem solving stuff" is broken and doesn't work.  Note: the author may be a plumber]. Which means starting from a base line [bases are foundations, and foundations are based on facts...ergo, there is no foundation here] and going from there [this is how the Tower of Babel was built], and not assuming part M will work [good call, because your argument doesn't work], just because it did yesterday [it won't work tomorrow either, fyi]. In other words, work with what you have [nothing], not what you'd like to [some facts would be nice =) ].

I asked before but no-one could answer ir [unsupported conclusion: many may have simply chosen not to bother]; what if Noory had spun the same yarn because he decided he'd had enough? [hypothetical speculative scenario = irrelevant] I'm sure [you assume] he'd be knocked into next year because he would be universally disbelieved [by you and probably other people with your cognitive biases and dysfunctions, and possibly many others if the facts refuted his claims], because he's Noory, and because the story was likely made up [well then this analogy is misleading, because to date none of the stories Art has shared with the public have ever been known to be deceptive].

[Assessment:  the more rigorously that logic is applied to this situation, the more convincingly the facts speak to the truth of the story as presented.  Conversely, the more extensively that claims, allegations, and suspicions are mistaken for facts and evidence, the more convinced one becomes that the story as presented is fraudulent.

Conclusion:  The story as told is true, and the people who think otherwise are as stupid as they are stubborn.]

Do either one of your dads know you're playing on the computer?

[Element 115]

Sounds good but what does chaga do for me again? 

It's an antioxidant mushroom.

[BellBoy]

Sounds good but what does chaga do for me again? 

Chaga keeps the flies, that are buzzing around all these dead horses laying about, off of you.

[Dr. MD MD]

It's an antioxidant mushroom.

So, no hallucinations...at all?! 

[CornyCrow]

Why? Art is a celebrity. Because of the former, this is not at all unusual and actually to be expected, no?

I had no idea of all of that. 
I was perplexed and thought either there had been no stalker
or
Art wished to avoid police/detectives for some strange reason.

Who knows where the truth lies?  Art does seem to have more of this scandalous material surrounding him than do other talk show hosts, but then the subject matter may attract certain sorts of people. 

I really wish he would encourage police rather than discourage them.  I'd feel much better about him if he'd hire detectives.

[GravitySucks]

You're a lying piece of shit.  No one on here is accusing Art of killing Ramona, and I have never accused him of having sex with Heather Wade.

But go ahead and keep making shit up.  Beats the heck out of dealing with the fact that Art's story is obviously horseshit.

For someone on the ignore list you sure have protest like you are guilty. He wasn't replying to you or one of your posts. He was accurate in his post. He didn't say that the "newbie Night Train" said...

What an arrogant dickhead.

[Q-Pi]

So, no hallucinations...at all?! 

My coworker harvested his own last weekend and had it for breakfast today. Nothing spectacular to report.

[Chronaut]

Hubrids. (Obviously.)

You're right - all I have to do is get Dr. Jacobs to hypnotize people into blaming hubrids for the rise of national psychosis, and I'll have all the evidence I need to go on the air and tell people all about it.  A star is born!

That might not be so crazy...apparently facebook is running large-scale psychology experiments with the users of their website.  Do we have any evidence regarding a relationship with government programs?  I wonder, wonder...

lol Grey Goose, chaga, splash of cranberry, rocks, lime wedge.

I must be losing my mind - that actually sounds delicious =P

Amanita

Thanks, but I'm clean.  Vomiting while hallucinating just isn't as much fun as it used to be.

[Freyja]

Actually the horse is at full gallup.

Yeah....seems so...

[CornyCrow]

Thanks .  I think it’s hard to ignore the weird shit going on in American culture especially.  There are large and vocal subcultures supporting every idiotic conclusion imaginable these days.  And their growing numbers emboldens them to conclude that their idiotic beliefs aren’t actually idiotic.  The impact of all this is now even heavily influencing the presidential race.  The country is literally going crazy.  I’m just trying to figure out why.  The two leading theories are that either this is just what happens when a civilization is about to end, or the billions of dollars we’ve been pumping into covert counterintelligence programs has compromised the psyches of millions of people.  Probably some combination of both, I reckon.
I guess you missed the activity here last week.  Go have a look.  Hell, we’re still seeing people talking nonsense about the “Art Bell false flag operation” here.  It’s crazy talk, and lots of people buy into it.  I wish that was a fantasy.

There’s always that faction, sure, but lots of people actually think they’ve got “the inside scoop” on “the Art Bell fake stalker conspiracy.”  You couldn’t make this stuff up.  Well, not rational people anyway.

This is just wrong. 
The problem is there are big holes in Art's story, and instead of dealing with them when confronted, he quits, which makes him look guilty as hell. 

[AZZERAE]

A little far? Which of my speculations goes too far, and in what way?

My personality defects and sexual inadequacies are legion.  But they are neither here nor there.  People should evaluate my admittedly baseless and scurrilous accusations with no regard for my numerous profound personal failings.  (BTW, just curious - do marital aids really work?)

How so?  I think he's lying, and he's got some deep-seated psychological problems, but I haven't come close to accusing him of anything monstrous.

Calling Art ugly. That's pretty mean and shallow. There are many aspects of a person one can be attracted to. Not all are surface level. The mail order bride thing wasn't cool. It was over the top.

The mere fact that you refer to them as marital aids demonstrates immaturity. Marriage is normal.

You think Art is lying. Well, that's your perogative. I addressed your implications of what results in his allegedly being a monster with malachi.martini, read up if you wish.

[Dr. MD MD]

This is just wrong. 
The problem is there are big holes in Art's story, and instead of dealing with them when confronted, he quits, which makes him look guilty as hell.

See previous posts re: "that fucker owes you." 

[Element 115]

I must be losing my mind - that actually sounds delicious =P

It is, it rocks. You need to steep the chaga and use the chaga tea in the drink.

[Element 115]

See previous posts re: "that fucker owes you." 

[Chronaut]

This is just wrong. 
The problem is there are big holes in Art's story, and instead of dealing with them when confronted, he quits, which makes him look guilty as hell.

When an acquaintance tells you that she was raped but she didn't file a police report, do you assume that she made it all up because there are "big holes in her story," or does it occur to you that people don't always do what you think you'd do in their situation when they're under duress?

[Freyja]

I had no idea of all of that. 
I was perplexed and thought either there had been no stalker
or
Art wished to avoid police/detectives for some strange reason.

Who knows where the truth lies?  Art does seem to have more of this scandalous material surrounding him than do other talk show hosts, but then the subject matter may attract certain sorts of people. 

I really wish he would encourage police rather than discourage them.  I'd feel much better about him if he'd hire detectives.

Art is not a stupid man...he has carefully chosen what he did or did not do with intent IMHO and much with impulsivity....but he is a



...and sadly a manipulative one at that....and it's still working.... 

[Night Train]

The mere fact that you refer to them as marital aids demonstrates immaturity. Marriage is normal.

LOL

[Chronaut]

It is, it rocks. You need to steep the chaga and use the chaga tea in the drink.

Bwahaha!  Man - you've got it down to an art form!  That's it, - Stardust Ancestor I'm conscripting you to whip up a round of Arctic Chaga shooters for everyone; this one's on me folks =D

[Night Train]

Calling Art ugly. That's pretty mean and shallow.

Hey, I'm not gonna lie.  I hate George Noory as a broadcaster, but if it were me, George, and Art sharing a prison cell, I'd have to hook up with George.

Sorry.

[GravitySucks]

This is just wrong. 
The problem is there are big holes in Art's story, and instead of dealing with them when confronted, he quits, which makes him look guilty as hell. a quitter.

FIFY

[Dr. MD MD]

Hey, I'm not gonna lie.  I hate George Noory as a broadcaster, but if it were me, George, and Art sharing a prison cell, I'd have to hook up with George.

Sorry.

In this one regard ONLY you might be right. George seems like he might be more of a cuddler than Art