Art Bell

[transistorundermypillow]

Whether you are in the I hate Art camp / I love Art camp and/or the I hate Heather camp / I love Heather camp ... it was definitely good to hear Art on open lines the other week AND  the Ham Radio interview (a whole hour) -- link above and below -- also, it's free ... you don't have to be a time traveler or a subscriber to listen to Art!  Enjoy the interview and the second day of Spring!

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/1/2/7/1271e3d3cbf18087/Episode_085_Art_Bell_W6OBB_Final.mp3?c_id=11265280&expiration=1458519540&hwt=7e856fb049410b4f28f6fb88c2c50531[/size]

Thanks for the link Ms. C.  Will definitely listen today while I work.

[Lilith]

Never said you were. I was just pointing out that cute little dig you made at Heather, that's all. And that's what it was: a disingenuous, passive-aggressive little dig completely lacking in even the least bit of sincerity whatsoever, simple as that. Nothing more, nothing less. That's got nothing to do with some "job" you're supposed to perform. You think she's a piece of shit. Just say so, then, and stop being cute about it.

BTW, nobody's ever tried to "keep you out" of the HW thread, either; that was your neurosis. There's no fucking "Heather Police" suppressing dissent; you wanna post, then post. Or is this all about you not wanting to deal with people who actually, uh, disagree with you because it annoys you THAT much? You act like we're a bunch of rabid chimps ripping peoples' faces off. Let me guess: you think we're too mean to Donald Noory, right? Tough shit, he's got it coming. LOL. I don't know why you would want to identify with that faggot to the point of staying away, but that's your problem. Here's a hint: don't act like Donald Noory. There, problem solved. 

Sorry, I can't hear you.    Could you say that a little louder? 

[ItsOver]

Any idea how much the bumper music costs? Are they locked in for a certain amount of time? I thought they would have ditched it long ago.

Art was so insistent.  He HAD to have HIS bumper music.  Now we have his bumpers and no Art.  Heh.

[PB the Deplorable]

Whether you are in the I hate Art camp / I love Art camp and/or the I hate Heather camp / I love Heather camp ... it was definitely good to hear Art on open lines the other week...

Oh yes, because we don't hear enough about Donald Trump already.

Art returns after 3 months of stories that don't add up, 3 months of screwball posts and comments, does a show about Trump, disappears again, and his fans cheer it.   Lol

[Hollow Man]

I am sure we all admire your kindergarten way with irony, but what exactly did she say that you disagree with? At the moment she is the radio equivalent of a remora. Most of the people listening to her are 1) not sufficiently motivated to cancel their subscription, or 2) they are hoping that Art will eventually come back. Even the ones who try to say positive things about her come across as people who are damning with faint praise. If Art said "that's it, the show's over!" then we'd have a chance to see how she does by herself. Eventually you need to throw off the training wheels and stand on on your own, but there has been no sign that this is happening. Also, I am sure lots of people continue with their subs because it gives them access to Art's shows and they don't want to go through the hassle of downloading them (technophobe idiots, of course, but there are always some around).

Art seems to think that people should listen to her because she used to be a contributor to this forum, which makes no bloody sense at all. People only want a decent show, they don't want to be guilt-tripped into throwing someone a bone.

LOL.What do I disagree with? Everything. Fact is, if Art had just completely disowned the show, the show would have been dead, period. He also wanted to be able to return at some point. Yeah, Art started off saying he was done for good, but a few days later he came to his senses and changed his mind. That's even regardless as to whether you buy into the stalker or not. It was a bad business move, plain and simple. To whatever extent you believe the story, there are two basic reasons why he did it this way:

1. Art still wanted to keep some avenues open so that he could return at some point, regardless of the context or thinking behind that decision [depending on what you believe; that's a seperate issue].
2. Disassociating himself from the show entirely would have killed it. Like you said, alot of the people still subscribed to it do so because they hope Art will return; I agree. It was bad for business, thus he didn't [or, perhaps, rather, reversed having done so]. Not to mention the fact that I think Keith would have given up altogether and quit if he'd done this. Hell, even now Art hasn't totally left it. To do so would be the death knell, plain and simple.

Art seems to think that people should listen to her because she used to be a contributor to this forum, which makes no bloody sense at all. People only want a decent show, they don't want to be guilt-tripped into throwing someone a bone.

I think Art genuinely believes in her and strongly disagrees with anybody who doesn't. It's really that simple. He's also a stubborn son of a bitch who wants to stick it to alot of trolls he despises and who resents all of the nasty shit people on here have said about her, like calling her a whore, sex grunts, getting up into her wormhole, sticking a flaming sword up her twat, etc etc- shit that goes WAY above the sort of criticism alot of people around here. I think he also believed that letting Heather take the helm was actually a tribute to Bellgab, a sign of his deep respect of it and an act of good faith on his part. Afterall, who better than a devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does, and his producer to boot? Fuck, if that didn't backfire. Goddamn. LOL.

[Lilith]

LOL.What do I disagree with? Everything. Fact is, if Art had just completely disowned the show, the show would have been dead, period. He also wanted to be able to return at some point. Yeah, Art started off saying he was done for good, but a few days later he came to his senses and changed his mind. That's even regardless as to whether you buy into the stalker or not. It was a bad business move, plain and simple. To whatever extent you believe the story, there are two basic reasons why he did it this way:

1. Art still wanted to keep some avenues open so that he could return at some point, regardless of the context or thinking behind that decision [depending on what you believe; that's a seperate issue].
2. Disassociating himself from the show entirely would have killed it. Like you said, alot of the people still subscribed to it do so because they hope Art will return; I agree. It was bad for business, thus he didn't [or, perhaps, rather, reversed having done so]. Not to mention the fact that I think Keith would have given up altogether and quit if he'd done this. Hell, even now Art hasn't totally left it. To do so would be the death knell, plain and simple.

I think Art genuinely believes in her and strongly disagrees with anybody who doesn't. It's really that simple. He's also a stubborn son of a bitch who wants to stick it to alot of trolls he despises and who resents all of the nasty shit people on here have said about her, like calling her a whore, sex grunts, getting up into her wormhole, sticking a flaming sword up her twat, etc etc- shit that goes WAY above the sort of criticism alot of people around here. I think he also believed that letting Heather take the helm was actually a tribute to Bellgab, a sign of his deep respect of it and an act of good faith on his part. Afterall, who better than a devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does, and his producer to boot? Fuck, if that didn't backfire. Goddamn. LOL.

I'd have settled for someone who was good at hosting radio shows.  To heck with the "devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does" stuff. 

Your turn 

[Hollow Man]

I'd have settled for someone who was good at hosting radio shows.  To heck with the "devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does" stuff. 

Your turn 

Look, grandma, I'm just telling you [and Shredni] what I think Art's position is, alright? You guys wanted to know why he didn't just leave it entirely and hand her the keys to the castle? I just told you. Nothing more, nothing less. Not that hard to understand. 

[Lilith]

Look, grandma, I'm just telling you [and Shredni] what I think Art's position is, alright? You guys wanted to know why he didn't just leave it entirely and hand her the keys to the castle? I just told you. Nothing more, nothing less. Not that hard to understand. 

I appreciate that.  Honestly though, I wasn't asking why Art didn't just leave it entirely,  I was saying that in my opinion, he should have just left it entirely. I was saying, in my opinion, that indeed Heather should have started her own show if she wanted to have one, no subscription to archives required.  Maybe a donate button on her own website would be appropriate untill she gathers a huge following, if indeed such a following is to be had.  I'm sure Art would be welcomed by many show hosts, any time Art wanted to be on the air.

I'm glad you feel you can be honest with me though, it's bellgab, a place where you don't have to hold anything back.

Praise MV!

[Hollow Man]

Besides, like I said, he's a stubborn son of a bitch. You know this. The fact that he already seriously believes in her coupled with alot of the shit some people have said about her has basically made him very unreceptive, perhaps even vindictive in a way. It's always been there, I'm sure you've noticed it. Hell, just look at how he snatched Hoaxie away from Jorch, LOL. An obvious swipe at the fucker. That should tell you something right there. Maybe I get it because I'm kinda that way myself. Not the biggest nice guy kind of trait, maybe, but that's the way it is. 

[Value Of Pi]

If you take a break from MITD and listen to other paranormal podcast, then go back to listening to MITD you will realize Heather isn't 100 terrible. She is Decent  in my opinion. People don't like her because they compare her to art. No one can compare to Art. She probably should change the name to limit comparisons.

This is the line that Art keeps repeating, but it's only partially true. Inevitably, listeners will compare Heather with Art and undeniably she loses here in each and every way.

But then, there's a next step that many listeners take. They ask themselves whether she's worth listening to versus other paranormal shows and other radio shows in general. She loses there, too. And so, judging Heather solely based on a comparison to Art is not the problem. The problem, as Brig pretty much says, is that Heather doesn't have what it takes to do a good, successful radio show (and she's had months to prove herself).

IOW, don't blame the listeners for using their ears, using their brains and making a reasonable decision to listen elsewhere. The "nobody else is Art" argument is silly and completely disrespects listener's (including BellGabber's) ability to reasonably judge Heather's ability and talent level. We know what we like and we know what we don't like. Simple as that.

[Dr Who]

I like bumper music

[Lilith]

Besides, like I said, he's a stubborn son of a bitch. You know this. The fact that he already seriously believes in her coupled with alot of the shit some people have said about her has basically made him very unreceptive, perhaps even vindictive in a way. It's always been there, I'm sure you've noticed it. Hell, just look at how he snatched Hoaxie away from Jorch, LOL. An obvious swipe at the fucker. That should tell you something right there. Maybe I get it because I'm kinda that way myself. Not the biggest nice guy kind of trait, maybe, but that's the way it is. 

I don't think you are like Art at all, nor do I think you are a Hollow Man. I think you are trying to be an Honest Man, just as I am trying to be honest with you. 

[Hollow Man]

I appreciate that.  Honestly though, I wasn't asking why Art didn't just leave it entirely,  I was saying that in my opinion, he should have just left it entirely. I was saying, in my opinion, that indeed Heather should have started her own show if she wanted to have one, no subscription to archives required.  Maybe a donate button on her own website would be appropriate untill she gathers a huge following, if indeed such a following is to be had.  I'm sure Art would be welcomed by many show hosts, any time Art wanted to be on the air.

Well, yeah, but I was responding to Shredni too. It's something alot of others have asked, really. That's prettymuch what it comes down to, I'd say,

I'm glad you feel you can be honest with me though, it's bellgab, a place where you don't have to hold anything back.

Praise MV!

Well, you fucking got that right. LOL. No understatement there. But fair enough. Cheers. Sieg he.. I mean, praise MV. 

[Hautex]

Eh... I think MITD holds it's own when compared to other shows.  By MITD I mean MITD w heather.  I check in every day to see what guest is on.  If I feel like she's got a good one I listen.  Sometimes even if the guest sux and I'm totally not interested I may listen.  It's my nightly show.  Now during the day and while in transit I listen to the rest of my podcasts. 
MITD comes first for me not only because I like the show and I like heather and I like Art but also because it finds it's roots here.  It's a show that we helped make happen. 

Now, you ask any mother about her kids and she'll tell you.  "Lil billy may not have come up the way I wanted him... but i love him anyway."

Good points! I've begun to wander the podcasts more and every host has their own idiosyncrasies which not only makes them identifiable, but more interesting. But the point still exists that I am wandering through other podcasts, where I used to be pretty much glued to Art's shows. I still will not wander back to Coast though....

[PaulAtreides]

... it was definitely good to hear Art on open lines the other week................

No it wasn't.  Open lines suck.  Doesn't matter if it's Art, George, Heather or Richard......they all suck.  The only way you could make is suckier is to have big foot (or in Art's case, Donald Trump) open lines. 

[ziznak]

No it wasn't.  Open lines suck.  Doesn't matter if it's Art, George, Heather or Richard......they all suck.  The only way you could make is suckier is to have big foot (or in Art's case, Donald Trump) open lines. 

I'm not an open lines fan either.... I'll still listen from time to time but not normally.  I had hoped that open lines show w Art would have been a show with a guest in stead

[trostol]

No it wasn't.  Open lines suck.  Doesn't matter if it's Art, George, Heather or Richard......they all suck.  The only way you could make is suckier is to have big foot (or in Art's case, Donald Trump) open lines.

i like this statement!!!!

[ItsOver]

I must be a masochist.  I've wandered back to Nooron a few times since Art left.  Jorch is so unbeeleefably bad, at least I get a chuckle.

[Chocolate coated jackboot]

Art was so insistent.  He HAD to have HIS bumper music.  Now we have his bumpers and no Art.  Heh.

It makes the whole "I have nothing to do with the network" stuff hard to believe. It makes no business sense at all to keep it

[Dateline]

I'd have settled for someone who was good at hosting radio shows.  To heck with the "devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does" stuff. 

Your turn 

Brig, if I could give your post a Facebook like I would.  I agree.

[Uncle Duke]

It makes the whole "I have nothing to do with the network" stuff hard to believe. It makes no business sense at all.

It's a textbook example of the "authority without responsibility" scenario.  Art's name and voice, if only occasionally and on spots, are worth far more to Keith/DMDN than any financial involvement he might have.  Keith will do as Art wishes/says lest he walks out on DMDN all together (again, and for real), taking with him the Art Bell name and mystique.  How far would this third rate "network" have gotten without Art's brand?  How long do you think it would last without that brand now?  If Art tells Keith to jump, he will ask how high.

[The King of Kings]

So now Art is saying someone fired a gun at him, according to the linked Ham Radio podcast he appeared on?

He also said he would be back on to host the show once a week instead of five since at his age hosting the show five nights a week is too much.  This seemingly contradicts what Art said on the bellgab podcast from what I remember where he said he wants to be back full time and only the threat of the stalker is stopping him.

Also, Art started the show 9 months ago.  This isn't a great deal of time yet he is telling an interviewer that hosting the show is too much for him at his age.

This only reinforces the stalker was fictitious, and for whatever reason that Heather was always going to wind up hosting.

[ge30542]

I'd have settled for someone who was good at hosting radio shows.  To heck with the "devoted Bellgabber who loves the paranormal and what Art does" stuff. 

Your turn 

This is it exactly. Because Girl Noory once contributed to this forum does NOT qualify her to get my money.
The woman may have talent, but it is  NOT behind a microphone.

[Value Of Pi]

No it wasn't.  Open lines suck.  Doesn't matter if it's Art, George, Heather or Richard......they all suck.  The only way you could make is suckier is to have big foot (or in Art's case, Donald Trump) open lines.

Open lines could be fun back when Art had a big audience of mixed nuts calling in. Various kinds of wingnuts from JC to sleep-deprived truckers to random nutcases off their meds to people with great ghost stories or UFO experiences. Yes, the theme here is nutty. Authentically nutty, creatively nutty, unpredictably nutty.

Boring callers and a boring, annoying host add up to boring and more boring. Open lines was a good idea when it was a good idea.

[Wonderlust]

I guarantee there will never be a Heather Wade - Somewhere in Time

[Uncle Duke]

I guarantee there will never be a Heather Wade - Somewhere in Time

On DMDN?? I bet there will be.

[PB the Deplorable]

So now Art is saying someone fired a gun at him, according to the linked Ham Radio podcast he appeared on?

He also said he would be back on to host the show once a week instead of five since at his age hosting the show five nights a week is too much.  This seemingly contradicts what Art said on the bellgab podcast from what I remember where he said he wants to be back full time and only the threat of the stalker is stopping him.

Also, Art started the show 9 months ago.  This isn't a great deal of time yet he is telling an interviewer that hosting the show is too much for him at his age.

This only reinforces the stalker was fictitious, and for whatever reason that Heather was always going to wind up hosting.

It's clear to me that Art likes the idea of hosting a show full time, but shortly into it he remembers why he quits doing it in the first place.  He's done this twice in the past two years, first with Dark Matter and now Midnight.  Realizing his reputation is one of a 'serial quitter', a legacy he doesn't much care for, to his mind he needs to make up some story - in which he plays the hero of course - in order to not take heat from his listeners for quitting again.  The reasons get more dramatic, but less believable.  It would have been nice if after the recent fallout he'd learned to be more upfront about his plans, but it doesn't appear that he has.

He's apparently now planning to do what he should have done on his comeback two years ago - doing a show once or twice a week.  It took him a long time to figure this out, and the nonsense about a 'stalker' cost him a considerable amount of credibility.  The part about Heather is a sideshow, she's useful to him to keep the show going while he dithers, everything he does is about himself and his ego.

[ItsOver]

I guarantee there will never be a Heather Wade - Somewhere in Time

Has Heather ever revealed where she's broadcasting from.  Is it somewhere in California?
Art nailed the mysterious atmosphere with his Kingdom of Nye location.  With Heather, she could be broadcasting from her closet, for all the difference it would make.

[The King of Kings]

Has Heather ever revealed where she's broadcasting from.  Is it somewhere in California?
Art nailed the mysterious atmosphere with his Kingdom of Nye location.  With Heather, she could be broadcasting from her closet, for all the difference it would make.

I asked and was told she broadcasts from her home in Arizona.  Not sure if that was ever confirmed.

[ItsOver]

I asked and was told she broadcasts from her home in Arizona.  Not sure if that was ever confirmed.

Thanks.  Just wondering.