Art Bell

[Value Of Pi]

   It's all a part of the "what is an advertisement" worth mystique. Subscribers is not the only metric. A look around other known show numbers and it's clear that DMDN is not "tanking". Nor is Clark, Bill, Adam, or JCD & AC. DMDN is nearly beating them all, combined... on tunein. DMDN got off to a good start, and it will be fine if the "volatility" gets handled.

Of course it would do much better with a national time machine giveaway. The promotional push by Mr. Bell giving me his public mia culpa... setting my life back on a progressive trajectory... and bringing my real discoveries into the light of day... but I digress, and gave up on any such clear thinking, astute observation, or magnanimous behavior... by Mr. Bell.

Maybe not the only metric, but how about dollars coming in the door as the most vital metric? If you can't keep the lights on and pay your employees, no other metric is going to matter.

[Mr. Fidget]

Maybe not the only metric, but how about dollars coming in the door as the most vital metric? If you can't keep the lights on and pay your employees, no other metric is going to matter.

Let's meet back here in a year and see how it looks then. Art could likely bankroll the thing for a decade, if he wanted. In the "cloud" expenses are low, telecommute is the new normal. Bandwidth can be subsidized, and creative implementation rules the day.

I suggest the book "Free" by Chris Anderson:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free:_The_Future_of_a_Radical_Price

   There are many ways to make a going concern keep going. The startup was the challenge. Look at Leo. "Now I have 25 employees with upwards of 30 shows, four staff hosts, and others who host shows with me. We just moved into a $1.25-million, 10,000 square foot studio.” http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com//entrepreneur/fp-startups/leo-laporte-makes-a-bet-on-internet-broadcasting-with-twit-tv

....and that was years ago.

You're stuck with DMDN, get over it.

[Value Of Pi]

   Let's meet back here in a year and see how it looks then. Art could likely bankroll the thing for a decade, if he wanted. In the "cloud" expenses are low, telecommute is the new normal. Bandwidth can be subsidized, and creative implementation rules the day.

I suggest the book "Free" by Chris Anderson:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free:_The_Future_of_a_Radical_Price

   There are many ways to make a going concern keep going. The startup was the challenge. Look at Leo. "Now I have 25 employees with upwards of 30 shows, four staff hosts, and others who host shows with me. We just moved into a $1.25-million, 10,000 square foot studio.” http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com//entrepreneur/fp-startups/leo-laporte-makes-a-bet-on-internet-broadcasting-with-twit-tv

....and that was years ago.

You're stuck with DMDN, get over it.

If Art is bankrolling this, as you suggest, he is free to spend his money any way he likes. I don't have a stake one way or another, except as a fan of his radio shows who regrets seeing him go out this way. His trademark was quality radio and the new show is anything but that.

The fact that any enterprise can be kept on life support indefinitely if there is a willing backer is not a terribly comforting proposition. To me, good radio succeeds because it deserves to succeed. Podcasting and the Internet doesn't change that for me. I'm all for change and for technology as long as it doesn't involve a race to the bottom. Since you've prompted the thought, I don't mind saying it.

[Coffeeman]

That many followers for tiny network like DMDN is suspicious to me. Do you know you can also hire services to increase followers on Twitter, too? Maybe Keith found something similar for TuneIn.

[JesusJuice]

Have you ever considered that perhaps DMDN and MITD were set up to fail. Perhaps for tax purposes. A way to launder money?

Heather is a patsy.

[Value Of Pi]

Have you ever considered that perhaps DMDN and MITD were set up to fail. Perhaps for tax purposes. A way to launder money?

Heather is a patsy.

The "I'm just a patsy" intro to MITD with Heather Wade, with her sitting on the grassy knoll. That's something I would definitely tune in and listen to.

[onan]

If Art is bankrolling this, as you suggest, he is free to spend his money any way he likes. I don't have a stake one way or another, except as a fan of his radio shows who regrets seeing him go out this way. His trademark was quality radio and the new show is anything but that.

The fact that any enterprise can be kept on life support indefinitely if there is a willing backer is not a terribly comforting proposition. To me, good radio succeeds because it deserves to succeed. Podcasting and the Internet doesn't change that for me. I'm all for change and for technology as long as it doesn't involve a race to the bottom. Since you've prompted the thought, I don't mind saying it.

You're using an outdated paradigm. Podcasting can be extremely cheap to publish, compared to radio costs. And it has been a race to the bottom since the first ad on the internet.

[HumanBeing]

 

[Value Of Pi]

You're using an outdated paradigm. Podcasting can be extremely cheap to publish, compared to radio costs. And it has been a race to the bottom since the first ad on the internet.

Paradigm is one of those big words that, in actual usage, tends to be a very vague way of making a point. Yes, podcasting is a race to the bottom and as I indicated, I don't think that's a good thing (particularly in terms of finding and developing talent). The cheapness of the technology involved is besides the point.

Speaking of new paradigms, do you remember the revolutionary paradigm that took Wall Street by storm in the 1990s? All the old rules and the old metrics were dead. Suddenly, a company's market value wasn't based on its actual assets and real prospects for growth, it was based on having the next "big idea" which would change the world. It was all bullshit and many people fell for it.

In the end, it's all about what has tangible value. The rest is hype and bullshit. Broadcasting, on whatever medium, is no different.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Remember before MITD started, Art said: "Someone is going to get a huge slice of karma...". Turns out he wasn't talking about Noory or Premier, he was talking about his fans.

Good job Art. Thanks for the memories.....I am so hugely disappointed in you.

[HumanBeing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDWPvhiPWg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td9i6-oa4Kw

[fromwomewhere outthere]

One would think that it would cost more that five bucks a month to get butt fucked. Guess I was wrong.

[FightTheFuture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDWPvhiPWg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td9i6-oa4Kw

Oh the glory days of BIGTIME RASLIN`!

[Echo]

I posted these in the MITD thread, it's enough subscribers to keep going... for sure. All that need be done is not to crash, to stay on the road. And the fact is listeners can as easily be more than subscribers, given the "trending" method of channel discovery. I'm glad there is a DMDN, as an option. "Editors choice", 85k... that's a "going concern".

We'll see.

TuneIn subscribers don't mean jack. Just because people subscribe doesn't mean they listen every night. I follow DMDN on tunein. I don't listen to the show due to quality of guests and due to the host of MiTD. If MiTD made archives free, that still wouldn't get me to listen to it. When Art was hosting the show, i didn't tune in that often due to the guests. Art failed to bring on quality guests that we hear on Coast to Coast AM and other shows/podcasts.

The main reason i follow is to make it easier for me to tune in if something big happens on air. Like if someone posts "Heather is having a melt down etc".

[onan]

Paradigm is one of those big words that, in actual usage, tends to be a very vague way of making a point. Yes, podcasting is a race to the bottom and as I indicated, I don't think that's a good thing (particularly in terms of finding and developing talent). The cheapness of the technology involved is besides the point.

Speaking of new paradigms, do you remember the revolutionary paradigm that took Wall Street by storm in the 1990s? All the old rules and the old metrics were dead. Suddenly, a company's market value wasn't based on its actual assets and real prospects for growth, it was based on having the next "big idea" which would change the world. It was all bullshit and many people fell for it.

In the end, it's all about what has tangible value. The rest is hype and bullshit. Broadcasting, on whatever medium, is no different.

Paradigm isn't a vague term. It may be used incorrectly, at times, I can't say for sure.

I would wager that tangible, talent, and value can be as much bull shit as your other suggestions.

But for it all being bull shit, you certainly have waged a war.

[PB the Deplorable]

Didn't music royalties change/go up at the end of the year?  Heather said she's well paid.  Keith needs an income, and there are other employees. 

Not sure what any of those number are, but it almost has to be $15-20k per month minimum for just that.  2000 subscribers at $5 each is $10k..  There's really no way to know what the actual expenses and number of subscribers are..

[GravitySucks]

Paradigm isn't a vague term. It may be used incorrectly, at times, I can't say for sure.

I would wager that tangible, talent, and value can be as much bull shit as your other suggestions.

But for it all being bull shit, you certainly have waged a war.

You snowed in there?

[Value Of Pi]

TuneIn subscribers don't mean jack. Just because people subscribe doesn't mean they listen every night. I follow DMDN on tunein. I don't listen to the show due to quality of guests and due to the host of MiTD. If MiTD made archives free, that still wouldn't get me to listen to it. When Art was hosting the show, i didn't tune in that often due to the guests. Art failed to bring on quality guests that we hear on Coast to Coast AM and other shows/podcasts.

The main reason i follow is to make it easier for me to tune in if something big happens on air. Like if someone posts "Heather is having a melt down etc".

Or the "I'm just a patsy" confession. Have to thank JesusJuice for that one. It's just perfect.

[VictoriaPandora]

problem is really on my end..if its not live..i wont listen lol i'm strange that way..like i have all the night vale shows..only listened to like 5 of them lol

Yeah same here. I even got the Night Vale audiobook, but the last few chapters have remained untouched.

The ONLY live show I have left now is the No Agenda show which streams live Thursday and Sunday.

[VictoriaPandora]

I tried listening to Night Vale, but it didn't hold my interest.  Check out LORE podcast.  It's very well-produced and features creepy topics from an historical perspective.  I found it fascinating. 

Regarding the frequency of UFOs as a topic on MITD--if I never hear a show on UFOs again for the remainder of my life, that will be fine with me.  I'll tune in again if legitimate new contact is made, otherwise I'm done with the little gray guys, implants, anal probes, etc.

I'm going to check that out.
Another show I'm really loving right now is "Here be Monsters" the soundscapes give me happy ears and the subjects are bizarre and intelligent.

[boxman]

TuneIn subscribers don't mean jack. Just because people subscribe doesn't mean they listen every night. I follow DMDN on tunein. I don't listen to the show due to quality of guests and due to the host of MiTD. If MiTD made archives free, that still wouldn't get me to listen to it. When Art was hosting the show, i didn't tune in that often due to the guests. Art failed to bring on quality guests that we hear on Coast to Coast AM and other shows/podcasts.

The main reason i follow is to make it easier for me to tune in if something big happens on air. Like if someone posts "Heather is having a melt down etc".

And most people probably "subbed"/followed it when Art was still doing the show.

[Element 115]

That many followers for tiny network like DMDN is suspicious to me. Do you know you can also hire services to increase followers on Twitter, too? Maybe Keith found something similar for TuneIn.

Followers on TuneIn skyrocketed when Art returned to MiTD. People most likely just have not unfollowed the show on TuneIn with he hope that Art will return.

[Element 115]

TuneIn subscribers don't mean jack. Just because people subscribe doesn't mean they listen every night. I follow DMDN on tunein. I don't listen to the show due to quality of guests and due to the host of MiTD. If MiTD made archives free, that still wouldn't get me to listen to it. When Art was hosting the show, i didn't tune in that often due to the guests. Art failed to bring on quality guests that we hear on Coast to Coast AM and other shows/podcasts.

The main reason i follow is to make it easier for me to tune in if something big happens on air. Like if someone posts "Heather is having a melt down etc".

+1

I am in the exact same boat as to why I still follow on TuneIn.

[paladin1991]

Walter fucking Cronkite himself could've stepped into Art's show, played Art's music, and interviewed the same or similar guests and most people would call in tell Walter to climb back in his grave an stfu.

Zaaaactly.

[paladin1991]

Dude, there are so many shitty podcasts. I've spent an hour using iTunes looking for new shows that
1. Are good. 2. Have good production. 3. Release shows on a semi standard schedule.

It's fucking hard.

That should be the name of your podcast.  'It's Fucking Hard."   

[Mr. Fidget]

If Art is bankrolling this, as you suggest, he is free to spend his money any way he likes. I don't have a stake one way or another, except as a fan of his radio shows who regrets seeing him go out this way. His trademark was quality radio and the new show is anything but that.

The fact that any enterprise can be kept on life support indefinitely if there is a willing backer is not a terribly comforting proposition. To me, good radio succeeds because it deserves to succeed. Podcasting and the Internet doesn't change that for me. I'm all for change and for technology as long as it doesn't involve a race to the bottom. Since you've prompted the thought, I don't mind saying it.

Like I said, meet you here same time next year.
Read that book, if you do that... and don't see ten ways to turn the DRMN lemons into lemonade (not kool-aid) I'd question your reading comprehension.

See ya next year!

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Have you ever considered that perhaps DMDN and MITD were set up to fail. Perhaps for tax purposes. A way to launder money?

Heather is a patsy.

How do you launder money through a failing digital radio network? Plus since all the money is digital and legal for DMRN meaning it's traceable and the advertising money would have to be above board theoretically. There's no loose cash floating around so what is there to launder?

I'd have to think about it a little bit but the only way I could see a scheme like that is if they took out sizeable loans, hid the money and then declared bankruptcy when this thing goes tits up but that's so not worth the effort for the amount of money they'd be able to run off with.

I think along the same lines as you in that they can't possibly be this stupid. I've tried to figure out a crooked angle for them sinking their business so quickly but it's not coming to me.

[Value Of Pi]

Like I said, meet you here same time next year.
Read that book, if you do that... and don't see ten ways to turn the DRMN lemons into lemonade (not kool-aid) I'd question your reading comprehension.

See ya next year!

If this book is as good as you say, send it to Keith. Maybe he hasn't read it yet and it's his network to save. Your faith, or whatever it is, is impressive. You might want to invest some of your own money. Maybe he'll take it.

[Value Of Pi]

How do you launder money through a failing digital radio network? Plus since all the money is digital and legal for DMRN meaning it's traceable and the advertising money would have to be above board theoretically. There's no loose cash floating around so what is there to launder?

I'd have to think about it a little bit but the only way I could see a scheme like that is if they took out sizeable loans, hid the money and then declared bankruptcy when this thing goes tits up but that's so not worth the effort for the amount of money they'd be able to run off with.

I think along the same lines as you in that they can't possibly be this stupid. I've tried to figure out a crooked angle for them sinking their business so quickly but it's not coming to me.

Yeah, I agree (although I do really like the patsy part; somehow that works). But there is an opportunity at this point if they they could stage a successful "Save the Network" drive. Some believers, like Mr. Fidget, might contribute money. Or they could sell shares. But the Art Bell I know and love could never be a part of this. He's too honest and upfront.

[Mr. Fidget]

If this book is as good as you say, send it to Keith. Maybe he hasn't read it yet and it's his network to save. Your faith, or whatever it is, is impressive. You might want to invest some of your own money. Maybe he'll take it.

It can be downloaded for free. I found the book very informative, and well worth the time... in stark contrast to the content in this thread, lately. :
   It's on the back burner, 364 days to go for my speculation... time will tell. I don't have any "faith" about DMDN, I just don't see any reason why it "has to" fail. Money... ha, ha, ha!

If it does, so what... same if it doesn't.

See you (on this "topic") in 2017.