Art Bell

[Catsmile]

DMRN isn't TuneIn exclusive, they just also added that as an easy way to use existing android and apple player apps.
Keith also has several other alternative streams, you can play in a web browser there, as well as links for external PC players (.m3u playlist), Itunes playlist (.pls), and windows media player stream (.asx)
On the DMRN webpage right below the TuneIn banner, is 3 icons that are links to the alternative streams.

Those alternative stream formats are mostly for PC media players, but there are apparently some android (and perhaps apple as well?) media player apps that can support one of more of those alternative format playlist streams too.

Damn if I'm going to be bothered to learn anything about this stuff, or go to some webpage what a hassle. I'd much rather spend my time groaning in e-mails and forums about how I can't listen to streams.  PSSSH! Again sounds like work, man. <shivers>

[Morgus]

Thanks, I wasn't sure on the situation (and the technology aspect) when MITD comes on versus the current DMRN situation. I can't wait for the new show and there will always be bitching about things. I'm not bitching but just curious.

From what Keith has said, it doesn't appear anything will significantly change regarding DMRN now and MITD, MITD will just be a new show on the network and all will stream as he has it setup.
The only change in the near future may be adding the alternate aac+ stream, in addition to the current mp3 stream.
It appears that most players will default to the mp3 stream (most compatible) and players that allow you to select alternate streams (like TuneIn's android app) can also select and support the new aac+ stream if you want higher quality for the short bumper music periods of the show and you are using a good external audio system or earphones to hear the difference.

[phrodo]

I really really want that 32 AAC+ but a lot of computers will not do it, so I guess we we have to have a combo.

Art

Thanks for thinking of the less technical. Providing two streams sounds like a good idea to allow the technically challenged to enjoy your show as well as those who know their way around players and codecs.

But whatever you do ...

[Morgus]

Damn if I'm going to be bothered to learn anything about this stuff, or go to some webpage what a hassle. I'd much rather spend my time groaning in e-mails and forums about how I can't listen to streams.  PSSSH! Again sounds like work, man. <shivers>

Thats obviously why they are offering TuneIn app for the "masses" - makes things easier. 

[albrecht]

From what Keith has said, it doesn't appear anything will significantly change regarding DMRN now and MITD, MITD will just be a new show on the network and all will stream as he has it setup.
The only change in the near future may be adding the alternate aac+ stream, in addition to the current mp3 stream.
It appears that most players will default to the mp3 stream (most compatible) and players that allow you to select alternate streams (like TuneIn's android app) can also select and support the new aac+ stream if you want higher quality for the short bumper music periods of the show and you are using a good external audio system or earphones to hear the difference.

Sounds good. I was just curious. I didn't want a iHateMedia, Inc etc situation that we would be locked onto one App to listen or, worse, what happened to baseball, college sports, etc after "they" learned about the streaming radio apps and the confusion with local ads, rights, supposed lost revenue, etc related to the games, so they then signed deals with exclusive agents, apps, or channels.

I can't wait for the new show!

[Morgus]

Yeah VLC will stream most formats if you plug in the server address.
Even Windows Media Audio (.WMA) streams. 
Like this one: mms://67.202.144.92:81

I looked at the text in the DMRN playlist files and found this:
http://50.7.76.254:8303/stream

So you could plug in that IP address and port number manually to play in VLC and other players too if you want.
Putting that URL in a web browser may even play the stream in some browser's audio player too.

[albrecht]

I looked at the text in the DMRN playlist files and found this:
http://50.7.76.254:8303/stream

So you could plug in that IP address and port number manually to play in VLC and other players too if you want.
Putting that URL in a web browser may even play the stream in some browser's audio player too.

Thanks! Works in my browser with no issues. You must spend on your time in your lab and not drinking Hurricanes on Bourbon St or visiting various establishments there in NO. 

[sorefinger]

Humm... dunno I'm sure you will find something to grouse about "unique" to your situation, that you will want Art to accommodate.

Isn't that what you are doing now, grousing?  You're just a troll, always looking for someone new to bully.  It wouldn't occur to you to add something tangible to the conversation, something to further Art's new debut, not set it back.  Art is now going with 32k because that is where AM radio is headed -- to smartphones, a bandwidth- sensitive marketplace.  Going by a lot of the posts on this forum, it's obvious a lot of people have no idea how a smart phone even works, that there are battery issues, data caps, memory constraints, storage issues, the dreaded buffering, it goes on and on. Most of my posts are about the pitfalls of smartphones. If you had your way, you wouldn't want anyone else to know my posts, which, taken from a broader perspective, have potential to only add to MiTD's listening base. In other words, what is positive for MiTD, you only see as a negative.

[Catsmile]

Thanks, I wasn't sure on the situation (and the technology aspect) when MITD comes on versus the current DMRN situation. I can't wait for the new show and there will always be bitching about things. I'm not bitching but just curious.

Art will let us know how to get his stream before the show starts, he may not know where exactly to direct us at the moment himself. Most likely he will be streaming from IceCast: http://dir.xiph.org/

Itz cool that people are curious, thatz a good thing.
On the other hand if you were really curious, you would have been seeking out the answers; instead of waiting for someone to hand them to you. And with the intertubes, The Googles, and stuff answers are literally at your fingertips.

At first I didn't know shit about computers, networks, internet, streams, or how any of it worked. Everything I know about IT is from the intertubes, trial and error, never took a single class. The answers really are out there... if you seek them out.

Computers are complex powerful tools, as with any complex powerful tool you have to learn how to use them. If you want to push a button and it just works... well you are looking for an appliance, not a computer. Computers are not at that stage yet, nor will they be any time soon. Smartphones and tablets are as near to an appliance as you will find. I'm not impressed, even though what they are doing is amazing. The hardware is really weak. Thats why people replace them so often. Batteries are the biggest limiting factor at this point. 

[Catsmile]

Thats obviously why they are offering TuneIn app for the "masses" - makes things easier. 

I totally agree, thats how they make their bread and butter, making streaming "easy" for the common person. I just think it's funny that people then bitch about the convenience, yet do nothing to change the situation. When many alternatives exists, as you have so kindly pointed out. Who the hell knew that Google could do more than find me horse porn?  CRAZY I TELLZ YA! CRAZY!

[Catsmile]

I looked at the text in the DMRN playlist files and found this:
http://50.7.76.254:8303/stream

So you could plug in that IP address and port number manually to play in VLC and other players too if you want.
Putting that URL in a web browser may even play the stream in some browser's audio player too.

WOW MORGUS! ARE YOU A WIZARD?!
You mean to tell me that you can plug in the servers IP addy into players such as WinAmp, VLC, then bookmark/favorite them for later playback?! WOWZERS! <Mind Blown>

Come to think of it connecting directly to the streams IP address, instead of hoping a 3rd party has updated their DNS would eliminate almost all doubt if the stream was up or down... Hummm.    Your Computer-Fu is most powerful, Morgus.   

[sorefinger]

I'm not very tech savvy but one thing I have learned is to not update Apps. Or, don't update at least without seriously looking at what the update is and talking to people who already have updated it. Because usually it is something free or that works well that is going to more ads or costs or more "interfaces" that make it harder to operate. Of course, some apps might decide to die or not work if you don't but until that happens I don't update.
I can't wait for MITD!!!

I don't update apps either unless I have to. One thing: I save all my old apps, which are backed up using Super Backup. It's a neat app that dumps all the apk files into a separate folder, which I further backup to box.com (finding an old app on the internet can be challenging, if not impossible). Then, if you ever need an old backup copy of an app, they're all in one place.  My native Android backup app won't allow individual backups. It's either backup all apps or none at all. And when it comes to restore, it's all or none, again.  I think my cell phone manufacturer hired some of Microsoft's rejects. When it comes to TuneIn, I would rather go silent than update to the latest version.  My old app is painful enough.

[Danger!UFO]

The first nail in the FM coffin?


http://gizmodo.com/norway-will-be-the-first-country-to-turn-off-fm-radio-i-1698797593

[sorefinger]

I looked at the text in the DMRN playlist files and found this:
http://50.7.76.254:8303/stream

So you could plug in that IP address and port number manually to play in VLC and other players too if you want.
Putting that URL in a web browser may even play the stream in some browser's audio player too.

What you are saying is TuneIn-like apps are just stream URL managers, only their user interfaces and listening bases setting them apart.  Some are exclusive distributors of streams, but mostly these apps are merely databases of available streams.  I don't think Art would go with an exclusive distributor. He tried getting in bed that with Sirius radio, and we know where that went.

[Catsmile]

Isn't that what you are doing now, grousing?  You're just a troll, always looking for someone new to bully.  It wouldn't occur to you to add something tangible to the conversation, something to further Art's new debut, not set it back.  Art is now going with 32k because that is where AM radio is headed -- to smartphones, a bandwidth- sensitive marketplace.  Going by a lot of the posts on this forum, it's obvious a lot of people have no idea how a smart phone even works, that there are battery issues, data caps, memory constraints, storage issues, the dreaded buffering, it goes on and on. Most of my posts are about the pitfalls of smartphones. If you had your way, you wouldn't want anyone else to know my posts, which, taken from a broader perspective, have potential to only add to MiTD's listening base. In other words, what is positive for MiTD, you only see as a negative.

Dude, at this point in time I just want Art to get a reliable setup working, all the other "issues" can be addressed and tweaked later on. The more complex things are the more complex it is to solve any problems that may arise. But you would know that already, if you had ever actually taken the bull by the horns, instead sitting on the fence and watching someone else grabbing the bull by the horns. 

Yes I'm just a troll.
Bullying you. Poor little you. Who are you again? Just because you may not understand what I'm saying, or the style I use when saying it doesn't make me a bully, or troll. Art and his team seems to be on top of all the issues proposed here, and doing a find job addressing them given the limits of budget and technology.

The adults are talking nao. Go hug Arts nuts if it will make you feel better. <-- That is being viciously lovable, or mean. See the difference?

[Catsmile]

What you are saying is TuneIn-like apps are just stream URL managers, only their user interfaces and listening bases setting them apart.  Some are exclusive distributors of streams, but mostly these apps are merely databases of available streams.  I don't think Art would go with an exclusive distributor. He tried getting in bed that with Sirius radio, and we know where that went.

He saying he already knows what TuneIn is and does, and is 3 steps ahead of the curve.
Hes just being kind enough to share his hard earned knowledge with the group, that will listen and learn.

[twiki]

Things are getting very nasty in here. Vaguely lovable indeed. I just want to listen to Art Bell.

[cweb]

Yeah, seriously. It looks like the whole streaming format debate was resolved.

Anyone know if there's gonna be official MITD swag, like t-shirts or mugs or such? Might be another good way to support the show.

[twiki]

Yeah, seriously. It looks like the whole streaming format debate was resolved.

Anyone know if there's gonna be official MITD swag, like t-shirts or mugs or such? Might be another good way to support the show.

Dark Matter did so you would assume that there would be some type of merch to buy.

[WOTR]

Things are getting very nasty in here. Vaguely lovable indeed. I just want to listen to Art Bell.

There is both good and bad to light handed moderation.  On the upside, it encourages dialogue when people don't have to worry too much about what they say and who they offend.  On the downside, the occasional asshat rolls through.  Eventually boredom seems to work it's magic and things get back to normal... It's all just a part of the charm of this board.

[b_dubb]

And so it begins

http://gizmodo.com/norway-will-be-the-first-country-to-turn-off-fm-radio-i-1698797593

[nextgen.fm]

And so it begins

http://gizmodo.com/norway-will-be-the-first-country-to-turn-off-fm-radio-i-1698797593

spectrum squeeze?

thanks for the news

i found this

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting
DAB is more robust with regard to noise and multipath fading for mobile listening[citation needed] , since DAB reception quality first degrades rapidly when the signal strength falls below a critical threshold, whereas FM reception quality degrades slowly with the decreasing signal.

[laserjock]

I've reviewed some of your old posts, much critical of a lot of software.  You sure are up high on your horse, handing yourself free passes while chastising me for knocking Windows, telling me I should learn how to code, first.  Coding is easy for someone with talent. But how would you know?  You're not even a coder. This is how you described yourself: "I'm not an IT person, I'm a just a stupid photonics tech..."

I noticed that you didn't knock Art when he criticized windows. That's because you are just another troll, always looking for an opportunity to bully. Well, if you want to spar with me, you should take some kickboxing lessons, first.  Meantime, get a life and quit picking on me. Your posts here are not more important than mine.

Easy does it guy.  I have written SOME code.  All I did was make an opposing viewpoint, lighten up.

[wr250]

Easy does it guy.  I have written SOME code.  All I did was make an opposing viewpoint, lighten up Francis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs

fixed

[Catsmile]

Frequency Modulation (FM) may be going away in Norway, but it's not the death of radio.
Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) is a digital radio broadcasting format.

SEE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting#Technology
also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

Much like the death of analog over the air TV in the USA, to make way for digital over the air HDTV. I still receive all the same TV stations before the death of analog, plus half dozen more now. FREE! Using a metal magic wand they call an antenna. 

[laserjock]

All I am saying is that installing an operating system isn't THAT much of a PITA, yes, all the updating is a pain, but if you've never learned how code is written and seen its mechanics, how it works and how unfathomably hard it is to do, you wouldn't be so quick to get mad at MS or Apple or Linus Torvald.  And no matter how well operating systems or ANY code is written, there will always be bugs, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE in the current state of the art to not have bugs.  Hell, even microprocessors have erratum (transistor design errors).  I don't want anyone to accuse me of dick swining here, so spare me the comments, but here:  I used to work in Silicon Valley in the semiconductor industry and I have some exprerience with IC manufacturing and related digital and analogue sciences (everyone here has done something in some line of work, that was my line of work) and trust me, every time something new comes along to operate on a system, new bugs will appear, there is no such things as perfect code or perfect silicon, and getting bent out of shape about it not being so is a fool's errand.

Yeah, sure, of course I get frustrated when my system locks up or blue screens, but cars get flats, supper burns on the stove, roofs leak, wives cheat, life happens, part of rolling with the punches instead of getting bent about something nobody can do anything about is just silly and kinda dumb.

Now if merely updating an OS wears you out, don't ever try diagnosing hardware problems or building a box from loose parts after spending days or weeks researching to find the right and most compatible hardware, and installing all of it to only accidentally bend a CPU socket pin or fry a SMPS box...  Life is difficult, roll with it, guys, we've all had to hassle with computers here, it's not rocket science and OS installing is the easiest part, in fact, it's a hell of a lot easier than back in the DOS days.  I remember having Windows 3.1 bork once a freaking week and having to reinstall it with regularity, long before "plug and pray" (play) technology.

No one needs to get bent about this, all I am saying is be serene, and just be patient, and remember, if you think that updating an OS for a couple hours is a pain, try fixing 20 computers all at the same time for minimum wage (been there, done that).  It's really hard training the brain to keep track of steps in 20 systems at once.

Life is hard, roll with it, grow some stones, your wife will respect you more if you do, and you'll feel more in command.  If anyone here ever wants help, there are others here that can offer that help, I surely will try, myself.  I'm not an expert, I just like Holiday Express...

[laserjock]

Frequency Modulation (FM) may be going away in Norway, but it's not the death of radio.
Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) is a digital radio broadcasting format.

SEE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting#Technology
also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

Much like the death of analog over the air TV in the USA, to make way for digital over the air HDTV. I still receive all the same TV stations before the death of analog, plus half dozen more now. FREE! Using a metal magic wand they call an antenna. 

Digital Radio Broadcasting question: (how is the signal modulated? by frequency or amplitude (I would think frequency considering how digital logic works, much like how modern CPU fans work)?)  BIL is about to get his HAM license and we've been talking a lot about radio of late, he's teaching me stuff, like how antennas are designed, it's part black magic!

[albrecht]

Frequency Modulation (FM) may be going away in Norway, but it's not the death of radio.
Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) is a digital radio broadcasting format.

SEE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting#Technology
also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

Much like the death of analog over the air TV in the USA, to make way for digital over the air HDTV. I still receive all the same TV stations before the death of analog, plus half dozen more now. FREE! Using a metal magic wand they call an antenna. 

Having been to Norway several times I would say the comparison to the US is far, far, far different for radio (and other stuff.) I'm guessing without many more, and in tunnels, transmitters even this awesome HD radio will have problems in small towns, all the tunnels, the ferries, etc because of the topology. Maybe if broadcast from some satellites but even there there is topography problems I would think (tunnels or inside a ferry esp.) Sort of surprised mine doesn't cut out even under bridges (it will in traffic, so I guess buffers so not "live") In the "big cities" probably awesome. But we are talking about a country with a total population size of many of our cities and with a lot of mountains, tunnels, etc. Thinking back I don't recall listening to radio there, actually so can't tell you. I know elsewhere even the older car radios elsewhere had cool digital "somethings" that would tell you traffic accidents, weather alerts, etc on the autobahn and in Holland. It would break through whatever you were listening and alert you (similar to what happens on tv here but seamlessly and were regionally based but not based from station alert. 'Accident on the A2' etc message would be on whatever station you were listening too if you were near that highway.)

You also have the issues, for audiophiles, about the compression rate, the usual digital versus analog sound pitch stuff, etc. Who knows? Personally, I'm all for it but still like the old SW and SSB and CB(!) and AMFM and don't mind having to "tune in" for things. Actually it makes a show like the old Art Bell C2C and DL (and the new show) sound even creepier! But I agree go with the future and there are/will-be apps for listening to that stuff.

The paranoid side of me also wonders about the digital and centralized nature of some of this new digital delivery stuff (both "radio" and "tv" with the easier ability of disruption, monitoring, data-mining, broadcasting propaganda on-demand, kill switches, etc. There is a reason why spies, special ops, etc sometimes, even to this recent day, receive (and broadcast) on SW etc (via number stations and burst transmissions.)

[sorefinger]

Easy does it guy.  I have written SOME code.  All I did was make an opposing viewpoint, lighten up.

You jab at people.  They knock you on your ass.   Then you say, easy does it.

Have you ever thought about how you can stay on your feet by just not taking jabs at people?

Obviously not.

[sorefinger]

The paranoid side of me also wonders about the digital and centralized nature of some of this new digital delivery stuff (both "radio" and "tv" with the easier ability of disruption, monitoring, data-mining, broadcasting propaganda on-demand, kill switches, etc. There is a reason why spies, special ops, etc sometimes, even to this recent day, receive (and broadcast) on SW etc (via number stations and burst transmissions.)

In Arizona vandals cut a fiber optic cable.  Much of northern Arizona went internet dead.