Started by TaoOfLuxLisbon, June 21, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: General Johnson Jameson on October 04, 2011, 06:03:07 PMI haven't paid attention to this thread until yesterday. Although the title is bad, it doesn't prepare one for what is inside. I read the last two pages last night and had no idea this story included Toombs! As though it weren't creepy enough. This was special: "I think she's destined for porn. She did the bikini shoot to put to rest rumors about her breasts being fake! Mmmmkay so in order to disspell rumors her body is not real, she dons a fake tan, fake abs sprayed on even darker than her fake tan & fake boobs."The part that gets it for me is not only are both of the bride's parents cool with the arrangement, but the Mother is also the married couple's manager?How awesome is that Toombs? Do ya feel 51 now? This whole thing wreaks of greed and lust to me. But I will refrain from negatively judging as best I can. On that note..Let's hope she doesn't get pregnant..
Quote from: Morgus on October 04, 2011, 08:09:44 PMi noticed several TV stations were playing the movie "The Green Mile" featuring Doug Hutchinson as Percy last weekend.Merely a coincidence?
Quote from: b_dubb on October 04, 2011, 08:22:53 PMfirst in line at the abortion clinic. probably has a pile of empty prescription bottles for the 'morning after pill' next to her bed
Quote from: Frys Girl on October 04, 2011, 06:08:51 PMWe keep insisting that she's dumb and brainwashed, and these are both probably true, but she's "smart" in the sense that she understands market forces. If she says "my boobs aren't fake," she knows that 1. they are 2. we won't believe her but 3. we will look anyway. I don't know who is worse then! We ?? She? The parents? MTV? X-Files? My lord Chris Carter really made a monster.
Quote from: Flaxen Hegemony on October 07, 2011, 09:18:31 PMI can and have joined in the mockery and poking fun at this girl. It is funny, and I don't want to put a damper on the thread. But there's a lonely sadness to the whole thing. If a story comes out in ten years entitled "What ever happened to Courtney Stodden?", I'm not sure I'd want to read it.
Quote from: Treading Water on October 08, 2011, 09:19:38 AMToo, too true. If she IS only 16 and has been subjected to the jeers and taunts of her peers and the obvious manipulations of her stage-mother, maybe deep down there's just a little girl who wants to have a tea party or be invited to a real birthday party. I can't imagine a life where my appearance would be the sole total of who I am. I'll skip that whatever happened story, too.
Quote from: JJNDCA on October 08, 2011, 09:45:21 AMWhat? No 16 year in their right mind would want to "act like a little girl again". Sorry, times have changed. 16 year olds don't want to appear younger or have "tea parties". They WANT the adult experience. If you haven't read the news, teenagers are having sex, smoking and drinking younger and younger. Hell, girls are getting their first periods younger and younger. I know a girl who had her first one at 10. TEN. WTF. And you're asking these girls NOT to grow up, when they have to deal with grown up issues? No, it's either allow your kids to grow up, or keep them as "children" their entire teenage existence and have them explode as soon as they hit adult-hood. I've seen hundreds of examples of "sheltered" kids losing it as soon as they get some freedom from mom and dad.
Quote from: Avi on October 09, 2011, 03:35:34 PMIt may be that 16 year olds WANT the adult experience, but they are still, mentally and physically, children. Age of menarche is immaterial. Their mentalities are adolescent; their capacity for adult reasoning is limited. My intention, in â€œshelteringâ€ my children, is not to keep them as children all their lives, but to guide them to adulthood and to responsibility. They havenâ€™t had an explosion yet. I think my kids are very grounded.Reading your other posts, it seems that you are greatly concerned about the suppression of sexuality. I really donâ€™t see that happening at all. Instead, I see a packaged sexuality that is thrown into our faces 24/7, if we so choose. Not only that, this sexuality is a lie. Gender roles are rigidly enforced (even in gay sexuality, i.e., butch and femme or top and bottom) and what is â€œhotâ€ is reduced to a boring laundry list of required items (those that Courtney Stodden is attempting to embody). No, I donâ€™t want my children forced into this kind of sexuality, but I must contend with the fact that it is all theyâ€™re ever shown in pop culture. I do not want my children to experience sex as a â€œhook-up (like dogs?),â€ and I expect them to be responsible and solicitous. We donâ€™t pretend that sexuality is meaningless or a self-centered expression, just getting off. Some may see this as suppressive (pace Tom), but self-control is a vital component of sexuality, one that my children will learn.You may be worried that girls just arenâ€™t getting the opportunity to express themselves sexually, or that repression is dangerous and leads to explosions, but Iâ€™m more concerned that girls are far less likely to get anything out of sex because of the dysfunctional way that male sexuality is shaped. Women are not toys or playthings, eye candy, or bitches and hos. They are fully-realized human beings. I teach students in the 18-25 age range, and their attitudes, pretend or not, are dismal and disgusting, polluted by the phony tropes of pornography. How do I explain to my 11, 15 and 17 year old daughters the idea behind â€œBros before Hos?â€ It breaks my heart. It makes me sick. I have to tell them that the overwhelming, dominant Bro culture thinks females are disposable trash. And itâ€™s not just the young. Many of my male colleagues â€œdateâ€ students and discuss them in pornographic detail; yes, itâ€™s true that these young girls fantasize about being an adult and about being in an adult relationship, but there is a power differential here. I donâ€™t get off on that kind of power, and I donâ€™t want my daughters to be victimized by it. Yeah, so I am the only man in my daughterâ€™s lives. We talk honestly about the sexual culture, and the creation of false sexual identities, but I am their father, not their pimp.Morality goes hand-in-hand with sexuality. Objectifying and raping women is wrong, period. My religion teaches me that my partnerâ€™s pleasure comes first, always, and that she may divorce me if I do not satisfy her. It teaches me that I may not shame my wife by throwing my attraction to other women in her face. When I am with her, my attention is 100% on her. This is respect. My sexual attention is not superficial or meaningless. So, should I teach my daughters to expect less? To be subservient and to be objectified and not to expect pleasure themselves? That sex is merely a few seconds of pleasurable contractions, nothing more? That there is no value to relationships, and men canâ€™t be expected to be decent? Just shoot me.
Quote from: Avi on October 09, 2011, 08:29:19 PMI don't say this in anger, but there is something wrong with a man in his fifties marrying a 16 year old and there is something wrong, hateful even, with a teenager being turned out like a prostitute for sale to the highest bidder. Personally, the problem is not that my daughters need to break free of my parental supervision to plot assignations with old men; they need to break free from a societally defined sexual identity, especially the identity that is being determined for them by our culture: your value as a female resides solely in your looks, you should compete with other women to be a servant to men, and sex is meaningless. I love my daughters; I don't want them to accept this for themselves.
Quote from: Agent : Orange on October 10, 2011, 05:22:26 AMAvi, you need to rant more often. Great set of posts.
Quote from: Avi on October 10, 2011, 03:20:44 PMThanks for the kind words. I have to limit my ranting because it takes away from my cool, hipster persona (don't be laughing, yo!) and makes me look like a crazy reactionary.
Quote from: b_dubb on October 10, 2011, 06:45:19 AMaldous huxley's brave new world. brought to you by pharma
Quote from: Lovely Bones on October 11, 2011, 07:55:48 AMDon't worry, Avi. No matter what accolades you receive here for your rants, your kids will still think you're a crazy reactionary. At least until they're about 30.
Quote from: Flaxen Hegemony on October 11, 2011, 06:03:58 PMI think the body hair thing cuts both ways, and may be less a cultural desire for girls to look like children than it is an overall "eww, hair!" mentality in our culture right now. Some women in their early 20's prefer their men to be "sans hair down there" as well. I think it is part of the whole "metrosexual" phenomenon that seems to be on the wane (thank the stars above). The Brazilian too, is just a wax that women get before they want to wear a really skimpy bikini, so things don't look odd. I never thought there were any pre-pubescent connotations to it. And while I agree that women should not be taught that their value in life depends on them being a size 0, don't forget about all the folks that look like that without an eating disorder or a drug addiction, and are perfectly happy and healthy!
Quote from: Morgus on October 15, 2011, 02:14:21 AMBut according to Facebook, it was all just a coincidental error! "We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused," a rep for the site told E!. "This page was removed in error and has been restored."