Things That Annoy You

[Eddie Coyle]

That was one sick movie, but I managed to see it before it went away forever. It wasn't any worse in terms of violence than the other serial killer films of 80's, and I'm looking at you, Frank Sinatra, in The First Deadly Sin. The burying was all the result of PR.  It's best viewed with the Gwyneth Paltrow/Huey Lewis duo 'Cruisin' for a more surreal experience.

      That Paltrow/Lewis movie was terrifying, and much gayer.

       Cruising was already being trashed before it was released. Gay pressure groups already hating Friedkin for "The Boys in the Band" a decade prior. And Cruising was based on the crimes of Paul Bateson, not some lurid creation by a homophobic screenwriter. It was the homosexual version of "Looking For Mr Goodbar" to a degree. An uncomfortable true story of mid 70's NYC.

[UnscreenedCaller]

      That Paltrow/Lewis movie was terrifying, and much gayer.

       Cruising was already being trashed before it was released. Gay pressure groups already hating Friedkin for "The Boys in the Band" a decade prior. And Cruising was based on the crimes of Paul Bateson, not some lurid creation by a homophobic screenwriter. It was the homosexual version of "Looking For Mr Goodbar" to a degree. An uncomfortable true story of mid 70's NYC.

Pretty much the same thing happened with "Mercy' except that it had a lesbian serial killer, and there was pressure to not show that, too. Maybe back then when civil rights was in its infancy, I could see why someone would object to 'Cruising', but it was more of a campy experience watching Pacino chew up the scenery as a leatherman than anything else. And, as you say, it is based on a true story and there were then and are still loads of leather bars downtown so the over the top response is purely PR. 'Mr. Goodbar' hit a hell of a lot closer to home.

I won't even hit the youtube button for Paltrow/Lewis. It makes me glad that particular gem never gets played.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

   
     The auditions for that film. "Ok, congrats, you'll be the extra with the greased fist"

That would be preferable to being the extra who had to take the greased fist ("What? And quit show business?").  Maybe that's how Goatse got his start.

And then you have SCTV's "The Cruisin' Gourmet."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmLfpoj5e84

"What's your preference?  Beaks or cheeks?"

[Eddie Coyle]

Pretty much the same thing happened with "Mercy' except that it had a lesbian serial killer, and there was pressure to not show that, too. Maybe back then when civil rights was in its infancy, I could see why someone would object to 'Cruising', but it was more of a campy experience watching Pacino chew up the scenery as a leatherman than anything else. And, as you say, it is based on a true story and there were then and are still loads of leather bars downtown so the over the top response is purely PR. 'Mr. Goodbar' hit a hell of a lot closer to home.

       A lot of the objection to Cruising was that it was fact-based and the bars in that film were not fictive. Admitting that a seedy subculture existed, no matter how small, was anathema to the lobbyists. If you ever read "The Band Played On", this was the circle the wagons response to the GRID/AIDS outbreak in San Fran of 1981-82. The bathhouses were a real problem, but the activists didn't to concede to the 'straight world", and the bathhouses stayed open, and the crisis grew. Easier to blame the gov't than look in a mirror.

[zeebo]

       A lot of the objection to Cruising was that ...

My issue was I thought it was gonna be the movie version of The Love Boat.

[Eddie Coyle]

My issue was I thought it was gonna be the movie version of The Love Boat.

     Don't give up on that dream. I think all of the primary cast is still with us.

     It just hit me that they are more living Dick Van Dyke Show original cast members living, than original Ramones.

[albrecht]

       A lot of the objection to Cruising was that it was fact-based and the bars in that film were not fictive. Admitting that a seedy subculture existed, no matter how small, was anathema to the lobbyists. If you ever read "The Band Played On", this was the circle the wagons response to the GRID/AIDS outbreak in San Fran of 1981-82. The bathhouses were a real problem, but the activists didn't to concede to the 'straight world", and the bathhouses stayed open, and the crisis grew. Easier to blame the gov't than look in a mirror.

I guess the "gay mafia" one hears being bandied about is, sorta, true. Speaking of which (should be moved to movie thread I guess) the mafia owned most of the homosexual bars at the time in NYC where Cruising was filmed. Also this odd,creepy bit:

"In 1972, director William Friedkin - huge after The French Connection (1971) - is shooting his spiritual/psych-horror The Exorcist (1973) in downtown New York. For a scene requiring mock brain-scans of the possessed lead character, Friedkin films a real-life radiologist and his assistant, Paul Bateson. Flash ahead to 1979. Friedkin is planning an adap of Gerald Walker's novel 'Cruising', inspired by a real-life serial killer carving up leather boys in the city's underground gay-bars and dumping their body parts in the Hudson River, wrapped in black plastic bags. When he learns that his Exorcist radiologist assistant Bateson is currently awaiting trial for the post-coital slaying of gay film critic Addison Verrill, Friedkin decides to pay him a visit to do a little research into the psyche of his cruising killer. Bateson is later imprisoned for life - for the Verrill murder - but not before dropping hints while in custody that he was also the body bag killer. The latter cases remain unsolved, but there's every chance that Friedkin had not only inadvertently consulted the actual killer at the heart of Cruising while planning the film, but had also cast him in a film he made years before it. "

[Yorkshire pud]

     Don't give up on that dream. I think all of the primary cast is still with us.

     It just hit me that they are more living Dick Van Dyke Show original cast members living, than original Ramones.

It didn't improve his Cockney accent though.

[UnscreenedCaller]

       A lot of the objection to Cruising was that it was fact-based and the bars in that film were not fictive. Admitting that a seedy subculture existed, no matter how small, was anathema to the lobbyists. If you ever read "The Band Played On", this was the circle the wagons response to the GRID/AIDS outbreak in San Fran of 1981-82. The bathhouses were a real problem, but the activists didn't to concede to the 'straight world", and the bathhouses stayed open, and the crisis grew. Easier to blame the gov't than look in a mirror.

Those bathhouses should have been closed immediately as a public health hazard. It's still a scandal they weren't. Part of it was resistance to any outside interference in the culture and part of it was the conviction that 'it won't happen to me'. There are a lot of dead 'me's as a result. Great book, btw. It's as relevant now as it was then.

[UnscreenedCaller]

It didn't improve his Cockney accent though.

Oi guv'nor! Ya mean 'e wasn't convincin'? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Oi guv'nor! Ya mean 'e wasn't convincin'? 

I'm sure they all had a giggle on set; but it's painful.

[McPhallus]

One-sided relationships.
Where it is all take and no give.
(Of course, I guess it depends which side of the give/take you're on.)

...and when the person on the losing end is unaware of the dynamic, then one day they have that awful epiphany.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

It didn't improve his Cockney accent though.

Yeah, but it's better than Pirini Scleroso's.


http://youtu.be/NMVTbWencYo

[jazmunda]

      The term "man cave".

      It sounds like one of the places Al Pacino was trying to catch the killer in "Cruising".

I wish my wife allowed me to have a man cave. All I currently have is a pussy whipped corner.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I wish my wife allowed me to have a man cave. All I currently have is a pussy whipped corner.

If you're looking for sympathy, you are in the wrong place.

[jazmunda]

If you're looking for sympathy, you are in the wrong place.

Sadly, that's what she said.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Sadly, that's what she said.

I'd suggest growing a pair, but experience has taught me that it almost always makes things worse in myriad ways that just aren't worth it.  Sure, you might get your man cave, but don't be surprised if it turns out to be six square feet in your corner of the squalid motel room with kitchenette you share with three guys you met at the blood plasma donation center last week.

[WildCard]

I'd suggest growing a pair, but experience has taught me that it almost always makes things worse in myriad ways that just aren't worth it.  Sure, you might get your man cave, but don't be surprised if it turns out to be six square feet in your corner of the squalid motel room with kitchenette you share with three guys you met at the blood plasma donation center last week.

Note to self: cover camera with a piece of tape

Those bathhouses should have been closed immediately as a public health hazard. It's still a scandal they weren't. Part of it was resistance to any outside interference in the culture and part of it was the conviction that 'it won't happen to me'. There are a lot of dead 'me's as a result. Great book, btw. It's as relevant now as it was then.

It'd have to be better than the movie. I'm sure I saw that but it left no impression.

Unlike albrecht's quote. That creeped me out. Thanks for that. Sweet dreams to you, too.

That bathhouse bateman recommended to jaz sure sounded familiar. Are they at again? Men are pigs.

[PB the Deplorable]

      The term "man cave"...

How about 'fap zone'?

[coaster]

Jaz's man cave... I can't even imagine.

[jazmunda]

Jaz's man cave... I can't even imagine.

Wait .... Is "man cave" a euphemism?

[Eddie Coyle]

Wait .... Is "man cave" a euphemism?

     FINALLY!

        I started this "man cave" thing 12 hours ago with the sole intent of getting bum hole pics from you. You tease, I've been waiting all day!

[Treading Water]

I wish my wife allowed me to have a man cave. All I currently have is a pussy whipped corner.

jaz, jaz....You have your very own corner and you're complaining??

My thoughts to the wife.  Give a man a corner, and he wants a man cave.     

[onan]

I too have a corner. It is outside, the far side of the garage.

[wr250]

I too have a corner. It is outside, the far side of the garage.

i have my own lil house. but i have to share with the dog.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Now matter how hard I try, there just isn't enough time in the day to keep up with the Kardashians.   

[Yorkshire pud]

Now matter how hard I try, there just isn't enough time in the day to keep up with the Kardashians.   

It's one of the reasons your entry exam results for MIT were shocking. Distractions. You were told too! We all told you. 

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

It's one of the reasons your entry exam results for MIT were shocking. Distractions. You were told too! We all told you.

Schadenfreude does not become you.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

They mostly are just pretty faces with zero knowledge of what they are talking about. Lots of cocaine and drinking problems also. Read what the teleprompter says (most often "news" is a corporate or government press release) and look nice on television.

Media Brainwashing - News simply repeats the same taglines & phrases OVER and OVER (made by an "infowarrior" but pretty good though conclusions might be wrong. Maybe they are just friggin stupid and lazy and it is not a conspiracy. But, then again.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7sWtUu1Fc#t=20 (Conan O'Brien)

Geesh.  Pretty soon they'll be one central computer writing all the World's news, and everyone will read from that script.  No editing, no human oversight.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

It's one of the reasons your entry exam results for MIT were shocking. Distractions. You were told too! We all told you.

And why on earth would the entrance requirements for the Midlands Institute of Trainspotting be so stringent in the first place?  All they teach you is how to make notations in a little notebook, and I really don't give a rat's cornhole about those spotty trains and the anal compulsive types who actually care whether they run on time.  Those people should be put in the workhouses so they can make some positive contributions to society.