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Quote from: Yorkshire pud on March 25, 2013, 02:28:13 AM

Re: Falco, Amadeus
I remember this local dj would always play that Rock Me Amadeus song together with that Hazy Fantasy song.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on March 25, 2013, 02:50:04 AM
I remember this local dj would always play that Rock Me Amadeus song together with that Hazy Fantasy song.


My girlfriend at the time (86) spoke fluent German and used to sing along to it; she had such a sexy German accent and when we went there for a holiday the locals thought she was native.

Quote from: onan on March 23, 2013, 09:25:22 AM

What makes this better than Heart's version? I think it is well done, I am just not sure what the point is. I go through a lot of my life like that. Also, I posted in another thread, I am curious about your handle. Anyhoo just askin.

industrial to a simple heartbeat in a lovers breath, music takes me far beyond any expressed secret of esotericism. i have never heard Bach play music, but i have heard someone play Bach. when i post a "cover" tune i always take something from it.
as for the cover of the Heart tune, it was the energy of the singer. the power that she put behind it. she didn't just sing it, she made it something worth the listening. i only wished to share it knowing i may never know if others felt/see the same.
i post music for other reasons, but that is the reason for the one you asked about in your post.

the name? it is a very un-Buddhist division in such a deliberate expression of separate self.

thanks for askin.   8)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on March 26, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
industrial to a simple heartbeat in a lovers breath, music takes me far beyond any expressed secret of esotericism. i have never heard Bach play music, but i have heard someone play Bach. when i post a "cover" tune i always take something from it.
as for the cover of the Heart tune, it was the energy of the singer. the power that she put behind it. she didn't just sing it, she made it something worth the listening. i only wished to share it knowing i may never know if others felt/see the same.
i post music for other reasons, but that is the reason for the one you asked about in your post.

the name? it is a very un-Buddhist division in such a deliberate expression of separate self.

thanks for askin.   8)




^^^Something out of Pseuds corner!  :)


BobGrau

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on March 26, 2013, 02:45:07 AM



^^^Something out of Pseuds corner!  :)

A Private Eye reference on CoastGab? I'm in heaven.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: BobGrau on March 27, 2013, 10:16:29 AM

A Private Eye reference on CoastGab? I'm in heaven.


My Pleasure sir!  ;D



ksm32

Best band? as in group effort? RUSH! < any band will tell you that.
Best band? as in solo effort? Tom Waits!
THE DOORS! .. just because.
Cheque Please. 8)

analog kid

Down by the seaside. See the boats go sailin'


Down By The Seaside - Led Zeppelin

Eddie Coyle


     The playlist of a disconnected burn out hermit born twenty years too late. Past week or so...

     Larry Coryell/Eleventh House     Live at Montreux, 1974         1978
     Bad Company                               Run With The Pack                1976
     Hawkwind                                  Hall of the Mountain Grill         1974
     Bo Hansson                  Music Inspired by the Lord of the Rings  1970
     Jack Bruce                     Songs For Tailor                                    1969
     Gamma                           Gamma 1                                               1979
     Riot                                    Fire Down Under                                  1981
     Fairport Convention       Nine    1973       Rising For the Moon     1975
     Colosseum                       Valentine Suite                                      1969   
     Colosseum II                     Electric Savage                                    1977
     Rolling Stones                     Beggar's Banquet                                 1968
     Fleetwood Mac                    Future Games                                    1971
     The Who         Live At The Young Vic, April 1971                      2003
     King Crimson          The Wake of Poseidon                               1970
     Keith Jarrett                      The Koln Concert                              1975
     Pat Metheny         American Garage  1979             Offramp     1982
     Dust                        Dust 1971                                 Hard Attack    1972
      Rory Gallagher                         Against the Grain 1975        Jinx 1982
     Santana              Abraxas                                                               1970
     The Modern Lovers     The Modern Lovers                                  1976
      David Gilmour                David Gilmour                                       1978
       Beck Bogert Appice               Beck Bogert Appice                      1973





     

analog kid

Quote from: Eddie Coyle on April 23, 2013, 10:02:29 PM
     The playlist of a disconnected burn out hermit born twenty years too late. Past week or so...

     Larry Coryell/Eleventh House     Live at Montreux, 1974         1978
     Bad Company                               Run With The Pack                1976
     Hawkwind                                  Hall of the Mountain Grill         1974
     Bo Hansson                  Music Inspired by the Lord of the Rings  1970
     Jack Bruce                     Songs For Tailor                                    1969
     Gamma                           Gamma 1                                               1979
     Riot                                    Fire Down Under                                  1981
     Fairport Convention       Nine    1973       Rising For the Moon     1975
     Colosseum                       Valentine Suite                                      1969   
     Colosseum II                     Electric Savage                                    1977
     Rolling Stones                     Beggar's Banquet                                 1968
     Fleetwood Mac                    Future Games                                    1971
     The Who         Live At The Young Vic, April 1971                      2003
     King Crimson          The Wake of Poseidon                               1970
     Keith Jarrett                      The Koln Concert                              1975
     Pat Metheny         American Garage  1979             Offramp     1982
     Dust                        Dust 1971                                 Hard Attack    1972
      Rory Gallagher                         Against the Grain 1975        Jinx 1982
     Santana              Abraxas                                                               1970
     The Modern Lovers     The Modern Lovers                                  1976
      David Gilmour                David Gilmour                                       1978
       Beck Bogert Appice               Beck Bogert Appice                      1973

I was making a grooveshark playlist of this but was doing it wrong and have to start over. I did make a playlist from another one of your posts a while back and discovered some good stuff. Most notably for me was Still I'm Sad from Richie Blackmore. Can't believe I'd never heard of it. The Dio stuff I've had on rotation for more than 20 years, and I hadn't heard his version of Still I'm Sad either.

And for what it's worth, there's a firefox extension that will download grooveshark playlists.

Eddie Coyle

Quote from: analog kid on April 24, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
I was making a grooveshark playlist of this but was doing it wrong and have to start over. I did make a playlist from another one of your posts a while back and discovered some good stuff. Most notably for me was Still I'm Sad from Richie Blackmore. Can't believe I'd never heard of it. The Dio stuff I've had on rotation for more than 20 years, and I hadn't heard his version of Still I'm Sad either.


            I've been a Blackmore freak since I was kid, Dio-era Rainbow in particular. There's quite a few live releases of that era, where "Still I'm Sad" was often the show closer, featuring extended solos from Blackmore,Cozy...The official release was On Stage from '77, the 1990-2000's releases Live In Europe(from same '76 tour as On Stage but 2 cds instead of one) Rainbow in Munich '77, where Still I'm Sad runs to 25 minutes.

              Because Dio-era Rainbow never gets played on the radio, beyond the rare "Silver Mountain" play on classic rock, those albums never get old to me.

analog kid

Quote from: Eddie Coyle on April 24, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
            I've been a Blackmore freak since I was kid, Dio-era Rainbow in particular. There's quite a few live releases of that era, where "Still I'm Sad" was often the show closer, featuring extended solos from Blackmore,Cozy...The official release was On Stage from '77, the 1990-2000's releases Live In Europe(from same '76 tour as On Stage but 2 cds instead of one) Rainbow in Munich '77, where Still I'm Sad runs to 25 minutes.

              Because Dio-era Rainbow never gets played on the radio, beyond the rare "Silver Mountain" play on classic rock, those albums never get old to me.

I'll definitely get that. Rainbow Rising is a favorite. Musicians like that don't exist anymore. "Supergroup" Dream Theater tried to cover Stargazer and they were thrown to the ground.

Eddie Coyle

Quote from: analog kid on April 24, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
I'll definitely get that. Rainbow Rising is a favorite. Musicians like that don't exist anymore. "Supergroup" Dream Theater tried to cover Stargazer and they were thrown to the ground.
I've heard Dream Theater attempt many a classic song and get that same result, and they are one of the better acts of recent times :-[ ...relatively speaking.

       Musicians like that are a rare, dying breed and it's discouraging. I point my accusing finger at Kurt Cobain in the winter of 91/92 when mope rock became the "it" thing.

I dunno if anyone here likes punk rock (or if this was posted already) but I saw the trailer for this on On Demand.  Interesting how the media
makes or breaks people, or are just never even given a chance if they don't fit some mold, are ahead of their time (so go unrecognized) or don't know somebody on the inside.  Music seems to be a risky business in the first place with sooooo many here today, gone tomorrow, and those who are already established and try a different sound, can end up losing fans.  Geez seems a lot of people can be so fickle and guided blindly by mainstream opinions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/a-band-called-death-new-film-explores-70s-punk-before-punk-band-death-photo-video-song_n_3154468.html



Sardondi

(Another Sardondi Wall O' Text Production. But there's a question here - way down there, so I'll bold it so folks don't have to read all this BS if they still might want to help with my question about production policies on this BBC TV show.)

About a month ago I discovered Later...with Jools Holland reruns on the Palladia network. For those Americans as ignorant as I of this show, Later... has a fairly wide variety of acts, playing music I would almost certainly never hear otherwise. Jools Holland himself apparently went straight from making gobs of money as a session musician and band member to a music and TV producer. Recording sessions as a keyboard player off and on since the early 70's, to being a band member of something like 5 groups (including that monster-in-the-late-70's-early-80's group, Squeeze), and also being the leader of several of his own bands, to being the host of one of the longest-running BBC shows in history is not shabby. On since 1992, Later... is the Desert Island Discs of BBC TV - technically "BBC 2". Which is good, I guess, since as I understand the difference, BBC is Benny Hill, okay, maybe more like Morecambe and Wise, and BBC 2 is aimed at a little higher-brow market, say, Stephen Fry. (Okay, is this even close to correct, Brits?) Whatever, Jools Holland is a freaking money-making machine.

True music aficionados would probably say Holland's acts on Later... are too commercial and middle-of-the-road, and that his hip hop in particular has a watered-down, whitebread style. And I did see a 2008 performance by a 72-year-old Glen Campbell in which he "sang" In Times Like These, looking down all the while because he didn't know the song. It was painful to watch. (But I see Campbell was diagnosed a year or so later w/Alzheimer's, and his Later performance makes it all the more poignant.) Still, I haven't seen anything else nearly that grim in the 15 or so episodes of Later... I've watched.

As far as breadth of styles goes, I just watched a 2008 show with Metallica, Kings of Leon, Ting Tings, VV Brown, Nicole Atkins, Sway DaSafo and Carla Bruni (who in addition to being a successful singer-songwriter was also at the time of her performance  the First Lady of France, as she was married to French President Nicolas Sarkozy). Okay, so it may be a tad like People magazine, and there are no gangstas, but, dang, it's still a pretty wide array of tastes there.

I'm also knocked out by the excellent sound production values of Later..., which I guess is to be expected in a, you know, show about music and all. It's great just to see a musical variety show, even if it's all what we might have called in the past "radio music". Shows featuring a variety of musical acts disappeared from the US airwaves about the time the middle baby boomers left high school. Bands on shows like Shindig, Hullabaloo and Where The Action Is were limited to the Billboard AM Top-40. (I don't count American Idol-type shows since they feature exclusively 1) solo vocalists, 2) who are supposedly amateurs 3) who cover Top-40 "Adult Contemporary" and MOR stuff by Britney/Madonna/Shakira/Christina Aguilera etc., 4) all done in that hideous Patti Labelle-style of over-singing that can be called "faux-gospel-uber-warble".)

Later... has only been on over 20 years now (!!!), doing a format of two short series per calendar year, about 6-8 shows per series, 12-15 per year. That's how the show has racked up 42 series in 22 years. and about 300 recorded-live programs and (I'm guessing here) around 2,500-3,000 songs performed live, and all without me having a hint of its existence.

Okay, now we're getting ot the point of all this. One thing I noticed is that sometimes the acts on Later have these huge backing groups appear with them, including 3-6 member string and/or brass sections. I can't see how these featured acts could possibly tour with a 6-15 member backup section in addition to one of the usual variants of the basic 4-5-player main band of 2 guitars/bass/keyboard/drums, and still make any money. Of course one theory of touring used to be is that it was just to support album sales, and breaking even was a success (at least that's what the labels told the bands!). But that model has been pretty much knocked in the head, and I would think touring to make money is a very big deal now. That being said, I've only had questions about the number of people backing when I'm unfamiliar with the group. For example, Kings of Leon was just the four guys; Ray LaMontagne was just himself then The Pariah Dogs, with no additional backups. And I suppose Tom Jones really can afford to tour with four-piece brass and three-piece string sections in addition to four backup singers and the basic 5-player guitar band in standard backup. It's only those new solo artists I'm unfamiliar with who seem to have these 12-piece support bands. 

So does anyone know if these larger backup configurations, other than vocals, are provided by BBC? (Well, maybe vocals too.) I guess the necessary backups could come from Holland's own current band (doesn't he have a brass-heavy R&B band?). Or they could be provided as independent contractors by Holland as the producer of the Later... show, since I guess he sells BBC the show as a finished product, instead of BBC producing and running the shows. I'm particularly asking UFO Fill these questions, since IIRC correctly he was in the TV biz for a quarter-century or so. Of course that's like saying since I'm a lawyer I should know about the legal system of the old Code Napoleon in Louisiana. This might be totally outside your area, U.F. But maybe you or someone else is familiar with usual industry practices on stuff like this if not BBC 2 particulars.

If backing strings/brass/vocals are provided, that would necessitate some serious rehearsal time I would think, plus the laborious transcription of music for each individual instrument (often it would be the first time a lot of these groups' songs have been put on "paper", since many songs are just noodled out in their heads and exist only as sound, not musical notes. Or today is there software which can transcribe sound to musical notes?). Anyway, putting backing musicians with a group just a day or two before a performance sounds like a very difficult and stressful thing. That would seem to make scheduling rehearsals all that more difficult, particularly with such traditionally and notoriously unreliable artists as pop/rock musicians - even moreso with groups who may have played the night before in Manchester and are hungover enough to make a movie, or are just plain exhausted and desperately want to sleep instead of rehearse some backup musicians. Maybe I don't understand how good professional musicians are, and how little rehearsal they really need to be dead solid perfect in performance.

So, can anyone help me? UFO Fill? Other TV biz people? Professional musicians? 


Quote from: Sardondi on May 30, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
... About a month ago I discovered Later...with Jools Holland reruns on the Palladia network...

There are also tons of clips of Later... with various bands on You Tube

Sardondi

Quote from: Paper*Boy on May 30, 2013, 07:37:24 PM
There are also tons of clips of Later... with various bands on You Tube
So am I being a fan boy about this? I've just been really pleasantly surprised at the wide variety of acts, and how they get 5-6 disparate bands or artists on the same soundstage at the same time, ready to perform at what seems to me a very high level, week after week after week.

BobGrau

Quote from: Sardondi on May 30, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
So am I being a fan boy about this? I've just been really pleasantly surprised at the wide variety of acts, and how they get 5-6 disparate bands or artists on the same soundstage at the same time, ready to perform at what seems to me a very high level, week after week after week.

Later... is indeed a great show, I envy you discovering it for the first time. Yes, BBC2 is the slightly more dignified of the two main bbc channels, though that's not saying much.

Juan

I don't know how this particular show handles it, but here session players would be hired by the production company, music would be written, and there would be a rehearsal.  The session players are so good, they don't need much more than a run through.  Depending on the complexity of the song, there could be a full score or there could simply be a "lead sheet" - nothing but the melody with the chords written above it. It could be that the performance is the same day as the rehearsal. 

These are professional players.  If they want to work again, they'd better not show up hung over or otherwise unable to play.

ziznak


I totally forgot about these guys for a few years... blown away. They still have it.  Very good band that earned their wings and kept the musical integrity together.
Coheed and Cambria - The Afterman: Ascension and Descension - full albums with artwork

I know it's a bit late but I've been out of town and unable to post for a while.

The new Skinny Puppy album, Weapon, was released on May 28 and was premiered early at Revolver:
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/exclusive-skinny-puppy-premiere-new-album-weapon.html

After the first listen I was hooked, and the mp3s have been playing steadily ever since. Anyone who has been a fan of the early work of this pioneering band will notice a definite return to form compared with their last few releases.

analog kid

One of my fvorite songs, from the infamous A4D Records.


Dead Can Dance - Black sun (Fiesole, June 2nd 2013)

Listening to Love over Gold right now.  Sweet Jesus, Knopfler is brilliant.


Telegraph Road.


14 and a half minutes of exstatic genius.

Eddie Coyle

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on June 21, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
Listening to Love over Gold right now.  Sweet Jesus, Knopfler is brilliant.


Telegraph Road.


14 and a half minutes of exstatic genius.
Their best album,IMO. And absolutely overlooked and forgotten outside the blue moon occurence of "Industrial Disease" being played on classic rock. Of course, played once for every 67,871 spins of Money For Nothing, and 187,917 of Sultans of Swing.

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