President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

That is a current statistic.

So why bring in people from terrorist countries to make the chance increase?

Yeah, cos you can generate mass killings all by yourself. 

[Dr. MD MD]

That is a current statistic.

So why bring in people from terrorist countries to make the chance increase?

If there are only a total of 1.5 billion Muslims in the world how could the stat be one in 3.6 billion?! 

[SciFiAuthor]

Shame it? Are you for real? How can any radical religious faction feel shame? Be they right wing Christian zealots or Muslim zealots. They're a faction because they're shameless in their fanaticism.

There were once people fanatical about Zeus and Athena. There were even priests of Cybele that made themselves into eunuchs, as did thousands for the sake of the Emperor of China. Now we just know that they were batshit crazy and bought into a line of bullshit and the ideologies that spawned that behavior died. It will be much the same with Islamic extremism. They won't exist in a few centuries. The sooner the better and the best way to bring it about is to not lie to ourselves about it or excuse it. We should simply call it what it is: bullshit that's causing people to piss away their lives, whether it be by suicide vest or simply slamming your head into the ground five times a day instead of doing something productive.

[SredniVashtar]

...sez one of the biggest flag-wavers in here. 

Far from it, I don't know where you got that impression.

[Dr. MD MD]

There were once people fanatical about Zeus and Athena. There were even priests of Cybele that made themselves into eunuchs, as did thousands for the sake of the Emperor of China. Now we just know that they were batshit crazy and bought into a line of bullshit and the ideologies that spawned that behavior died. It will be much the same with Islamic extremism. They won't exist in a few centuries. The sooner the better and the best way to bring it about is to not lie to ourselves about it or excuse it. We should simply call it what it is: bullshit.

Indeed! Religious ideology isn't immune to reason. It really tries to be but it isn't.

[SredniVashtar]

There were once people fanatical about Zeus and Athena. There were even priests of Cybele that made themselves into eunuchs, as did thousands for the sake of the Emperor of China.

Yes, but we're not talking over a billion people. What all they going to do? Convert to Calvinism?

[SciFiAuthor]

I think the Roman empire is still alive and well, since you elected Caligula a few weeks ago.

Anyway, that's all politics of one kind or another, they aren't ideas.

The fuck they're not ideas. That's what politics is, collections of ideas.

[Jackstar]

How can any radical religious faction feel shame?

Watch me.

[SciFiAuthor]

Yes, but we're not talking over a billion people. What all they going to do? Convert to Calvinism?

That would be a start, but I'd really recommend agnosticism or atheism. Anything that isn't a delusion would be ideal, but if they absolutely must have a religion a peaceful one that doesn't oppress women and execute homosexuals would be good. Buddhism might be a nice choice.

[K_Dubb]

Far from it, I don't know where you got that impression.

Come on, you can't be that unaware.  You're a proud Englishman.  You make sure everyone knows it from your peculiar spelling, jesting and the Water Music ffs.  There's nothing wrong with that.  I think everyone should endeavor to live like a color plate out of Lands and Peoples.

[norland2424]

That would be a start, but I'd really recommend agnosticism or atheism. Anything that isn't a delusion would be ideal, but if they need a religion a peaceful one that doesn't oppress women and execute homosexuals would be good. Buddhism might be a nice choice.

this is the only "religion" anyone needs.

[SredniVashtar]

The fuck they're not ideas. That's what politics is, collections of ideas.

Ideas are potential energy and hard to pin down because politics gets involved and muddies the waters. That's why people from  Plato on have tried to dream up the ideal city state but never manage to see it in action, because the day-to-day business of politics gets in the way. Rather like having a battle plan and then see it all fall apart when the war starts.

[SciFiAuthor]

Ideas are potential energy and hard to pin down because politics gets involved and muddies the waters. That's why people from  Plato on have tried to dream up the ideal city state but never manage to see it in action, because the day-to-day business of politics gets in the way. Rather like having a battle plan and then see it all fall apart when the war starts.

Napoleon once had an idea. It was to muddy the waters and maximize his power by misusing the system. It worked, for a time. But it was still just an idea.

[Jackstar]

Ideas are potential energy and hard to pin down because politics gets involved and muddies the waters. That's why people from  Plato on have tried to dream up the ideal city state but never manage to see it in action, because the day-to-day business of politics gets in the way. Rather like having a battle plan and then see it all fall apart when the war starts.

> non-corrupt governance is impossible
> good goy


zogbot detected.

[SredniVashtar]

Come on, you can't be that unaware.  You're a proud Englishman.  You make sure everyone knows it from your peculiar spelling, jesting and the Water Music ffs.  There's nothing wrong with that.  I think everyone should endeavor to live like a color plate out of Lands and Peoples.

The Water Music was composed by a German, of course! I think you might have taken me a wee bit too seriously at times. I'm not 'proud' of being English, it isn't an achievement.

[Jackstar]

this is the only "religion" anyone needs.

You know me--I don't judge. But damn, dude. This is a family site.

[SredniVashtar]

Napoleon once had an idea. It was to muddy the waters and maximize his power by misusing the system. It worked, for a time. But it was still just an idea.

This is just casuistry now. Conquest isn't an 'idea'. I wouldn't call Bonapartism much of a philosophy, it was just to make everyone French.

[Dr. MD MD]

This is just casuistry now. Conquest isn't an 'idea'. I wouldn't call Bonapartism much of a philosophy, it was just to make everyone French.

No but Hegel had some ideas...and those got developed. 

[Jackstar]

This is just casuistry now.

[K_Dubb]

The Water Music was composed by a German, of course! I think you might have taken me a wee bit too seriously at times. I'm not 'proud' of being English, it isn't an achievement.

And for a German, but that's beside the point.  And forgive me, I remembered it was the Fireworks -- same diff.

[Kidnostad3]

And certain death if you were discovered being an informer for the US.  This ban is splitting American families up. 

For the first time in history a US President might have a state visit to the UK revoked. Now you might not care, but Trump will, badly.

That will never happen.  Remember, you heard it here first.

[Dr. MD MD]

That will never happen.  Remember, you heard it here first.

Get in line! I told that a couple pages ago. 

[SciFiAuthor]

This is just casuistry now. Conquest isn't an 'idea'. I wouldn't call Bonapartism much of a philosophy, it was just to make everyone French.

He went about it with a bit too much zeal unfortunately and found himself on the receiving end of another culture that was seeking the same. That culture wanted to make everyone British. Unfortunately it ultimately failed because it ran out of things to think about and focused on fashionable self-shaming.

[Jackstar]

That culture wanted to make everyone British. Unfortunately it ultimately failed because it ran out of things to think about and focused on fashionable self-shaming.

You know me--I don't judge. But damn, dude. This is a family site.

FTFAF.

[Kidnostad3]

9/11 hijackers came from SA, but it isn't banned.

I have explained this to you 3 times already. I'm not going to tell you again but here's a clue: Saudi Arabia is not a country in which there are tens of thousands of bad guys running around killing people and from which hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing.  Now before reacting take a deep breath and let this sink in for a moment.  You are starting to embarrass me.

[Jackstar]

9/11 hijackers came from SA

I have explained this to you 3 times already.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTFB9GDfls

[Kidnostad3]

This is just casuistry now. Conquest isn't an 'idea'. I wouldn't call Bonapartism much of a philosophy, it was just to make everyone French.

And one world advocates like you want to make everyone assume the value of the lowest common denominator.  Here's something for you to consider: 

A.  I do believe in American exceptionalism.

B.  I don't want Americans to be absorbed into some amorphous conglomoration of inferior states.

C.  Anybody that can make the cut to get into this country legally is welcome as long as their motives are pure and they are willing to assimilate.

D.  We want nothing you have to offer.  If your forebearers had any backbone or intelligence you would be a 10th generation American. 

E.  It is a well known fact that all hyper-liberal men squat to pee.

[Jackstar]

willing to assimilate.

For some reason, there are those who seem to hold to the belief that the American tradition of freedom of religion means that the U.S. is somehow obliged to accept all religions.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Muslims and Jews: bacon or GTFO.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUthEcMsTSs