President Donald J. Trump

[Lt.Uhura]

He obviously meant the half who voted, you nitwit. You're a perfect example of who he's talking about. In regards to the people who didn't vote, tough tits!

Hmm, I guess this is what an appetite for fake news has done to you. If the facts of a piece sound muddled or fuzzy, simply re-interpret them to support your beliefs. 

The author was right about one thing however:  Cognitive dissonance.  A few months ago Trump had his followers chanting "lock her up", and many believed he'd do just that. But now, in the ever changing mind of Donald Trump yet another "layer of truth" is revealed.

“No, it’s okay. Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?” --Donald Trump

[Dr. MD MD]

Hmm, I guess this is what an appetite for fake news has done to you. If the facts of a piece sound muddled or fuzzy, simply re-interpret them to support your beliefs. 

The author was right about one thing however:  Cognitive dissonance.  A few months ago Trump had his followers chanting "lock her up", and many believed he'd do just that. But now, in the ever changing mind of Donald Trump yet another "layer of truth" is revealed.

“No, it’s okay. Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?” --Donald Trump

Fake news!   

Another Dem talking point but don't let that stop you.  :

The cognitive dissonance is this: You were wrong about Trump and continue to be...but I know you're a genius and just could never be wrong about anything. You think he's the next Hitler and that Russian agents are hiding around every corner. You have to entered into this deluded dream world where we're all stupid and you're the smart one in order to maintain any dignity at all...but anyone with even average intelligence sees through this pathetic bellyaching. 

[WOTR]

What about the 100,000,000 + elegible voters--roughly 1/3 of the entire U.S. population--who didn't vote?  What are they, chopped liver?  Maybe some of them couldn't stand the thought of either candidate running the country.  In which "half of the country" will you insert them into your "reality"?

I insert them in the "half" who should have looked outside of the traditional two parties for somebody who may represent them and who may break the two party system that is unpalatable (at best.) 

[norland2424]

Fake news!   

Another Dem talking point but don't let that stop you.  :

The cognitive dissonance is this: You were wrong about Trump and continue to be...but I know you're a genius and just could never be wrong about anything. You think he's the next Hitler and that Russian agents are hiding around every corner. You have to entered into this deluded dream world where we're all stupid and you're the smart one in order to maintain any dignity at all...but anyone with even average intelligence sees through this pathetic bellyaching. 

ah i remember when dr md md wasn't a coinciding jerk  :

[norland2424]

I insert them in the "half" who should have looked outside of the traditional two parties for somebody who may represent them and who may break the two party system that is unpalatable (at best.) 

shit i voted for hoagland, shoulda voted for noory tho 

[Dr. MD MD]

ah i remember when dr md md wasn't a coinciding jerk  :

I think you mean condescending...and that's not me being condescending, BTW. 

Anyway, sorry I don't agree with your propaganda. I'm probably just making too much sense for you. 

[WOTR]

shit i voted for hoagland, shoulda voted for noory tho 

If they only demanded a recount country wide instead of focusing on a limited number of states Noory would have got it with his VP Ventura. 

***I should probably mention that I had held out hope that this year may have been a "breakthrough" for a third party.  Not that they would win- just that they might have pulled numbers to make people sit up and take notice.  I figured that if the two clowns running for the traditional parties could not wake people up then the system is pretty much doomed to remain as is.  It was almost like the R's and D's got together and agreed to run the worst candidate imaginable to test how cemented their hold on power really is.  We have our answer and perhaps "whats (her) name Kardashian" can be the first female president and be her own "first gentleman." 

[norland2424]

I think you mean condescending...and that's not me being condescending, BTW. 

Anyway, sorry I don't agree with your propaganda. I'm probably just making too much sense for you. 

i don't have propaganda and no dude I'm being serious, before you left for a while you weren't so damn annoying.

[WOTR]

Sorry.  Jenner.  Katlin Jenner... Not paying any attention to pop culture means that I have not "kept up with the Kardashians.*" 

*Though I do know that one has had their "man card" revoked.

I think that Paris Hilton ought to run against Jenner next election.

[Dr. MD MD]

i don't have propaganda and no dude I'm being serious, before you left for a while you weren't so damn annoying.

I know that it annoys you that I don't agree with your continuous attempts to discourage open conversation here with simple mockery and insult but that's honestly how I feel. I wonder why it's so important for you to do so?

[norland2424]

If they only demanded a recount country wide instead of focusing on a limited number of states Noory would have got it with his VP Ventura. 

***I should probably mention that I had held out hope that this year may have been a "breakthrough" for a third party.  Not that they would win- just that they might have pulled numbers to make people sit up and take notice.  I figured that if the two clowns running for the traditional parties could not wake people up then the system is pretty much doomed to remain as is.  It was almost like the R's and D's got together and agreed to run the worst candidate imaginable to test how cemented their hold on power really is.  We have our answer and perhaps "whats (her) name Kardashian" can be the first female president and be her own "first gentleman." 

the problem with third parties are they usually prop up candidates that are unelectable, i sure as hell wasn't going to vote for stein or Johnson.   

[norland2424]

I know that it annoys you that I don't agree with your continuous attempts to discourage open conversation here with simple mockery and insult but that's honestly how I feel. I wonder why it's so important for you to do so?

how many times do i have to tell you i have no agenda on this forum? trust me bellgab is the last place i would ever push my " beliefs " on.

[Dr. MD MD]

how many times do i have to tell you i have no agenda on this forum? trust me bellgab is the last place i would ever push my " beliefs " on.

Then why do that? Your behavior isn't consistent with what you're saying. 

[norland2424]

Then why do that? Your behavior isn't consistent with what you're saying. 

my point with my earlier post is you don't have to be a jackass to people to get your point across, and i don't mean towards me, but in general all you do is attack people who don't hold your views. no offense to anyone on bellgab but why would anyone give a shit about pushing any agenda here? 

[WOTR]

how many times do i have to tell you i have no agenda on this forum? trust me bellgab is the last place i would ever push my " beliefs " on.

Don't get too defensive Norland.  I consider your mockery and insults the perfect compliment to my snark, cynicism and sarcasm.

no offense to anyone on bellgab but why would anyone give a shit about pushing any agenda here?

I need more converts to my chapter of "the church of the subgenius?"

[Dr. MD MD]

my point with my earlier post is you don't have to be a jackass to people to get your point across, and i don't mean towards me, but in general all you do is attack people who don't hold your views. no offense to anyone on bellgab but why would anyone give a shit about pushing any agenda here?

Dude, before you go all PC on me watch the first episode of season 3 of Black Mirror. Then get back to me. We'll chat. 

[Dr. MD MD]

Don't get too defensive Norland.  I consider your mockery and insults the perfect compliment to my snark, cynicism and sarcasm.

I prefer your snark because at least it encourages more thought out responses, even if I rarely agree with you. 

[norland2424]

Don't get too defensive Norland.  I consider your mockery and insults the perfect compliment to my snark, cynicism and sarcasm.

lol i mean its kinda funny when jackstar jokes that im on CIA payroll, but it gets old when the good dr actually thinks i log on to " suppress" the truth on a forum dedicated to Art " fertile" bell. 

[Dr. MD MD]

lol i mean its kinda funny when jackstar jokes that im on CIA payroll, but it gets old when the good dr actually thinks i log on to " suppress" the truth on a forum dedicated to Art " fertile" bell.

but you do...and you do often. Can you blame people for being suspicious? 

[norland2424]

but you do...and you do often. Can you blame people for being suspicious? 

lol im sure your just going to keep this up to be annoying but no really their is no " truth" to suppress on here

[Dr. MD MD]

lol im sure your just going to keep this up to be annoying but no really their is no " truth" to suppress on here

I'm really not trying to be annoying and I didn't say you were trying to suppress the truth, only discussion...and this you do often. I actually like discussion. Why anyone would come on a discussion forum to discourage it is beyond me but you do often seem to want to curtail the discussion of many subjects here.

[norland2424]

I'm really not trying to be annoying and I didn't say you were trying to suppress the truth, only discussion...and this you do often. I actually like discussion. Why anyone would come on a discussion forum to discourage it is beyond me but you do often seem to want to curtail the discussion of many subjects here.

seriously how can i even suppress a convo here? only one with the power to do that is MV?

[Dr. MD MD]

seriously how can i even suppress a convo here? only one with the power to do that is MV?

I don't mean censoring in the sense of being able to physically stop discussion here through deleting posts or something but you're constantly psy-oping any discussion you don't agree with through insult, mockery, peer pressure, etc. It never works on me and probably never will but I'm sure it probably dissuades more introverted types sometimes. Anyway, feel free to keep doing it if it's your thing but fucking with people who are like that is kinda my thing so don't kill my buzz, johnny buzzkill! 

[norland2424]

I don't mean censoring in the sense of being able to physically stop discussion here through deleting posts or something but you're constantly psy-oping any discussion you don't agree with through insult, mockery, peer pressure, etc. It never works on me and probably never will but I'm sure it probably dissuades more introverted types sometimes. Anyway, feel free to keep doing it if it's your thing but fucking with people who are like that is kinda my thing so don't kill my buzz, johnny buzzkill! 

yup your just gonna stay annoying , oh well i tried to come to some sort of compromise  :

[MV/Liberace!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs 

Listen to the question she asks him:  it's about illegals voting and whether the government would find out and deport them. 

In his response, first Obama first states that what she's worried about is 'Not True'.  He then goes on to flip the question to be about the reporter herself voting, states she's a citizen, then goes on to reassure her no one will be investigated, deported, etc.  And no, he didn't 'misunderstand' the question.

People can argue he never said the words ''It's ok for illegal aliens/undocumented Americans/non-citizens To Vote''.  Of course he didn't, that would be quite stupid of him.  But in interviews like these he certainly sends the message to do so.

The question and his response are the first 34 seconds of this video.  I agree 100% with the commentary that follows, but the 34 second interview sniplet speaks for itself.

The interviewer is an illegal alien, isn't she? That's my understanding.

[Dr. MD MD]

yup your just gonna stay annoying , oh well i tried to come to some sort of compromise  :

Look, you think I'm being a dick but I think when you do that I think you're being a dick. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't hold any grudges though and frankly, usually don't take an insulting tone with people here unless they've drawn first blood...and then I reserve the right to go intellectually Rambo on them. 

[norland2424]

The interviewer is an illegal alien, isn't she? That's my understanding.

at least her wiki says that shes born in Chicago , but im not sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Rodriguez

[norland2424]

Look, you think I'm being a dick but I think when you do that I think you're being a dick. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't hold any grudges though and frankly, usually don't take an insulting tone with people here unless they've drawn first blood...and then I reserve the right to go intellectually Rambo on them. 

no your being a dick by continuing to be blind on the fact that im saying i don't play psysop games or whatever you want to call them, then the kicker is you insult and belittle people that you don't agree with.

[WOTR]

...through insult, mockery, peer pressure, etc. It never works on me and probably never will but I'm sure it probably dissuades more introverted types sometimes...

This is the second time in as many weeks that somebody has suggested that Bellgabbers are fragile flowers (or special snowflakes) who are likely to shy away from posting their opinions because others are too aggressive.  Also interesting to note that both times it was to protect "special snowflakes" on the right who might feel threatened.

***Really, I just wanted to smile at the idea of the special snowflakes and fragile flowers now being those on the right when I typically think of them as the younger, more liberal generation. 

[Dr. MD MD]

no your being a dick by continuing to be blind on the fact that im saying i don't play psysop games or whatever you want to call them, then the kicker is you insult and belittle people that you don't agree with.

Like I said, usually only if they go there first and then I consider it fair game.