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Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on December 10, 2016, 06:05:15 PM
It's not "intelligence".  It's an unsophisticated, flippant, and emotional reaction by a narcissist.  If he were smart he'd listen intently to all the information provided and give an intelligent, well-reasoned response.

You keep spinning that, buddy! I'm sure some of the more feeble minded on here believe you.  ;D

WOTR

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on December 10, 2016, 06:05:15 PM
It's not "intelligence".  It's an unsophisticated, flippant, and emotional reaction by a narcissist.  If he were smart he'd listen intently to all the information provided and give an intelligent, well-reasoned response.
Are you suggesting that the POTUS should have to be able to provide intelligent answers and reasoned responses rather than just tweets stating his positions?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 06:10:51 PM
Are you suggesting that the POTUS should have to be able to provide intelligent answers and reasoned responses rather than just tweets stating his positions?

So, let me get this straight. You're saying the CIA has never lied about anything before?  ???

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 06:10:51 PM
Are you suggesting that the POTUS should have to be able to provide intelligent answers and reasoned responses rather than just tweets stating his positions?

If he doesn't behave, he'll get his Twitter taken away again.  ::)

albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
I look forward to the day when there are more than 77 journalists killed in a single year.  It is time that we finally struck some fear into the hearts of these so called "reporters" who are nothing more than propaganda machines.  These people are directly responsible for inciting riots and lootings and must be held accountable for their false reporting.

I mean really?  7 journalists killed in the US since 1992?  Certainly America is better than that. 

https://cpj.org/killed/2015/
Journalists are usually only killed in places where the information and news they are reporting are an issue for those in control, or by those trying to get it. Not much of a problem here in the States or most Western countries. The system is, pretty much, in place. Trump notwithstanding, though they we will see- some of his picks seem in line with normalcy and the system.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on December 10, 2016, 03:54:30 PM
It's beyond accusing MSM as presenting biased news when people like this form their opinions (and vehemently defend them) from sources like Facebook.  "Google it"!

“Did you hear the president say illegal people could vote?” Camerota remarked.
“Yes!” the entire panel exclaimed. One panelist encouraged Camerota to “Google it, you can find it on Facebook.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/watch-cnn-host-loses-it-when-trump-supporters-claim-california-allows-3-million-illegal-votes/

Facepalm indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs 

Listen to the question she asks him:  it's about illegals voting and whether the government would find out and deport them. 

In his response, first Obama first states that what she's worried about is 'Not True'.  He then goes on to flip the question to be about the reporter herself voting, states she's a citizen, then goes on to reassure her no one will be investigated, deported, etc.  And no, he didn't 'misunderstand' the question.

People can argue he never said the words ''It's ok for illegal aliens/undocumented Americans/non-citizens To Vote''.  Of course he didn't, that would be quite stupid of him.  But in interviews like these he certainly sends the message to do so.

The question and his response are the first 34 seconds of this video.  I agree 100% with the commentary that follows, but the 34 second interview sniplet speaks for itself.

WOTR

Quote from: albrecht on December 10, 2016, 06:30:15 PM
Journalists are usually only killed in places where the information and news they are reporting are an issue for those in control, or by those trying to get it. Not much of a problem here in the States or most Western countries. The system is, pretty much, in place. Trump notwithstanding, though they we will see- some of his picks seem in line with normalcy and the system.
All that I am saying is that they are getting rioters riled up, backing a woman who was NOT elected president, going against democracy, mocking the president elect, lying about child abuse and the satanic cannibalism that the democrats take part in and spreading disinformation.  When I listen to a certain segment of the population, they appear to be the the scourge of modern civilization and should be taken care of as such.

I suppose that we should take comfort in the fact that while Trump "hates" lots of reporters and calls them "lying, disgusting people" he specifically mentions six times in one minute that (he) "would never kill them."  That is a good sign.  He even says that it would be "despicable" for others to kill them. 

Perhaps I went overboard calling for their execution?  Maybe we should just lock the scum of the earth up for their crimes?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/politics/trump-putin-killing-reporters/

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
All that I am saying is that they are getting rioters riled up, backing a woman who was NOT elected president, going against democracy, mocking the president elect, lying about child abuse and the satanic cannibalism that the democrats take part in and spreading disinformation.  When I listen to a certain segment of the population, they appear to be the the scourge of modern civilization and should be taken care of as such.

I suppose that we should take comfort in the fact that while Trump "hates" lots of reporters and calls them "lying, disgusting people" he specifically mentions six times in one minute that (he) "would never kill them."  That is a good sign.  He even says that it would be "despicable" for others to kill them. 

Perhaps I went overboard calling for their execution?  Maybe we should just lock the scum of the earth up for their crimes?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/politics/trump-putin-killing-reporters/

The attempt at sarcasm kinda falls flat when the things that you mention are actually happening. You can't just mock that stuff away, though I'm sure you'll keep trying.  ::)

Also, CNN?!  :D

ItsOver

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on December 10, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
If he doesn't behave, he'll get his Twitter taken away again.  ::)
Ha!  Like that's going to happen.


Really have to wonder what foreplay and offers are being made to the 538 by the DNC at this point.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 10, 2016, 07:25:00 PM
The attempt at sarcasm kinda falls flat when the things that you mention are actually happening. You can't just mock that stuff away, though I'm sure you'll keep trying.  ::)

Also, CNN?!  :D
Strangely, the beginning of the statement was not (all) sarcasm.  There are left leaning outlets who are hoping to still find a way to get Hillary in etc...  Yes, I know that you believe that the Clintons eat babies (that part may have been sarcasm on my part.)  ;)  Yes, the rest is mocking those who honestly think that Infowars and opinion pieces on "the daily stormer" should be allowed to stand while we curtail the press that "we" don't agree with.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 10, 2016, 06:13:05 PM
So, let me get this straight. You're saying the CIA has never lied about anything before?  ???
Not even the WMD in Iraq.  :D

What I am saying is that if you are going to completely ignore everybody in intelligence and diplomatic circles, you had better have a better source than your gut feelings.  I hope he has some former diplomats and intelligent people whispering in his ear if he is going to dismiss everybody else.  (No, that was not sarcasm.)

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 07:34:59 PM
Strangely, the beginning of the statement was not (all) sarcasm.  There are left leaning outlets who are hoping to still find a way to get Hillary in etc...  Yes, I know that you believe that the Clintons eat babies (that part may have been sarcasm on my part.)  ;)  Yes, the rest is mocking those who honestly think that Infowars and opinion pieces on "the daily stormer" should be allowed to stand while we curtail the press that "we" don't agree with.

No, I don't believe the Clintons eat babies. I mean, maybe they do. Who's to say? What I do believe because there's actual evidence is that she's intimately associated with some people who might be pedophiles and also some satanists. Can someone be both? Sure. I think there's enough actual evidence to warrant an investigation. However, law enforcement seems to be hoping this will just evaporate like a bad smell or something.

I find it extremely weird that you'll mock news commentators but find nothing to mock in the "press" or mainstream media. They don't engage in fake news, do they?  :D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
Not even the WMD in Iraq.  :D

What I am saying is that if you are going to completely ignore everybody in intelligence and diplomatic circles, you had better have a better source than your gut feelings.  I hope he has some former diplomats and intelligent people whispering in his ear if he is going to dismiss everybody else.  (No, that was not sarcasm.)

How do you know they're not?

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 10, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
How do you know they're not?
That is why I posted that it was not sarcasm.  If he is ignoring others who presently advise Obama and others, I hope like hell he has a network of intelligent people he can actually rely on to help him out.

***See, two posts in a row lacking sarcasm.  I'm on a roll.  :D

Jackstar

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
I mean really?  7 journalists killed in the US since 1992?  Certainly America is better than that. 

https://cpj.org/killed/2015/

No mention of Michael Hastings. I'm calling shenanigans.

WOTR

Quote from: Jackstar on December 10, 2016, 08:13:36 PM
No mention of Michael Hastings. I'm calling shenanigans.
Also no mention that Obama ordered Breitbart killed.  I consider it to be a partial list published by the new world order of "official" murders that they could not cover up.

pyewacket

This is as good an explanation as I've heard about the polarized reaction to this past election.

Quote from: dilbert.com
...
The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency of the United States has effectively forked reality into two versions that are running in parallel. Clinton’s supporters believe they are living in a world that is a repeat of 1930s Germany, with Trump playing the part of Adolf Hitler. See this reaction for a typical example.

Meanwhile, the other half of the country believes we elected a highly-capable populist who will “drain the swamp” and bring a business approach to government along with greater prosperity.

So how do you know which reality is the real one? The fast answer is that you can’t know. As I said, the human brain did not evolve to understand reality. But just for fun and education, I’ll tell you the best way dig down to the next layer of truth: Look for the Cognitive Dissonance trigger. ...

Read the rest here:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154289405111/the-time-that-reality-forked-right-in-front-of-you

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: pyewacket on December 10, 2016, 09:23:15 PM
This is as good an explanation as I've heard about the polarized reaction to this past election.

Read the rest here:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154289405111/the-time-that-reality-forked-right-in-front-of-you

Good but I thought this section really captures the problem of the left's mental illness:

How can it simultaneously be true that Trump is OBVIOUSLY the next Hitler while it is also true that half the country didn’t notice? There are at least three ways to explain-away this dissonance. Maybe…

    Half the country are sexist, racist monsters too, so they like Trump.

or…

    Half the country is stupid and can’t identify a Hitler that is right in front of them.

or…

    Clinton supporters have been duped into believing something ridiculous about Trump.

Given this set-up, most normal human minds would assume the problem was with other people. That’s how cognitive dissonance works. We like to think we are rational while others are not. So you would expect in this situation that Clinton supporters would enter a type of dream state in which they interpret their reality as being surrounded by racist-sexist-stupid citizens who just elected a genocidal dictator. They have to enter this dream because the only alternative involves believing that they themselves are gullible and deluded.

Dr. MD MD

Trump can't find a better candidate for secretary of state than Rex Tillerson?  He's just another big oil CFR guy. ::)

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
...  When I listen to a certain segment of the population, they appear to be the the scourge of modern civilization and should be taken care of as such...

At last, agreement.

Quote from: WOTR on December 10, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
... if you are going to completely ignore everybody in intelligence and diplomatic circles, you had better have a better source than your gut feelings.  I hope he has some former diplomats and intelligent people whispering in his ear if he is going to dismiss everybody else.  (No, that was not sarcasm.)

He has an entire State Department full of people, and a contact list with every former diplomat and foreign policy official on it.  Some may even be of value.

Let's be clear - Obama's foreign policy was a complete failure, across the board.  Neither Hilary Clinton nor John Kerry had any business being Secretary of State.  We don't have stronger ties with a single ally, friend, or trading partner due to anything he's done.  Not one enemy is more isolated, worse off, or their people better off, due to any action he took.  Our military is weaker.  International law - certainly in the areas of international navigation and international air spaces - is weaker.  The international refugee situation is far worse.  The Middle East is in flames due to his actions.  Iran now has the green light to build nuclear weapons and the ICBMs to deliver them due to his horrible deal, which included removal of the international sanctions.  Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey will now want the same.  Fear of US abandonment may lead to S. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan to also decide they need them.

Trump has been elected to get things back on track.  Those who supported Obama every destructive step of the way ought to be a little more self reflecting, and a little less vocal with their thoughts on the new administration.

WOTR

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 10, 2016, 11:11:45 PM
We don't have stronger ties with a single ally, friend, or trading partner due to anything he's done.  Not one enemy is more isolated, worse off, or their people better off, due to any action he took.  Our military is weaker.  International law - certainly in the areas of international navigation and international air spaces - is weaker.  The international refugee situation is far worse.  The Middle East is in flames due to his actions.
A man who truly deserved a Nobel prize.  8)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 10, 2016, 07:42:13 PM
No, I don't believe the Clintons eat babies. I mean, maybe they do. Who's to say? What I do believe because there's actual evidence is that she's intimately associated with some people who might be pedophiles and also some satanists. Can someone be both? Sure. I think there's enough actual evidence to warrant an investigation. However, law enforcement seems to be hoping this will just evaporate like a bad smell or something.

I find it extremely weird that you'll mock news commentators but find nothing to mock in the "press" or mainstream media. They don't engage in fake news, do they?  :D

In the immortal words of Hilary Clinton, ''At this point what difference does it make''.

As far as I'm concerned, Hilary has done enough damage and violated enough laws to be sent away and held in absolute isolation for life.  The Democrats as a party have done enough damage they ought to be forcibly disbanded by popular demand. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 10, 2016, 10:05:27 PM
Trump can't find a better candidate for secretary of state than Rex Tillerson?  He's just another big oil CFR guy. ::)

The problem with finding qualified people to be Secretary of State is the only people really qualified come from either military or business backgrounds.  And there are the obvious problems with both.

Finding a qualified Secretary of Treasury is much the same, the only people truly qualified almost certainly come from Wall St.  The conflict of interest is enormous.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 10, 2016, 11:32:51 PM
The problem with finding qualified people to be Secretary of State is the only people really qualified come from either military or business backgrounds.  And there are the obvious problems with both.

Finding a qualified Secretary of Treasury is much the same, the only people truly qualified almost certainly come from Wall St.  The conflict of interest is enormous.

There is a third qualification. Academia, i.e. Rice, Brzezinski and Kissinger. Not sure if that's what's needed right now, but just tossing it out there.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: pyewacket on December 10, 2016, 09:23:15 PM
This is as good an explanation as I've heard about the polarized reaction to this past election.

Quote from: dilbert.com
...
The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency of the United States has effectively forked reality into two versions that are running in parallel. Clinton’s supporters believe they are living in a world that is a repeat of 1930s Germany, with Trump playing the part of Adolf Hitler. See this reaction for a typical example.

Meanwhile, the other half of the country believes we elected a highly-capable populist who will “drain the swamp” and bring a business approach to government along with greater prosperity.

So how do you know which reality is the real one? The fast answer is that you can’t know. As I said, the human brain did not evolve to understand reality. But just for fun and education, I’ll tell you the best way dig down to the next layer of truth: Look for the Cognitive Dissonance trigger. ...


The simplistic thinking; "two versions", and faulty logic; "half of the country", of this article are perfect examples of why people are so gullible and easily fall for fake news.

For those with critical thinking skills here are the facts:

*As of Nov. 2016, the U.S. population was estimated at over 323,000,000 people.

*About 231,000,00 of the population was eligible to vote in the 2016 presidential election.

*As of Dec. 7, 2016
http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174

136,296,604 voted:

65,746,544 voted Clinton
62,904,682 voted Trump

Nearly 63 million people is a long way from "half of the country", but don't let facts get in the way of your tidy narrative.

Also, the article illustrates how people with limited reasoning skills will eagerly jump on any bandwagon driven by extremes:  half this/half that, either/or, black/white, Republican/Democrat...  When commenting from one end of the spectrum it's easier to make your case and tie it up with a nice ribbon, as there are no variables to get in the way.

What about the 100,000,000 + elegible voters--roughly 1/3 of the entire U.S. population--who didn't vote?  What are they, chopped liver?  Maybe some of them couldn't stand the thought of either candidate running the country.  In which "half of the country" will you insert them into your "reality"?


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on December 11, 2016, 01:27:44 AM
The simplistic thinking; "two versions", and faulty logic; "half of the country", of this article are perfect examples of why people are so gullible and easily fall for fake news.

Nearly 63 million people is a long way from "half of the country", but don't let facts get in the way of your tidy narrative.

What about the 100,000,000 + elegible voters--roughly 1/3 of the entire U.S. population--who didn't vote?  What are they, chopped liver?  Maybe some of them couldn't stand the thought of either candidate running the country.  In which "half of the country" will you insert them into your "reality"?

He obviously meant the half who voted, you nitwit. You're a perfect example of who he's talking about. In regards to the people who didn't vote, tough tits! I guess they'll know better next time, though I doubt you will.  ::) ;D

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 11, 2016, 01:41:51 AM
He obviously meant the half who voted, you nitwit. You're a perfect example of who he's talking about. In regards to the people who didn't vote, tough tits! I guess they'll know better next time, though I doubt you will.  ::) ;D

Now, now.  Be a gentleman.  There is a way of making the same point without name-calling.  I honestly think the people who were against Trump are horrified that many people actually voted for Trump.  They can't conceive that any rational person would vote for such a person.  So they start boxing those people in a stereotype that really doesn't exist.  As for the 100 million who didn't vote, they would not have voted any way no matter who the candidates were.  They don't care. The people who live on the West Coast and in pockets of the Northeast live in another world from those of us across the rest of the USA.  That much is obvious.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on December 11, 2016, 01:52:35 AM
Now, now.  Be a gentleman.  There is a way of making the same point without name-calling.  I honestly think the people who were against Trump are horrified that many people actually voted for Trump.  They can't conceive that any rational person would vote for such a person.  So they start boxing those people in a stereotype that really doesn't exist.  As for the 100 million who didn't vote, they would not have voted any way no matter who the candidates were.  They don't care. The people who live on the West Coast and in pockets of the Northeast live in another world from those of us across the rest of the USA.  That much is obvious.

I'm not responsible for their gullibility, 21st. I can't help that they all fell for the Hitler/Russia thing.  ::)

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