President Donald J. Trump

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https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/742482573910278144



I HAVE BECOME JACKSTAR, DESTROYER OF DREAMS.

Oh well, not my niece - maybe my nephew. And I'll bet he's nice to his mother. 

[Dr. MD MD]

When was it ever a legal requirement for news organisations to tell the truth? Ethically yes, absolutely. But the uncovering by such as Woodward and Bernstein at the WP, is in the past, except for a few. Even then, smoozing of the rich and powerful by newspaper editors and proprieters (also rich and very powerful), was commonplace.

In the UK, the Daily Telegraph is owned by a secretive pair of twins; the Barclay brothers. As an example of their dereliction of journalistic ethics, as other papers and tv news were covering the scandal of HSBC (bank) laundering money from the proceeds of drug trafficking, that paper didn't even mention it. The fact that HSBC had poured a great deal of their advertising budget into the Telegraph had nothing to do with it!

Trump has said he won't give up his exec producer job on the Apprentice show. Who owns that? NBC. Can anyone be sure that negative or not positive stories about Trump won't be spiked by NBC?

Oh, and for all his electioneering, being anti banking, he's appointed another Goldman Sacs exec. The same GS that brought economic collapse.

What are you talking about?! They were the most pro-Hillary next to CNN.

[Big Chicken]

What are you talking about? Your argument gets destroyed so you resort to saying I don't care about other countries? My country is rapidly headed for a civil war because of this. Sorry your cuckdom doesn't matter to me. 

It really is just about maintaining an arrogant tone with you no matter how intellectually bankrupt you are.

Now there is a thought!   What would a US Civil War Redeux look like?   Guessing it would be like a bad Turtledove novel.  How is this for a plot?

So the C.S.A is what?  New England and the east coast as far as D.C. and maybe down to the Rappahannock. The big cities - Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Saint Louis, Denver, Las Vegas and then the West Coast.  Hawaii is probably willing to join but the US military clamps down on them and they stay in the USA.  So who leads the Confederates - east or west?    Jerry Brown?  Nancy Pelosi?  Bill de Blasio?   Liz Warren?

First order of business for the USA is to blockade the big cities - the Milwaukee's, Dallas's, Atlanta's and the like are done inside of two weeks.  No power, no internet, no food - it won't take long.   These aren't Russians holding out at Leningrad - they will most likely fold quickly.    Detroit is interesting in that it is a border town - does Trudeau attempt to help on humanitarian grounds?  I think not but say he does - the bridge and tunnel to Detroit are destroyed by US air power leaving only small boats crossing the Detroit River to provide food.  So maybe the Motor City holds on a little longer.

The confederates will of course ask for more foreign help.  However none will be available.   With the USA dealing with internal issues the Chinese will make their grab for Taiwan and succeed.  The Korean peninsula will become united under Kim Jong Un and finally China will attempt its long awaited vengeance on Japan but will fail.   Putin will move west and re-secure his buffer zone against Europe and will pull the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova  back into the Russian fold.  The Indians will finally have the chance to solve their Pakistan problem and they will do so - but it will be ugly.  In the end, India will regain both Bangladesh and Pakistan.   The Arab nations are not in good shape to go after Israel but they will recognize they will never have a better shot at it - they will try but fail in the end.   In South America a revolution over takes Venezuela but there are no other big changes.  In North America, the Canadians will send food and medical supplies to the Confederates but that will be it.  Officially, Mexico will sit on the side lines but they will sell the Western rebels oil and unofficially some Mexican volunteers will head into California to help the rebel cause.   

Trump will have to decide whether to strike East or West first.  He'll go East first as it is an easier nut to crack and the rebels will have less toys to play with.  With only the naval yards in Maine and Philly they will be vulnerable to naval blockade and they'll get Hanscom and McGuire Air Force Bases plus what ever National Guard units they have.   There won't be much bloodshed - the region can't feed itself and without access to oil, gasoline and natural gas they will be in a pickle.  In desperation, they'll make a drive towards the only strategic spot on US territory within easy reach - Norfolk.  The rebel offensive will be halted at Richmond and they will once again surrender at Appomattox - thus ending rebellion in the East. 

In retribution, Massachusetts, New Jersey will each be broken into two states - east and west.  Pennsylvania and New York will be split into three and Northern Virginia will be split off from the rest of Virginia. 

The confederates will do much better in the West.  They'll pull off an amazing feat and secure a few boomers at the Naval Base at Kitsap and they will have plenty of other military hardware to grab at the big bases in California.  Not wanting to risk confederate nuclear retaliation from the captured SSBN's the US will not risk hitting power stations and the like.   However the United States will risk a  ground attack east from Reno and will eventually take Sacramento and continue on to the Pacific.   With the Western Confederacy now cut in two the rebellion will end with the Treaty of Santa Rosa. 
The United States will regain all military equipment that the confederates seized along with California east of the Sierra Nevada's and all of Oregon and Washington.   Nevada will gain territory east of the Sierras and Arizona will gain some as far as Joshua Tree.   Northern California will become its own state and Washington and Oregon will each be broken into east and west.

The rest of California will be allowed to secede - with the understanding that anyone in rebel territory will be able to freely emigrate back to the United States over a three year period without issue and vice versa.   

[3OctaveFart]

The Harry Turtledove novels are quite a treat, with a little suspension of disbelief (that button be broken on Jackstar).

[Yorkshire pud]

Really? Is he more looney than the people who are lying to you and trying to foment a civil war?

And Alex Jones has never stirred the shit and appealed to the hard of thinking as far as 'gun grabbing' is concerned? If there was a civil war in the US, you can be sure Jones will lead from the back.

[Yorkshire pud]

What are you talking about?! They were the most pro-Hillary next to CNN.

But Clinton is no longer in the game. What is in it for them to support Clinton now? In round figures. Sure, if its all fine and above board, nothing to worry about.

[Yorkshire pud]

Now there is a thought!   What would a US Civil War Redeux look like?   Guessing it would be like a bad Turtledove novel.  How is this for a plot?

So the C.S.A is what?  New England and the east coast as far as D.C. and maybe down to the Rappahannock. The big cities - Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Saint Louis, Denver, Las Vegas and then the West Coast.  Hawaii is probably willing to join but the US military clamps down on them and they stay in the USA.  So who leads the Confederates - east or west?    Jerry Brown?  Nancy Pelosi?  Bill de Blasio?   Liz Warren?

First order of business for the USA is to blockade the big cities - the Milwaukee's, Dallas's, Atlanta's and the like are done inside of two weeks.  No power, no internet, no food - it won't take long.   These aren't Russians holding out at Leningrad - they will most likely fold quickly.    Detroit is interesting in that it is a border town - does Trudeau attempt to help on humanitarian grounds?  I think not but say he does - the bridge and tunnel to Detroit are destroyed by US air power leaving only small boats crossing the Detroit River to provide food.  So maybe the Motor City holds on a little longer.

The confederates will of course ask for more foreign help.  However none will be available.   With the USA dealing with internal issues the Chinese will make their grab for Taiwan and succeed.  The Korean peninsula will become united under Kim Jong Un and finally China will attempt its long awaited vengeance on Japan but will fail.   Putin will move west and re-secure his buffer zone against Europe and will pull the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova  back into the Russian fold.  The Indians will finally have the chance to solve their Pakistan problem and they will do so - but it will be ugly.  In the end, India will regain both Bangladesh and Pakistan.   The Arab nations are not in good shape to go after Israel but they will recognize they will never have a better shot at it - they will try but fail in the end.   In South America a revolution over takes Venezuela but there are no other big changes.  In North America, the Canadians will send food and medical supplies to the Confederates but that will be it.  Officially, Mexico will sit on the side lines but they will sell the Western rebels oil and unofficially some Mexican volunteers will head into California to help the rebel cause.   

Trump will have to decide whether to strike East or West first.  He'll go East first as it is an easier nut to crack and the rebels will have less toys to play with.  With only the naval yards in Maine and Philly they will be vulnerable to naval blockade and they'll get Hanscom and McGuire Air Force Bases plus what ever National Guard units they have.   There won't be much bloodshed - the region can't feed itself and without access to oil, gasoline and natural gas they will be in a pickle.  In desperation, they'll make a drive towards the only strategic spot on US territory within easy reach - Norfolk.  The rebel offensive will be halted at Richmond and they will once again surrender at Appomattox - thus ending rebellion in the East. 

In retribution, Massachusetts, New Jersey will each be broken into two states - east and west.  Pennsylvania and New York will be split into three and Northern Virginia will be split off from the rest of Virginia. 

The confederates will do much better in the West.  They'll pull off an amazing feat and secure a few boomers at the Naval Base at Kitsap and they will have plenty of other military hardware to grab at the big bases in California.  Not wanting to risk confederate nuclear retaliation from the captured SSBN's the US will not risk hitting power stations and the like.   However the United States will risk a  ground attack east from Reno and will eventually take Sacramento and continue on to the Pacific.   With the Western Confederacy now cut in two the rebellion will end with the Treaty of Santa Rosa. 
The United States will regain all military equipment that the confederates seized along with California east of the Sierra Nevada's and all of Oregon and Washington.   Nevada will gain territory east of the Sierras and Arizona will gain some as far as Joshua Tree.   Northern California will become its own state and Washington and Oregon will each be broken into east and west.

The rest of California will be allowed to secede - with the understanding that anyone in rebel territory will be able to freely emigrate back to the United States over a three year period without issue and vice versa.

Oh can condense that to total civil unrest and mobs on the streets, looted shops and companies, in about three days. Five tops.

[Dr. MD MD]

And Alex Jones has never stirred the shit and appealed to the hard of thinking as far as 'gun grabbing' is concerned? If there was a civil war in the US, you can be sure Jones will lead from the back.

You're obviously thinking of that wanker, Piers Morgan. Glad we gave him the boot back to Mulsimistan (London). 

[Yorkshire pud]

You're obviously thinking of that wanker, Piers Morgan. Glad we gave him the boot back to Mulsimistan (London). 

No, I'm obviously not. Learn to read.

[Dr. MD MD]

No, I'm obviously not. Learn to read.

I try not to waste too much time on obvious propaganda such as yours. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I try not to waste too much time on obvious propaganda such as yours. 

I'm sure if you ask Jones nicely, he'll let you sniff/kiss his ring. But be nice.

[Big Chicken]

Oh can condense that to total civil unrest and mobs on the streets, looted shops and companies, in about three days. Five tops.

But how can I sell a trilogy about a burned up Little Caesar's?

[Dr. MD MD]

I'm sure if you ask Jones nicely, he'll let you sniff/kiss his ring. But be nice.

We don't engage in that kind of toadying in this country. However, this reminds me, isn't it time for the queen's fluffing?

[Yorkshire pud]

But how can I sell a trilogy about a burned up Little Caesar's?

Expand it to the rest of all commercial locations and we can make it ten volumes. Not a mere trilogy.

[Big Chicken]

I'm sure if you ask Jones nicely, he'll let you sniff/kiss his ring. But be nice.

Be very nice.  He's hepped up on Brainforce and DNA Super Boost or whatever.

[Yorkshire pud]

You're obviously thinking of that wanker, Piers Morgan. Glad we gave him the boot back to Mulsimistan (London). 

One of very many..another Jones prediction that never came to fruition...never mind. 


https://youtu.be/wCgS062FnXg

[Yorkshire pud]

Then one of Jones' accolytes comes out with these pearls of rabble rousing wisdom.


https://youtu.be/FyfkQkchlu4

[Yorkshire pud]

Then at the beggining of this year, nearly three hours of yet more 'predictions'. Kronkite maybe, certainly not Cronkite.


https://youtu.be/qcoroFfmc6I

[PB the Deplorable]

Unless you back up this rather sweeping statement with a few examples and explain where you see the bias, you are guilty of exactly the same thing.

This is like asking someone to prove water is wet.  Pick up any newspaper or turn on any news show, and read or watch the political and social news - try to read it from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't agree with their spin on things. 

For those who mostly agree with their narratives, or who start out thinking they are mere journalists presenting events, it may take a certain amount of time doing the above to begin to recognize it.  For the rest of us it's crystal clear.

Perhaps this escaped your attention, but it's called 'commentary'...

We're not talking about that.  We're talking about items presented as news articles.  There are plenty of commentators on the right who tell you they are commentators and are giving their opinion.  Those doing the same on behalf of the Democrat Party offer theirs up as straight news. 

[21st Century Man]

Now there is a thought!   What would a US Civil War Redeux look like?   Guessing it would be like a bad Turtledove novel.  How is this for a plot?

So the C.S.A is what?  New England and the east coast as far as D.C. and maybe down to the Rappahannock. The big cities - Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Saint Louis, Denver, Las Vegas and then the West Coast.  Hawaii is probably willing to join but the US military clamps down on them and they stay in the USA.  So who leads the Confederates - east or west?    Jerry Brown?  Nancy Pelosi?  Bill de Blasio?   Liz Warren?

First order of business for the USA is to blockade the big cities - the Milwaukee's, Dallas's, Atlanta's and the like are done inside of two weeks.  No power, no internet, no food - it won't take long.   These aren't Russians holding out at Leningrad - they will most likely fold quickly.    Detroit is interesting in that it is a border town - does Trudeau attempt to help on humanitarian grounds?  I think not but say he does - the bridge and tunnel to Detroit are destroyed by US air power leaving only small boats crossing the Detroit River to provide food.  So maybe the Motor City holds on a little longer.

The confederates will of course ask for more foreign help.  However none will be available.   With the USA dealing with internal issues the Chinese will make their grab for Taiwan and succeed.  The Korean peninsula will become united under Kim Jong Un and finally China will attempt its long awaited vengeance on Japan but will fail.   Putin will move west and re-secure his buffer zone against Europe and will pull the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova  back into the Russian fold.  The Indians will finally have the chance to solve their Pakistan problem and they will do so - but it will be ugly.  In the end, India will regain both Bangladesh and Pakistan.   The Arab nations are not in good shape to go after Israel but they will recognize they will never have a better shot at it - they will try but fail in the end.   In South America a revolution over takes Venezuela but there are no other big changes.  In North America, the Canadians will send food and medical supplies to the Confederates but that will be it.  Officially, Mexico will sit on the side lines but they will sell the Western rebels oil and unofficially some Mexican volunteers will head into California to help the rebel cause.   

Trump will have to decide whether to strike East or West first.  He'll go East first as it is an easier nut to crack and the rebels will have less toys to play with.  With only the naval yards in Maine and Philly they will be vulnerable to naval blockade and they'll get Hanscom and McGuire Air Force Bases plus what ever National Guard units they have.   There won't be much bloodshed - the region can't feed itself and without access to oil, gasoline and natural gas they will be in a pickle.  In desperation, they'll make a drive towards the only strategic spot on US territory within easy reach - Norfolk.  The rebel offensive will be halted at Richmond and they will once again surrender at Appomattox - thus ending rebellion in the East. 

In retribution, Massachusetts, New Jersey will each be broken into two states - east and west.  Pennsylvania and New York will be split into three and Northern Virginia will be split off from the rest of Virginia. 

The confederates will do much better in the West.  They'll pull off an amazing feat and secure a few boomers at the Naval Base at Kitsap and they will have plenty of other military hardware to grab at the big bases in California.  Not wanting to risk confederate nuclear retaliation from the captured SSBN's the US will not risk hitting power stations and the like.   However the United States will risk a  ground attack east from Reno and will eventually take Sacramento and continue on to the Pacific.   With the Western Confederacy now cut in two the rebellion will end with the Treaty of Santa Rosa. 
The United States will regain all military equipment that the confederates seized along with California east of the Sierra Nevada's and all of Oregon and Washington.   Nevada will gain territory east of the Sierras and Arizona will gain some as far as Joshua Tree.   Northern California will become its own state and Washington and Oregon will each be broken into east and west.

The rest of California will be allowed to secede - with the understanding that anyone in rebel territory will be able to freely emigrate back to the United States over a three year period without issue and vice versa.

Quite imaginative.  Well done, BC. Maybe we can give you an early parole.

[albrecht]

Now there is a thought!   What would a US Civil War Redeux look like?   Guessing it would be like a bad Turtledove novel.  How is this for a plot?

So the C.S.A is what?  New England and the east coast as far as D.C. and maybe down to the Rappahannock. The big cities - Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Saint Louis, Denver, Las Vegas and then the West Coast.  Hawaii is probably willing to join but the US military clamps down on them and they stay in the USA.  So who leads the Confederates - east or west?    Jerry Brown?  Nancy Pelosi?  Bill de Blasio?   Liz Warren?
The rest of California will be allowed to secede - with the understanding that anyone in rebel territory will be able to freely emigrate back to the United States over a three year period without issue and vice versa.

Wouldn't Mexico take Southern California? They have a Fifth Column there already. I could see N.California and the Ag areas not going along with the secession or wanting to form their own country, maybe with the rural parts of Oregon and Washington. Also would troops, even stationed in the secessionist countries, go along with it? I doubt, unlike the old days, they have allegience to their state and many come from small towns, rural areas, and tend to me more conservative. Lastly, wouldn't Texas use this idea to become a country again also? We have a history, our own energy grid, and would like to deal with the border issues (Austin and severe urban areas aside.) Or, since the USA is going the right direction again would Texas want to stay in and fight the secessionists? Along those lines would the police and gun-owners, tend to be more conservative, go along with the secessions in their States? Or would they be a resistence force?

[Lt.Uhura]

We're not talking about that.  We're talking about items presented as news articles.  There are plenty of commentators on the right who tell you they are commentators and are giving their opinion.  Those doing the same on behalf of the Democrat Party offer theirs up as straight news.

It's beyond accusing MSM as presenting biased news when people like this form their opinions (and vehemently defend them) from sources like Facebook.  "Google it"!

“Did you hear the president say illegal people could vote?” Camerota remarked.
“Yes!” the entire panel exclaimed. One panelist encouraged Camerota to “Google it, you can find it on Facebook.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/watch-cnn-host-loses-it-when-trump-supporters-claim-california-allows-3-million-illegal-votes/

Facepalm indeed.

[chefist]

Check out @DanScavino's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/807705753914109954?s=09

[21st Century Man]

Check out @DanScavino's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/807705753914109954?s=09

I worry about his safety at all these public events.  Someone is going to take a potshot at him one day.

[CornyCrow]

I heard that Pence is the guy reading the daily presidential briefings.  I wonder if Pence will be to Trump what Cheney was to W? 

[Lt.Uhura]

I heard that Pence is the guy reading the daily presidential briefings.  I wonder if Pence will be to Trump what Cheney was to W?

It makes it difficult to sit in on intelligence briefings when you come out and publicly denounce the integrity of the apparatus whose job is gathering the information being briefed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-intelligence-community-232463

[Dr. MD MD]

It makes it difficult to sit in on intelligence briefings when you come out and publicly denounce the integrity of the apparatus whose job is gathering the information being briefed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-intelligence-community-232463

This makes me respect his intelligence even more. 

[albrecht]

It makes it difficult to sit in on intelligence briefings when you come out and publicly denounce the integrity of the apparatus whose job is gathering the information being briefed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-intelligence-community-232463

One of the things that needs to change. The folks who didn't predict the collapse (if you believe the official history  ) of the USSR, 9/11, WMDs and latest war, ISIS, etc. And who ignore, until they commit peaceful actions, the various and sundry Islamic who "were on our radar" shooters and bombers due to political correctness or incompetence. In that light though it is a tough job and hard to stop a juggernaut, even steer, quickly. Every President has this problem. They are in office for a short time, when compared to the 'deep state' of people whose whole careers are in government and run the day-to-day operations and have agendas long-term- for good or ill. (This can be a stabilizing force and be a good thing, then again, it also can be a bad thing.)

[WOTR]

But the point here is the US media has gone beyond the pale of any sort of journalistic integrity to the point it's nothing but propaganda that's being used to incite idiots.

I look forward to the day when there are more than 77 journalists killed in a single year.  It is time that we finally struck some fear into the hearts of these so called "reporters" who are nothing more than propaganda machines.  These people are directly responsible for inciting riots and lootings and must be held accountable for their false reporting.

I mean really?  7 journalists killed in the US since 1992?  Certainly America is better than that. 

https://cpj.org/killed/2015/

[Lt.Uhura]

This makes me respect his intelligence even more. 

It's not "intelligence".  It's an unsophisticated, flippant, and emotional reaction by a narcissist.  If he were smart he'd listen intently to all the information provided and give an intelligent, well-reasoned response.