President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/opinion/north-carolinas-sore-loser.html?_r=0

Rigged!!! Oh wait...

[Dr. MD MD]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/opinion/north-carolinas-sore-loser.html?_r=0

Rigged!!! Oh wait...

We all know that it's the NYT that's the sore loser.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

We all know that it's the NYT that's the sore loser.  :

How? Trump said it was a wonderful paper.

[Jackstar]

[ItsOver]

Damn, that sucks ass. 

[Jackstar]

Just ignore him.

[starrmtn001]

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[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZsNKADc4Y

[starrmtn001]

This is pure genius!
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https://youtu.be/8DhzvHU4b3s

[PB the Deplorable]

... Using the term 'leftist' isn't offensive, it's just boring and predictable.

... the only way that most of his [Trump's] supporters got into any sort of college was if they were employed as a janitor.

You're the wordsmith, would both of these sentences appearing in the same post be an example of irony?

[PB the Deplorable]

... As for Muslim hierachy (essentially a right wing ideology) being in tune with homosexuals, yeah, right...

Well the Gay Agenda folks are part of the Fascist Left-wing Progressives here.  And those are the folks that have cultivated Identity Politics, and want that under their tent - which includes the Muslims.  Whether you think so or not.

The real definition of Left-wing is support for a large and growing government - whether that be more regulations, more laws, more taxes, more government interference in our lives.  That certainly includes the use of heavy handed government force when it comes to social issues, instead of letting the people decide. 

As SciFi said, those who want to be left alone for the most part and have a smaller government that does only what the private sector cannot - while setting some rules - we are Centrists.  the true Liberals, in the original sense of the word.

I'm not even sure what 'Right-wing' would be. 


The Muslims?  People living in third world shitholes - or who have recently arrived from there - have no idea what democracy even is, and are not on the 'right-left' spectrum.  Tribalism, I'm-going-to-kill-everyone-who-doesn't-go-to-my-mosque - sounds like people who'd be all for big government to me, as long as it was their leader in charge.  They certainly don't seem to be turning down handouts once they get here.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9PWuIOQ9E

[PB the Deplorable]

Trump has the mind of a child; He games things to suit his disciples, who oddly have all forgotten now that the election was rigged. Oh, and they've forgotten too his promise to get Clinton imprisoned. It'll be fine, because he throws them a new shiny thing to chase after.

Pud, I've noticed three main themes from you on the election.  And fortunately, I'm here to help.

1.  Not all Trump supporters are toothless moonshiners.  Many simply voted against Mrs Clinton, and are quite delighted by his performance so far.  For few if any of his voters, will there be a time when we look back wistfully and wish we'd voted for the fascist.

2. Somehow most people think that everything done in the business world is due to 'greed', and when mistakes are made, when things don't turn out as hoped, or when there were unintended consequences, it's all due to evil.  But when someone in government, er, public service, is incompetent, uses poor judgment, or otherwise screws up, well, they meant well and it's all forgiven and forgotten.  It's of course never about gaining power or the abuse of power

There is no comparison between Trump's missteps along the way, and Mrs. Clinton's behavior.  The things she's done are orders of magnitude worse.  The same goes for her lack of competence and lack of achievement.  Orders of magnitude.

3. Trump is not a Wall St insider, or any other kind of insider.  There is a huge difference between a Corporatist - someone managing fat-cat companies mostly owned by others and who works hand-in-hand with bureaucrats to get what they cannot get legitimately, vs a self made entrepreneur.  If you really think he's such an insider, can you provide a list of true, indisputable, insiders who were with his campaign from the beginning (this should be a slam dunk, the difficulty being to keep it under several dozen names, right?)

[Jackstar]

3. Drumpf is not a Wall St insider, or any other kind of insider.

[PB the Deplorable]

That's quite the extensive list of insiders who supported his campaign

[Jackstar]

quite the extensive list of insiders who supported his campaign

I know, rite?

[Dr. MD MD]

I know, rite?

Scottish?

[Jackstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMZ0GuMWkGE

HONORABLE MENTION: I've never been real impressed with this guy's work, but this interview is legit. Recommended.

Scottish?

I've killed men before for asking too many one word questions, but in your case, I'd make an exception.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGtViqj-ps

[Jackstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otxiT4xtQ5k

There are no accidents.

[SredniVashtar]

You're the wordsmith, would both of these sentences appearing in the same post be an example of irony?

I don't come on here to build bridges, merely to burn them. Anyway, being gratuitously offensive is all part of my charm. You stupid cunt.

[Yorkshire pud]

I don't come on here to build bridges, merely to burn them. Anyway, being gratuitously offensive is all part of my charm. You stupid cunt.

This is why you're consistantly in the top three of most adored posters on here.. and that's just from the butch men. Never change...

[SredniVashtar]

This is why you're consistantly consistently in the top three of most adored posters on here.. and that's just from the butch men. Never change...

FIFY. I deplore this fashionable American illiteracy of yours. I don't want to be the only one flying the flag for correct spelling in this place.

[Yorkshire pud]

FIFY. I deplore this fashionable American illiteracy of yours. I don't want to be the only one flying the flag for correct spelling in this place.

You're not big on favorite airplanes, and colors then? 

Old age is causing my premature dementia, but at least I have an excuse now. 

[SredniVashtar]

I love the word "leftist". It allows one to generalize and do away with minor distinctions so you can actually discuss a subject in a broad big picture sense. Likewise I like the term "right-winger" just as much, and wear the label proudly whenever someone plants it on me. I'm actually a centrist and classical humanist, but I don't fight the label because at the end of the day I know that I fit in the broad category of being a right-winger.

No one is the same. Because of that, we can categorize people all the way down to the individual. This is already happening, one can head to YouTube or Buzzfeed and find all sorts of batshit crazies that refuse to accept such basic conventions as male and female pronouns and invent their own and then change them the week after when their mood changes.

We must accept broader categories when they make sense in a discussion. If we don't, then we can't discuss anything broadly. Which, incidentally, seems to be a goal of many leftists. They seem to want to shut down broad discussion. I refuse.

That kind of thinking might make some sort of vague sense in the bubble of American politics, but if you are anywhere else it tends to get you blank looks. People over there can, with a straight face, talk about a conventional figure like Obama as a 'Marxist', when in Europe he'd line up fairly comfortably with any ordinary politician on the centre-right. I don't pretend to know all the details of Obamacare, but it sounded like it had been so eroded by compromise that there was barely anything left to discuss. But to some of you it was the second coming of Che Guevara.

There are some fairly broad goals that you would subscribe to, if you were on the left, but other than that it's up for grabs, with vastly different shades of views under a pretty large tent. I've never heard people use the word 'leftist', though, without it being packaged together into a sneer about how intolerant they are. Some are, some aren't, and it's too general and lazy to have much purchase with sensible people. Granted, the same can be said of 'right-winger', although people on the right are more likely to accept that denomination with complacency, even pride.

[PB the Deplorable]

That kind of thinking might make some sort of vague sense in the bubble of American politics, but if you are anywhere else it tends to get you blank looks. People over there can, with a straight face, talk about a conventional figure like Obama as a 'Marxist', when in Europe he'd line up fairly comfortably with any ordinary politician on the centre-right...

At least you admit it, although you're far too modest.  Wasn't it Europe that gave us Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, and their various derivatives?  For the most part those have been and are foreign concepts here.  I wouldn't be so quick to sneer at those who don't welcome any of that. 

Pretty much all the major parties in Western Europe are Leftist/Big Government.  When every party is Leftist, the label no longer really differentiates so of course it would cause confusion.

And you're right, Obama would fit in quite well there.  So would the rest of our 'Progressives', whose ascendency here is a fairly recent phenomenon.  Now that most people understand who they are, look at the political landscape here from the state level on up. 

[SredniVashtar]

Wasn't it Europe that gave us Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, and their various derivatives?

Yes, but you got your own back by giving us McDonalds and George Senda.

Apology accepted.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes, but you got your own back by giving us McDonalds and George Senda.

Apology accepted.

And General Motors. Bastards.

[SredniVashtar]

Pretty much all the major parties in Western Europe are Leftist/Big Government.  When every party is Leftist, the label no longer really differentiates so of course it would cause confusion.

Part of the problem is that Americans tend to be rather spoiled and haven't been through the problems that have made a larger state necessary. That's why they don't see the whole issue of Europe with much sophistication - they just don't get it. WW2 is still within living memory to many people here, and that makes a big difference. You also have much more in terms of natural resources than most countries, and your location makes you regard yourselves as an island unto yourselves. It's not your fault, but it's true all the same.

[Yorkshire pud]

At least you admit it, although you're far too modest.  Wasn't it Europe that gave us Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, and their various derivatives?  For the most part those have been and are foreign concepts here.  I wouldn't be so quick to sneer at those who don't welcome any of that. 

Pretty much all the major parties in Western Europe are Leftist/Big Government.  When every party is Leftist, the label no longer really differentiates so of course it would cause confusion.

This Big Government thing is a perception that can be pulled to bits; but the geography of (say) GB compared with the US makes any notion of autonomous communities, depending solely on private enterprise and still be a world player is fanciful. Yes, England is known as a nation of shop keepers, but if it wasn't for 'big government', quite a lot of what the world and yes, the US enjoys everyday, wouldn't, if it weren't for national investment in the UK.

Thatcher wanted and succeeded in destroying 'big government', but look where it got us? We pay more and get less for basic utilities and our public transport system is now a free for all, with little concern in making it affordable, usable or consistent. And to cap it all, its owned primarily by foreign investors. Not one energy company is British owned. Not one. Most water companies are foreign owned. Most railway..All because Thatcher wanted a free market. Well, she got it.