President Donald J. Trump

[Walks_At_Night]

Nice, thanks. Sometimes when I'm bored I get on a kick watching youtubes of race car drivers in various types of the sport doing their 'heel to toe' shifting. Some good stuff. I had an uncle who always got on my nerves (still have an issue about burning out a clutch or stripping gears etc) because he loved timing the rpms in his cars and shifting without using the clutch. And bragging, making sure everyone knew about it. Sure, it works and can be done without problems, but still annoyed me.
This is one of the ultimate need to change your underwear:

That is pretty wild, except it looks like he was flying a starship.   No Raybans, No Man handling the speed shifter, No stoogie..............

[albrecht]

That is pretty wild, except it looks like he was flying a starship.   No Raybans, No Man handling the speed shifter, No stoogie..............

The stoogie for sure was the best. Ha. Smoking likely not a good idea around top-fuel though!!

[Value Of Pi]

Complete fail...you protect the elite and condemn the workers...thin skinned because you know you protect the establishment...

You know, this language is right out of a Communist manifesto or the 1960s counter-culture. That's not what you're about, obviously, but the words are the words. I think the new populist movement desperately needs its own lingo -- and fast. Not only are the politics a huge muddle of ideas but the adopted language is just plain confusing for anyone with a historical frame of reference.

[whoozit]

Note to self: Stay off of the Politics threads - it never changes anyone's views  - ever   :

The problem is expressed so well in the old maxim; "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics".  I have taken plenty of grad and under-grad courses in statistics to realize you can make statistics from a dataset say almost anything.  Unfortunately the raw data is rarely provided so you can make your own judgement, you must rely on a view through the analyzer prism of experience.  An amazing number of people really don't understand that correlation does not imply causation. 

I go onto political threads because I like to see people's reasoning for holding different beliefs.  On occasion you actually see posts that make (should, if you are not some kind of parrot) you reevaluate your own view.  These forays are for personal growth not persuasion of others.  Oh yeah, it also is fun to mock morons that hold beliefs without being able to cogently explain why they hold them.

[RealCool Daddio]

I do not follow Alex Jones... clearly you follow the Dow Jones.... Soros.... Murdoch....etc

You mean Trump's buddy Rupert?  No, I don't pay pay any attention to either of them, they're idiots.

[CornyCrow]

I do not follow Alex Jones... clearly you follow the Dow Jones.... Soros.... Murdoch....etc

The stance of many of us is based on how well WE are doing in the current setup.  We often live lives insulated from others of other groups, or if we see them we think THEY must be doing things wrong, because I made it.  We are now told that generations of Americans are doing worse than did their parents.  We used to have an economy from which the poor were squeezed (but it was much easier to work your way up, then).  Now, the middle class is being hit.  If someone IS having a good time from this economy, it's not your average American.

Where does the massive appeal of Elizabeth Warren come from? 

[The King of Kings]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-neck-and-neck-in-national-race/

Poll: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump neck-and-neck in national race

[albrecht]

You mean Trump's buddy Rupert?  No, I don't pay pay any attention to either of them, they're idiots.

As well you know, and as I've mentioned before, Rupert is a Billary person but, mainly, is in it for the money and view/readership. He is not as political as, say, Soros, Koch bros, etc. More like GS and the real big boys in that by funding both sides they figure whatever happens will be ok (caveat, now the situation differs with Sanders and, possibly, Trump that this doesn't apply.)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/11/rupert-murdoch-hillary-clinton-and-politics-2016.html

[CornyCrow]

Trump was at first neutral on the Palestinian issue, then he supports the two-state solution, and now he's going to let Israel decide this issue. 

This is speculation, but perhaps Trump needs money desperately and the Koch's want nothing to do with him, so his last appeal is Sheldon Adelson, which is the reason he is becoming such a friend to Israel lately. 

[RealCool Daddio]

Trump getting creamed in battleground states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_battleground_poll,_2016

FiveThirtyEight has Hillary with a 79% chance of winning Whitehouse:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

[TigerLily]

Trump getting creamed in battleground states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_battleground_poll,_2016

FiveThirtyEight has Hillary with a 79% chance of winning Whitehouse:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

And I was already celebrating the Texas win. Im breaking out the bubbly for this news

[The King of Kings]

Trump getting creamed in battleground states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_battleground_poll,_2016

FiveThirtyEight has Hillary with a 79% chance of winning Whitehouse:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

Still early in the race.  No debates, no real campaigning.

Over sampling of democratic voters, so on so forth.

It's odd though, that you are pressing so hard for easily one of the most corrupt politicians ever.

You literally are spending your time promoting someone who takes money from Middle East Despots, Wall St, Big Oil, and Pharma, all the while telling everyone she is a "person for the people".

At the same time she is signing waivers allowing armies that use children as soldiers in the Sudan to gain US weaponry.

She is allowing people with no experience or qualifications sit on sensitive state department seats that deal with nuclear weapons simply because that person donated to the Clinton Foundation.

Her own Husband is close friends with a Pedophile who jaunted Bill Clinton all over the globe and to his private island.

Her own Husband raped, assaulted and harassed scores of women, while she called these women names and denigrated them.

She and her husband worked and helped pass legislation that toughened sentences and sent scores of black people to unnecessarily long jail terms during the time these "private prisons" started to appear.  Remember when she called black people "super predators", and she wanted to "bring them to heel"?

Go on and promote Hillary, but I don't know how someone who holds certain political philosophies could promote someone like that.

[21st Century Man]

Trump getting creamed in battleground states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_battleground_poll,_2016

FiveThirtyEight has Hillary with a 79% chance of winning Whitehouse:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

Not a criticism but I find it odd that Real Clear Politics does not list Ballotpedia's polls.  Are they a new organization? Frankly I haven't heard of them before.  RCP does have two new Quinnipiac polls listed though and show the race is getting tighter.  Clinton leads by 2 points in both polls well within the margin of error so they are basically a tie.

Clinton 42%
Trump 40%

Clinton 39%
Trump 37%
Johnson  8%
Stein 4%

[The King of Kings]

Not a criticism but I find it odd that Real Clear Politics does not list Ballotpedia's polls.  Are they a new organization? Frankly I haven't heard of them before.  RCP does have two new Quinnipiac polls listed though and show the race is getting tighter.  Clinton leads by 2 points in both polls well within the margin of error so they are basically a tie.

Clinton 42%
Trump 40%

Clinton 39%
Trump 37%
Johnson  8%
Stein 4%

Tying is "crushing" Donald Trump.  It's feminism!

[VtaGeezer]

Trump getting creamed in battleground states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_battleground_poll,_2016

FiveThirtyEight has Hillary with a 79% chance of winning Whitehouse:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/nate-silver-who-will-be-president-prediction-224931

Cherry picking.  RCP shows Clinton's lead in battleground states is no better than 4%, except WI at 8%. Nationally it's 2%. But its meaningless at this stage.  The apathetic voters in the middle who will decide this election won't pay attention until October.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[Lt.Uhura]

Trump was at first neutral on the Palestinian issue, then he supports the two-state solution, and now he's going to let Israel decide this issue. 

This is speculation, but perhaps Trump needs money desperately and the Koch's want nothing to do with him, so his last appeal is Sheldon Adelson, which is the reason he is becoming such a friend to Israel lately.

That and his ambitious daughter and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who seem to be making opportunistic and calculated maneuvers to enter the political arena via Trump.  Like her dad, Ivanka and her husband are also undeterred by their complete lack of experience.  There were rumors that Lewendowski's dismissal was a result of his refusal to allow Kushner and Ivanka to advise Trump on Israel affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/31/jared_kushner_trumps_unlikely_wing_man.html

[TigerLily]

Trump was at first neutral on the Palestinian issue, then he supports the two-state solution, and now he's going to let Israel decide this issue. 

This is speculation, but perhaps Trump needs money desperately and the Koch's want nothing to do with him, so his last appeal is Sheldon Adelson, which is the reason he is becoming such a friend to Israel lately.

What happened to tiny donald the rebel who won't be bought by big money?

[Value Of Pi]

What happened to tiny donald the rebel who won't be bought by big money?

And will his supporters object to him going back on his vows to self-finance and insulate himself from the influence of big money? He is also now walking back his promise to ban Muslims from entering the country. Will that be a problem for them? At what point might they be convinced (or even start to wonder) that he was lying to them and manipulating them the whole time?

[WOTR]

What happened to tiny donald the rebel who won't be bought by big money?

He was always just an illusion.

[RealCool Daddio]

Not a criticism but I find it odd that Real Clear Politics does not list Ballotpedia's polls.  Are they a new organization? Frankly I haven't heard of them before.  RCP does have two new Quinnipiac polls listed though and show the race is getting tighter.  Clinton leads by 2 points in both polls well within the margin of error so they are basically a tie.

Clinton 42%
Trump 40%

Clinton 39%
Trump 37%
Johnson  8%
Stein 4%

Ballotpedia is new to polling, but my understanding is that they are a non-partisan org that gives voters a single point of contact for ballot information.  They seem to have been around for a while, and aren't in the "news" business.  Not sure why they got into polling, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of bias left or right on their site.

I like RCP as well, no qualms with the numbers you pasted.  Nate Silver is well regarded by both parties, and FiveThirtyEight has a pretty good track record for accuracy.  I was pretty surprised that he had Hillary at 79%.  Would have expected 55-60, but swing states are looking bad for Trump it seems.

Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball projection was updated a few days ago, into it was also very bad news for Trump.  Electoral college projections of 347 Dem/191 GOP.  I find EC projections to be more informative - 52-48 of popular vote can seem like a dead heat, but where the 52% is on the map is far more important.  You can find it here:

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

Edit:

Just checked 538, and it has changed to 80.6% for Clinton, 19.3 for Trump - guessing 0.1 for Johnson. They have EC at 353 Clinton, 183.7 Trump, and 1.3 Johnson

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

[CornyCrow]

Still early in the race.  No debates, no real campaigning.

Over sampling of democratic voters, so on so forth.

It's odd though, that you are pressing so hard for easily one of the most corrupt politicians ever.

You literally are spending your time promoting someone who takes money from Middle East Despots, Wall St, Big Oil, and Pharma, all the while telling everyone she is a "person for the people".

At the same time she is signing waivers allowing armies that use children as soldiers in the Sudan to gain US weaponry.

She is allowing people with no experience or qualifications sit on sensitive state department seats that deal with nuclear weapons simply because that person donated to the Clinton Foundation.

Her own Husband is close friends with a Pedophile who jaunted Bill Clinton all over the globe and to his private island.

Her own Husband raped, assaulted and harassed scores of women, while she called these women names and denigrated them.

She and her husband worked and helped pass legislation that toughened sentences and sent scores of black people to unnecessarily long jail terms during the time these "private prisons" started to appear.  Remember when she called black people "super predators", and she wanted to "bring them to heel"?

Go on and promote Hillary, but I don't know how someone who holds certain political philosophies could promote someone like that.

KoK, it's not that they love Hillary more, but that they love Trump less. 

[CornyCrow]

Not a criticism but I find it odd that Real Clear Politics does not list Ballotpedia's polls.  Are they a new organization? Frankly I haven't heard of them before.  RCP does have two new Quinnipiac polls listed though and show the race is getting tighter.  Clinton leads by 2 points in both polls well within the margin of error so they are basically a tie.

Clinton 42%
Trump 40%

Clinton 39%
Trump 37%
Johnson  8%
Stein 4%

If you look at Real Clear Politics, which includes Quinnipiac, she does have but a small lead in some polls, but the fact that she leads in ALL of them is telling.  Also, look at her war chest for the propaganda machine and Trump being so broke that he is taking a salary out of his contributions.  And now, he's changed his mind on the Palestinians (which is his right), and I just have a suspicion that he's laying the groundwork to hit Sheldon Adelson for a contribution. 

[CornyCrow]

Tying is "crushing" Donald Trump.  It's feminism!

I am probably voting for the Green Party, but if Elizabeth Warren becomes Hillary's running mate, I will enthusiastically vote for her.  I adore Warren.  I perceive Warren and Sanders as honest people, and honesty would be refreshing. 

[CornyCrow]

What happened to tiny donald the rebel who won't be bought by big money?

Yes.  The fact that he's funneling off contribution money as a salary for him and will not make public his tax returns makes me think he tries to project that he's wealthier than he is.  Maybe he is interested in the Presidency only to make more 'deals' for his enterprises? 

[21st Century Man]

Ballotpedia is new to polling, but my understanding is that they are a non-partisan org that gives voters a single point of contact for ballot information.  They seem to have been around for a while, and aren't in the "news" business.  Not sure why they got into polling, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of bias left or right on their site.

I like RCP as well, no qualms with the numbers you pasted.  Nate Silver is well regarded by both parties, and FiveThirtyEight has a pretty good track record for accuracy.  I was pretty surprised that he had Hillary at 79%.  Would have expected 55-60, but swing states are looking bad for Trump it seems.

Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball projection was updated a few days ago, into it was also very bad news for Trump.  Electoral college projections of 347 Dem/191 GOP.  I find EC projections to be more informative - 52-48 of popular vote can seem like a dead heat, but where the 52% is on the map is far more important.  You can find it here:

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

Edit:

Just checked 538, and it has changed to 80.6% for Clinton, 19.3 for Trump - guessing 0.1 for Johnson. They have EC at 353 Clinton, 183.7 Trump, and 1.3 Johnson

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

I don't have a beef with those numbers either.  Trump needs to make a better effort to bring traditional Republicans back into the fold.  He won't win unless he has their support. That is the bitter reality of it and Trumpsters need to wake up to that fact.

[21st Century Man]

I am probably voting for the Green Party, but if Elizabeth Warren becomes Hillary's running mate, I will enthusiastically vote for her.  I adore Warren.  I perceive Warren and Sanders as honest people, and honesty would be refreshing.

Sanders honest, yes.  Warren, hell no.

[Value Of Pi]

Sanders honest, yes.  Warren, hell no.

Just for the record, which side were you on when playing Cowboys and Indians? (Maybe that was before your time.)

[aldousburbank]

Just for the record, which side were you on when playing Cowboys and Indians? (Maybe that was before your time.)

Bovine Management Technicians and 1st Nation Native Americans is the preferred nomenclature.

[21st Century Man]

Just for the record, which side were you on when playing Cowboys and Indians? (Maybe that was before your time.)

I liked to play both sides.  I have real Choctaw Indian blood in me  but I've always proclaimed myself Caucasian.  I am proud of my heritage though.  I hold Warren in much contempt for lying on an application.  When I was a kid, I actually looked like an Indian child.  Not so much now but I see traces of it in my face.  I'm a brunette though my Mom had totally black hair as did her Mom.  They only had a bit of gray in their hair when they died in their late 70's and 80's.

[Value Of Pi]

Bovine Management Technicians and 1st Nation Native Americans is the preferred nomenclature.

BMTs and INNAs in kidspeak, I guess. Doesn't have the romance of Cowboys and Indians, though.

I don't wanna play and you can't make me!