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Quote from: Kidnostad3 on November 06, 2019, 10:42:34 AM
Dem gains are due to the constant influx of legal and illegal immigrants who settle in Fairfax, Prince William and Arlington counties and the resulting flight of former long term generational residents to more distant places.  These immigres correctly see the greater Washington D.C. area as a big tit that offers ready access to welfare benefits and government employment either directly or through contract work (Beltway Banditry) or in the vast retail/service industry that has grown up in and around the seat of Federal Government.  (Residents of the greater D.C. area have the highest per capita income in the U.S. and the area is pretty much recession proof.)  The same is true of Greater Richmond and to a lesser degree the Tidewater Area.  It's no wonder the Dems want to keep the borders open and already bloated Federal and state governments expanding through the efforts of entrenched politicians assisted by mid grade and senior career civil servants, 95% of whom are Dems and benefit from Government largess in multiple ways.

There's a lot to unpack here.  Let me address it in the order of presentation.

* Immigrants can't vote.  So the loss of voters is limited to the "flight" that you mentioned.  I hope that you can see that this plays right into the narrative that white racists are opposed to immigration.  They would leave their homes where they have lived for generations rather than live amongst non-white people.  Of course trump has played into this sentiment like a tub bass.  And this must be a really significant amount of people in order to have the effect that you cite.  Ten percent of the voters?  It's not just a fringe issue.

* So people who have lived in the same place for generations pack up and move without a fight?  Giving up is really the conservative way, isn't it?

* What happened to this vast number of hard right voters?  They don't leave the country, do they?  So they must end up swelling the ranks of some other state.  But that's not what we see.  They just disappeared, in your version of things, and that can't be true.  So maybe this whole line of thinking is *sniff* *sniff* bullshit, eh amigo?

* Let's talk about immigrants sucking on some mythical tit.  Forty-five percent -- almost half -- of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children, totaling 223 businesses (101 founded by immigrants, 122 by their children). That's a $6.1 trillion economic impact in 2019 to go along with 13.5 million jobs created thanks to immigrants.  That's more than the GDP of every country in the world except the USA and China.  Immigrants also contribute more in tax revenue than they receive in government benefits, so they are a net benefit to the US economy.  As for illegal immigrants -- and I'm not trying to support them by saying this -- they pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes. 

If you keep making up excuses that comfort you rather than dealing with reality, you are going to be in for a lot of bad surprises.  trump had his time, and now it is all crashing down on him.  He has almost zero loyalty in the Senate; there are a significant fraction of Pubs who would flip on him in a heartbeat if it didn't harm them politically.  The country is getting tired of trump's bullshit.  If the Dems nominate someone who doesn't scare people, Klobuchar or Buttigieg or even Biden rather than Warren or Sanders, then trump will lose in a landslide.

If you want to advance the causes that you believe in, then work to nominate someone that reflects them other than trump.  Otherwise, have fun spending the next eight years or more make excuses about how liberals are ruining everything in your life.  Word to the wise.

Quote from: Jackstar on November 06, 2019, 01:49:36 PM


Jesus fucking Christ on a unicycle, stop pandering.  It's unbecoming, especially on you.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Jesus fucking Christ on a unicycle, stop pandering.  It's unbecoming, especially on you.

Great minds think alike, you disgusting piece of human refuse. ;)

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
There's a lot to unpack here.  Let me address it in the order of presentation.

* Immigrants can't vote.  So the loss of voters is limited to the "flight" that you mentioned.  I hope that you can see that this plays right into the narrative that white racists are opposed to immigration.  They would leave their homes where they have lived for generations rather than live amongst non-white people.  Of course trump has played into this sentiment like a tub bass.  And this must be a really significant amount of people in order to have the effect that you cite.  Ten percent of the voters?  It's not just a fringe issue.

* So people who have lived in the same place for generations pack up and move without a fight?  Giving up is really the conservative way, isn't it?

* What happened to this vast number of hard right voters?  They don't leave the country, do they?  So they must end up swelling the ranks of some other state.  But that's not what we see.  They just disappeared, in your version of things, and that can't be true.  So maybe this whole line of thinking is *sniff* *sniff* bullshit, eh amigo?

* Let's talk about immigrants sucking on some mythical tit.  Forty-five percent -- almost half -- of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children, totaling 223 businesses (101 founded by immigrants, 122 by their children). That's a $6.1 trillion economic impact in 2019 to go along with 13.5 million jobs created thanks to immigrants.  That's more than the GDP of every country in the world except the USA and China.  Immigrants also contribute more in tax revenue than they receive in government benefits, so they are a net benefit to the US economy.  As for illegal immigrants -- and I'm not trying to support them by saying this -- they pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes. 

If you keep making up excuses that comfort you rather than dealing with reality, you are going to be in for a lot of bad surprises.  trump had his time, and now it is all crashing down on him.  He has almost zero loyalty in the Senate; there are a significant fraction of Pubs who would flip on him in a heartbeat if it didn't harm them politically.  The country is getting tired of trump's bullshit.  If the Dems nominate someone who doesn't scare people, Klobuchar or Buttigieg or even Biden rather than Warren or Sanders, then trump will lose in a landslide.

If you want to advance the causes that you believe in, then work to nominate someone that reflects them other than trump.  Otherwise, have fun spending the next eight years or more make excuses about how liberals are ruining everything in your life.  Word to the wise.

See, right off you start with an such an outright lie that no one should believe anything you say...ever. Legally, illegal immigrants aren’t supposed to vote...but if you don’t require any ID to vote who’s to say who votes?! Your game is thouroughly subpar...even for a RINO lib like you.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
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Voter fraud?  You haven't shown any evidence of this.  So you are saying that faced with voter fraud, a significant fraction of Virginia voters -- who have lived in their homes for generations -- just packed up and left?  That's fucking insane.  Some of those people, I am sure, fought in the military to defend our country.  And they just QUIT?  Without a fight?

You're a fucking retard.  It's shameful that you label these people as cowards, but you don't have any sense of shame at all. 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 07:40:43 PM
Voter fraud?  You haven't shown any evidence of this.  So you are saying that faced with voter fraud, a significant fraction of Virginia voters -- who have lived in their homes for generations -- just packed up and left?  That's fucking insane.  Some of those people, I am sure, fought in the military to defend our country.  And they just QUIT?  Without a fight?

You're a fucking retard.  It's shameful that you label these people as cowards, but you don't have any sense of shame at all.

Takes one to know one.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Takes one to know one.

You don't know jack shit, buddie!  Well, reposting videos that you haven't watched.  You know how to do that, yes sir.  twit

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 07:48:15 PM
You don't know jack shit, buddie!  Well, reposting videos that you haven't watched.  You know how to do that, yes sir.  twit

I’m not your buddy. Ick! Just the thought (shudder)



Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
I’m not your buddy. Ick! Just the thought (shudder)

You're my butt buddie.  Like Suzuki getting railed by trump.  Lube up, runt boy



Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:11:19 PM
What was your favorite part of this video?

When the crowd chanted, String them up! String them up! in reference to the former administration. :)

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:10:28 PM
You're my butt buddie.  Like Suzuki getting railed by trump.  Lube up, runt boy



Yep, it sure is creepy that you have access to anyone’s daughter.


albrecht

Now that the Democrat, and their media, "Russian conspiracy theory" was a dud they move on to a "Ukraine Conspiracy Theory" despite that Bill Clinton HIMSELF advocated and signed and made it LAW. And previous the Democrats, and their media, claimed that the Ukraine and Russia were adversaries- many in the so-called "Deep" or "Security State" also promote this idea (hence complaints about not enough weapon-sales and so on.) And the treaty specifically is about the Ukraine and the USA investigating corruption.  If they didn't investigate the Biden's ventures, and political actions, it might violate the Treaty and US law. (And Ukrainian and a UN Convention.)


https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf




Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Yep, it sure is creepy that you have access to anyone’s daughter.

Just you, buddie.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Just you, buddie.

This sentence makes no sense. However, that’s not unusual for you.

William Barr Declined To Hold Press Conference Clearing Trump Over Ukraine: Report

Attorney General William Barr declined to hold a press conference to clear President Donald Trump of wrongdoing in his phone call with the president of Ukraine, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

People familiar with the matter told the Post that Trump wanted Barr to publicly state he had broken no laws when he pressured Ukraine’s leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and his son during the July 25 phone call.

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-declined-trump-ukraine-press-conference.html

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
William Barr Declined To Hold Press Conference Clearing Trump Over Ukraine: Report

Attorney General William Barr declined to hold a press conference to clear President Donald Trump of wrongdoing in his phone call with the president of Ukraine, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

People familiar with the matter told the Post that Trump wanted Barr to publicly state he had broken no laws when he pressured Ukraine’s leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and his son during the July 25 phone call.

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-declined-trump-ukraine-press-conference.html

Why would he lend any credibility to this obvious farce?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
Why would he lend any credibility to this obvious farce?

By denying that trump committed any crime.

Good thinking, needle-dick.  That MUST be the reason.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 09:06:14 PM
By denying that trump committed any crime.

Good thinking, needle-dick.  That MUST be the reason.

Prey on any single women’s daughters lately?



albrecht

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
William Barr Declined To Hold Press Conference Clearing Trump Over Ukraine: Report

Attorney General William Barr declined to hold a press conference to clear President Donald Trump of wrongdoing in his phone call with the president of Ukraine, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

People familiar with the matter told the Post that Trump wanted Barr to publicly state he had broken no laws when he pressured Ukraine’s leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and his son during the July 25 phone call.

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-declined-trump-ukraine-press-conference.html
Yet just some short time ago the Democrat media demanded recusal? But, I guess, because it was just the connected pedo stuff?

https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/

But Clinton signed into law requiring our countries (USA and Ukraine) cooperate in criminal and corruption investigations (in addition to the UN stuff on same.) But, now, we shouldn't because it was Bidens? Or because, all of a sudden, even Democrats are bitching about less arms sales? (That actually went through before, by the way, and in a legal, non-Benghazi style or Iran-Contra style arms deal.)


https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf




Kidnostad3

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
William Barr Declined To Hold Press Conference Clearing Trump Over Ukraine: Report

Attorney General William Barr declined to hold a press conference to clear President Donald Trump of wrongdoing in his phone call with the president of Ukraine, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

People familiar with the matter told the Post that Trump wanted Barr to publicly state he had broken no laws when he pressured Ukraine’s leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and his son during the July 25 phone call.

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-declined-trump-ukraine-press-conference.html

Pompeo made it clear that no quid pro quo was suggested during the call.  Why would he hold a presser where
fucking idiots like you

Kidnostad3

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on November 06, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
William Barr Declined To Hold Press Conference Clearing Trump Over Ukraine: Report

Attorney General William Barr declined to hold a press conference to clear President Donald Trump of wrongdoing in his phone call with the president of Ukraine, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

People familiar with the matter told the Post that Trump wanted Barr to publicly state he had broken no laws when he pressured Ukraine’s leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and his son during the July 25 phone call.

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-declined-trump-ukraine-press-conference.html


"Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on ABC's "This Week" that he never saw the kind of quid pro quo that acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney referred to on Thursday with regard to the decision-making process he was involved in on Ukraine." 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/secretary-state-mike-pompeo-mulvaney-quid-pro-quo/story?id=66390069

Pompeo has at least 6 times publicly denied hearing any sort of quid pro quo discussed during Trump's phone call.  Why would he hold a presser to deny it again.  It would only give hostile reporters another chance to ask the same question 10 different ways and ignore or misrepresent the responses.  Notwithstanding what one's opinion of Trump is, anyone with a firing brain synapse and any sense of fairness, decency and love of country would recognize that the MSM is the driving force behind a coup attempt.  If there were any degree of objective reporting where Trump and Republicans are concerned, coup plotters within the government and in the private sector would be on trial or already doing time for their treason. 






starramus

November 4, 2019
The Boos at the Ballgame Were Just the Beginning, Mr. Trump
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The cry of the mighty who are falling is growing louder. In the case of the USA it’s a combination of angry accusations based on a confused bluster of humanity in the White House whose phalanx of fools exists so deep within its own perception of itself its members cannot conceive of their leader being booed at a national sporting event. Then again, neither can certain conservative pundits who do not like the man in the White House but slobber their servitude to the building’s presence as some monument of integrity and honor. Honor in DC is a presumption I won’t ever make, not even among those who are not thieves. I have more respect for the dope slingers and their customers, the hookers and their johns, and the panhandlers who sleep in places most of us never knew existed, than I do for the politicians and their paymasters. At least the former do a day’s work and rarely misrepresent their intentions.

In other nations, the streets are consumed with protest against the failed leaders whose ill-gotten riches are failing to protect them from the wrath of those from whom they were stolen. In the grand imperial capital however, the masses are silent for reasons not apparent but all too clear. Too many gringos think they have something invested in that which steals their savings and their futures. They cheer the death of a villain from Iraq who never would have become the villain if they hadn’t encouraged the military invasion and occupation that created him. There is no triumph in a human death, but the bloodthirsty insist otherwise. Those whose conscience is tied to the structure they exist in accept this manipulation of truth and cheer the death of a man whose demise means much less than the media would like us to believe. If the story is even true, that is. Fake news is not a new thing. It used to be called propaganda and we were told only the enemy would stoop to such methods. Of course, anyone with a critical mind unattached to the dogma of their particular State understands that all governments depend on propaganda to keep their populace informed in a manner that serves the ruling interests. Illiteracy is better, but misinformed literacy works equally well. It even provides an illusion of an informed populace.

This is a nation who considers the lousy actor and corporate shill Ronald Reagan to be one of its greatest leadersâ€"the great communicator they call him. He was nothing but a racist shill with a withered peanut for a brain that confused television and the big screen with reality. The fact that Donald Trump, whose years as an asshole boss on the shaming exercise they call reality TV made him a household name in too many households across the United States, was elected president should surprise no one. The fact that he is losing his grip on both the office and his sanity reminds me of a Caligula reprise without the wine and togas. The sycophants he surrounds himself with are too self-involved to realize that riding on his train is not going to be the ticket to their version of heaven whether it’s in the sky or their bank account. He’s gonna’ take a whole shitload of filthy fools who are going along with his con down with him. That is, unless the genuine fascists in his coterie start getting real serious and bring in their militias and fans in the military.

The spectacle known as politics in the United States has become more spectacular in an atrocious way these past few years. Once the impeachment show hits television, it is likely to become even more so. The histrionics from FOXNews and various MSNBC commentators are likely to make a certain amount of the procedure into a partisan debate about Trump, emphasizing that which makes them worship or abhor him. The key to the viewer is to keep the eyes on the prizeâ€"Donald Trump’s departure from the White House and an exodus of his fascist and corrupt co-conspirators. Likewise, remember that those who expose his lies and abuses are not heroes, just players on a stage that demands they testify either as penitents or because they will go to jail if they don’t. The real crimes are the ones no president ever gets impeached for.

The cynic in me questions whether the impeachment trial in the Senate will ever occur. The parameters of the inquiry are quite limited and reek of the imperial stateâ€"a state the Trumpists want for themselves, yet cannot seem to control their leader enough to make it their own. The idiotic and even stupid actions of Trump may do in that section of the capitalist class he claims to represent. The robber barons and their representatives in Congress and across the nation hitched their wagons to the Trump train and are now concerned he won’t be able to bluster and lie his way out of this mess he’s gotten them into. The fact that some of his most vocal supporters in Congress are dumber than a box of rocks does not help their cause. It seems a critical mass of stupidity may have been reached and the fact of Trump’s departure before January 2021 may be realized. If so, the sinking ship that is this nation will not be righted but the captain and crew will be those who brought us to the Trumpist catastrophe in the first placeâ€"the neocons and the neoliberals. The warmongers and Wall Street thieves whose destruction of even the façade of a democratic republic created the cradle that birthed Trumpism and made overt racism and misogyny a way to win the White House again. The brash arrogance of Trump will return to Manhattan and Florida. The polished arrogance that kills foreigners with a smile and not a leer will return to the White House. The ghost of Richard Nixon’s petty-minded impeachable self will be replaced with the ghost of Richard Nixon’s grand and imperial self and Kissinger can die happy. I’ll just be happy when he’s dead.

There is a wild card in this prophecy, however. It is the phenomenon represented by Bernie Sanders’ campaign. Although unlikely he will get past the numerous roadblocks and hastily constructed fences put up to keep candidates like him far from the seats of US power, there is the ever so slight possibility that his supporters’ (who truly believe he can save this trash heap of a republic) optimism will sweep him into power. This is when this writer refers the reader to Bertram Gross’s 1980s tract titled Friendly Fascism, wherein he describes in terms still relevant today how progressive candidates who talk seriously about redistributing the wealth downward instead of upward are blocked. If all else fails, he writes, the assassins will take up their positions, aim and shoot or poison or blow things up or well you get the picture. The monied classes like their money more than they like people, democracy, freedom and each other. That’s why so many of them will put up with Trump’s crassness and crudity. He puts more money in their pockets and makes it seem like the moral thing to do, as if there’s anything really moral about accumulating wealth in the first place.

Many liberal and progressive pundits and their readers look into the nation’s past for comparisons to today’s situation. Of course, they exist: the 1920s, the gilded age of robber barons, Richard Nixon’s final rise and fall. I suggest they look elsewhere if they want a more precise template that Trumpism fits into. That would be the Nazi rise to power in the 1930s. A quick look at that history reveals the manipulation of fears created by a defeat in war, economic insecurity and inequality, liberals unable and unwilling to accept that the nazis were not a normal electoral party, an electoral victory achieved without winning the majority of the votes and a ruthless verbal attack on the pre-existing bureaucratic establishment coinciding with a takeover of most bureaucratic functions by Nazi party functionaries. I can continue: a capitalist class at first uncertain and even opposed to Hitler and his party which eventually supported the party and its goals once they realized how much money they would make. It didn’t take them long to realize that fascism was a great friend of monopoly capital and that its military and police apparatus would dispel those pesky people who believed in democracy. If Trump is not removed, the process his apparatus has begun could achieve a fascism that would put Hitler’s to shame. Remember, you don’t have to be Hitler to be a fascist. As for the neocons and neoliberals, remember that one doesn’t need to be a fascist to be totalitarian.

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