President Donald J. Trump

[3OctaveFart]

21st-Century Man-

A libertarian won't win until there is ironclad campaign finance reform.

Think Paul Ryan wants new schemata for public elections? Think he wants to go work a real job? Someone who has been sucking on the distended public teat for 20 years? Congress won't vote against the interest of its members.

[PB the Deplorable]

Sorry, I mistook a question mark at the end of a sentence to mean that you were asking a question. Silly me. You weren't specific at all, context is everything...

Ok, perhaps you can provide an example of a situation when it would be ok to depict Obama as being murdered.  Don't feel you need to limit your response to a play funded in part with public money, and performed in a public park - movies, books, ''comedy'' routines, a TV episode, a poem - tell me, under what circumstances would people not go nuts, and rightfully so?

[starrmtn001]

THIS is WHY the Deep State is Targeting Trump -- Liz Crokin.
Published on Jun 15, 2017
Please support Liz via Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/LIZCROKIN

Investigative journalist Liz Crokin joins me for an in-depth discussion about the attempted assassination of Rep. Steve Scalise in Alexandria, VA. on Wednesday.

Scalise was shot by a man officials have identified as James Hodgkinson, who was killed in a subsequent shootout with DC capitol police. As is so often the case in these events, the alleged shooter is now dead so there will be no round of questioning, after all dead men tell no tales.

Crokin believes that she knows exactly why an attempt was made on Steve Scalise's life. And it's the exact same reason the elite and deep state are targeting President Trump and trying to get him impeached. Thanks for tuning in.

https://youtu.be/hQVlKc_V3C0

[albrecht]

Excellent interview with Camille Paglia regarding Trump, Islam and transgenders.  I agree with Paglia most of the time.  I consider her to be one of the most intelligent people in our country.  (Hate that sentence.  It doesn't sound right but apparently it is.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/camille-paglia-on-trump-democrats-transgenderism-and-islamist-terror/article/2008464

"Political correctness represents the fossilized institutionalization of once-vital revolutionary ideas, which have become mere rote formulas. It is repressively Stalinist, dependent on a labyrinthine, parasitic bureaucracy to enforce its empty dictates." 

"In a democracy, everyone, no matter how nonconformist or eccentric, should be free from harassment and abuse. But at the same time, no one deserves special rights, protections, or privileges on the basis of their eccentricity." 

And interesting theory that I hadn't thought about:
"Sheila Jeffreys, created a heated controversy in the United Kingdom............ she argues among other things, that the pharmaceutical industry, having lost income when routine estrogen therapy for menopausal women was abandoned because of its health risks, has been promoting the relatively new idea of transgenderism in order to create a permanent class of customers who will need to take prescribed hormones for life.

[PB the Deplorable]

There was, apparently, an exact equivalent in Minneapolis in 2012 with a thin black Caesar and, though the resemblance was noted, people seem to have taken it as the usual bid to make Shakespeare relevant rather than a call to violence...

Knowing what destructive liars the Left are, I doubt very much there was an intended resemblance.  Probably wasn't even an unintended one, other than being black and of a similar age.  Look how they turn everything Trump does into an impeachable event.  Just more divisiveness for the sake of being divisive.

[SredniVashtar]

Ok, perhaps you can provide an example of a situation when it would be ok to depict Obama as being murdered.  Don't feel you need to limit your response to a play funded in part with public money, and performed in a public park - movies, books, ''comedy'' routines, a TV episode, a poem - tell me, under what circumstances would people not go nuts, and rightfully so?

This is your problem: you are very literal-minded. It's all very Manichean, never any shades of grey. I can recall lots of pictures of Obama looking like The Joker, as though a conventional moderate politician were really a sadistic killer. I can recall Obama being called a 'demon', and it was meant literally. Not to mention the birther stuff, as though he wasn't an American at all. All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often. For instance, I can recall your frequent, and tirelessly unamusing attempts to misspell his his name, for reasons of your own. But this is part and parcel of the childishness of most American politics.

There was a book here a few years ago about Maggie Thatcher being murdered and I don't recall people storming the barricades. I can't think of an example that would offend me with Obama or anyone else. It's fiction. You are getting perilously closer to advocating for 'lese majeste' here.

[K_Dubb]

Knowing what destructive liars the Left are, I doubt very much there was an intended resemblance.  Probably wasn't even an unintended one, other than being black and of a similar age.  Look how they turn everything Trump does into an impeachable event.  Just more divisiveness for the sake of being divisive.

Nah they even had Obama-style Caesar posters from this contemporary review:

https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/julius-caesar-guthrie-theater-acting-company-review/

[PB the Deplorable]

This is your problem: you are very literal-minded. It's all very Manichean, never any shades of grey. I can recall lots of pictures of Obama looking like The Joker, as though a conventional moderate politician were really a sadistic killer. I can recall Obama being called a 'demon', and it was meant literally. Not to mention the birther stuff, as though he wasn't an American at all. All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often. For instance, I can recall your frequent, and tirelessly unamusing attempts to misspell his his name, for reasons of your own. But this is part and parcel of the childishness of most American politics.

There was a book here a few years ago about Maggie Thatcher being murdered and I don't recall people storming the barricades. I can't think of an example that would offend me with Obama or anyone else. It's fiction. You are getting perilously closer to advocating for 'lese majeste' here.

None of that threatened the president, was done in an environment of hostility at this level, or advocated him being murdered. 

Lese Majeste?  You know its a crime to threaten the president, right?  And why that is.  Art Bell even claimed he got an unfriendly visit from the Secret Service for even allowing people to predict a presidential assassination on his prediction shows. 

I think its illegal to threaten anyone, or advocate anyone be murdered.  Yet here we are with Julius Caesar as an intentional Donald Trump lookalike being stabbed to death while the crowd roars their approval.  Right after the Kathy Griffin event.  Which is during a full court press bogus attempt to turn him into a fascist dictator and threat to the republic - people like Madonna wanting to burn down the White House, etc, etc, etc.

Either you get it or you don't.  Its ok if you don't.

[albrecht]

This is your problem: you are very literal-minded. It's all very Manichean, never any shades of grey. I can recall lots of pictures of Obama looking like The Joker, as though a conventional moderate politician were really a sadistic killer. I can recall Obama being called a 'demon', and it was meant literally. Not to mention the birther stuff, as though he wasn't an American at all. All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often. For instance, I can recall your frequent, and tirelessly unamusing attempts to misspell his his name, for reasons of your own. But this is part and parcel of the childishness of most American politics.

There was a book here a few years ago about Maggie Thatcher being murdered and I don't recall people storming the barricades. I can't think of an example that would offend me with Obama or anyone else. It's fiction. You are getting perilously closer to advocating for 'lese majeste' here.

Of course there is a difference between satire or even theoreticals versus outright calls for immediate violence or making terroristic threats which are crimes, at least here, even for non-public figures. I know Thailand has specific laws still about simply insulting royals. As do various Muslim lands. Not sure how you Brits handled it, I think it was eliminated? It used to be punished by being drawn and quartered and such (though not done for centuries, I think.)  In Holland people are still punished for it, though for a limited time and Dutch prisons are notorious comfortable (especially compared with US or Russia prisons.)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36799639

[Juan]

Trump just eliminated seven requirements that the government report on efforts to solve the Y2K bug. 17-years later.
MAGA

[albrecht]

Trump just eliminated seven requirements that the government to report on efforts to solve the Y2K bug. 17-years later.
MAGA

Art and especially Gary North are grumbling....

[Juan]

You can still buy your food.

[SredniVashtar]

None of that threatened the president, was done in an environment of hostility at this level, or advocated him being murdered. 

Lese Majeste?  You know its a crime to threaten the president, right?  And why that is.  Art Bell even claimed he got an unfriendly visit from the Secret Service for even allowing people to predict a presidential assassination on his prediction shows.  Yet here we are with Julius Caesar as an intentional Donald Trump lookalike being stabbed to death and the crowd roars their approval.  Right after the Kathy Griffin event.  Which is during a full court press bogus attempt to turn him into a fascist dictator and threat to the republic - people like Madonna wanting to burn down the White House, etc, etc, etc.

Look, either you get it or you don't.  Its ok if you don't.

Lese majeste can be applied far more loosely than that, unfortunately. Before you know it you can have everything being submitted for approval before it is performed. In fact, that has been the case everywhere until fairly recently. That is the road you are heading down. There is a real danger of people walking themselves into a fascist state, where they think they are taking measures for their protection, when they are just letting the fox in the hen-house.

If you seriously think that play should be banned you had better explain why.

[K_Dubb]

Lese majeste can be applied far more loosely than that, unfortunately. Before you know it you can have everything being submitted for approval before it is performed. In fact, that has been the case everywhere until fairly recently. That is the road you are heading down. There is a real danger of people walking themselves into a fascist state, where they think they are taking measures for their protection, when they are just letting the fox in the hen-house.

If you seriously think that play should be banned you had better explain why.

Theater is dangerous â€" remember the Belgian revolution?  Though I tend to think the crowd was moved to raptures over his innovation whereby the leading lady was a mute.

[SredniVashtar]

Theater is dangerous

Particularly if you spell it wrong and some Brit (mentioning no names) stabs you in the eye with his fountain pen.

[21st Century Man]

21st-Century Man-

A libertarian won't win until there is ironclad campaign finance reform.

Think Paul Ryan wants new schemata for public elections? Think he wants to go work a real job? Someone who has been sucking on the distended public teat for 20 years? Congress won't vote against the interest of its members.

Good point and I completely agree.  Just another reason why we should have a convention of states to reform our political system.  Not likely to happen, I know but I can dream.

[21st Century Man]

Particularly if you spell it wrong and some Brit (mentioning no names) stabs you in the eye with his fountain pen.

lol.  K_Dubb, it is theatre not theater.  Remember that.

[K_Dubb]

Particularly if you spell it wrong and some Brit (mentioning no names) stabs you in the eye with his fountain pen.

I sincerely apologize and offer no defense.

[21st Century Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYNUX0g4e8

She comes in colours ev'rywhere
She combs her hair
She's like a rainbow
Coming, colours in the air
Oh, everywhere
She comes in colours

lol

[3OctaveFart]

I have always secretly hoped for a constitutional convention in my lifetime.

It would be great nerdy fun if the average congressperson didn't have the personality of a sea cucumber.

[Dr. MD MD]

lol.  K_Dubb, it is theatre not theater.  Remember that.

Both are actually acceptable.

[Kidnostad3]

Both are a
ctually acceptable.

CONGRESSIONAL BASEBALL UPDATE

Republicans take 2-0 lead in the top of the first.  Lead off batter for Dems singles and then steels second (thieving bastard) on an in-the-dirt pitch to batter #2.

[malachi.martini]

I can recall lots of pictures of Obama looking like The Joker, as though a conventional moderate politician were really a sadistic killer. I can recall Obama being called a 'demon', and it was meant literally. Not to mention the birther stuff, as though he wasn't an American at all. All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often. For instance, I can recall your frequent, and tirelessly unamusing attempts to misspell his his name, for reasons of your own.

Being this disingenuous, lol.  Charming how you vacillate from a transparently asspained media drunk shill, to a measured salesman. Look lads, it's all the same, with one exception of course, the real danger of fascism!  It's like watching any of the morally repugnant DNC shills fumble through interviews, wearing poor approximations of smiles to sell the public on their rubbish.

[PB the Deplorable]

Lese majeste can be applied far more loosely than that, unfortunately. Before you know it you can have everything being submitted for approval before it is performed. In fact, that has been the case everywhere until fairly recently. That is the road you are heading down. There is a real danger of people walking themselves into a fascist state, where they think they are taking measures for their protection, when they are just letting the fox in the hen-house.

If you seriously think that play should be banned you had better explain why.

Banned?  Absolutely not.  Corporate sponsors shamed into defunding - yes.  Public money withdrawn - yes.  Secret Service arranging a ''discussion'' with the various people involved - yes.  Depending on the Secret Service findings, possible arrest and prosecution of the various people involved - yes.  Banned?  Nah.

Isn't it the UK, who banned Michael Savage while letting people threatening the Queen and teach hate and subversion in their mosques roam free?  Or as Pud has mentioned many times, allowed Gerry Adams to roam free, while being put out that we didn't do anything about him when he would come to the US?  In other words we don't need lectures from you on any of this, so kindly butt out. 

How is the prosecution of the Moslem pedophiles coming along anyway - has a Sharia court there let them off?

[Jackstar]

Ok, perhaps you can provide an example of a situation when it would be ok to depict Obama as being murdered.

Taking your question seriously (my old job) since I have the spare time, I would have to say that any depiction that would be in wholly written form would be allowable, certainly.

Actual plotting, of course, would be unlawful, but would be deleted by Hillary anyway.

[Jackstar]

All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often.

Here I frankly disagree. I feel that a culture based on mocking, satire and ridicule adds a great positive dimension to society.

Also your mother.

[Meister_000]

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has been recorded apparently mocking US President Donald Trump

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40284372

I should point out that the media has had a fairly hostile relationship with the current government in Australia, albeit a bit less so than towards the previous PM Tony Abbott.

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/875524079754682368

[Taaroa]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/875524079754682368

There's been speculation today that the recording of this off-the-record event was made and leaked to the media by the leader of the opposition party (ie the party not in power) to damage the prime minister.

[albrecht]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/875524079754682368

Ha. Hopefully, I doubt it but one can hope, Trump will use this an another excuse to end the Obama deal to take Muslim "refugees" from Australia. Let them keep them on their various island leased prison refugee camps or even, if they are really dumb, into their country, but we don't want them here. And this is a good excuse as any, especially since Trump tends to be a bit thin-skinned about humor. Cancel the Australian "refugee" deal, Trump- and announce it by Twitter!   

[21st Century Man]

Both are actually acceptable.

Not in Britain. lol