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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 08:09:36 AM
You could start by specifically giving an example of how personally President Donald Trump has attacked you.

Funny how you don't use that criteria when it comes to Clinton or Obama...

Gd5150

Quote from: Meister_000 on June 12, 2017, 07:15:07 AM
Ya, There REALLY IS "a new Sheriff in Town"  ;D. And he's assembling a whole team of Top Guns too.

But now see Gingrich tweet from May17th: "Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity."

So they must know they're fucked now -- whether from something in Comey's testimony or "other".

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/864998445244743684

Dude, you're batting .000. That's the same as nothing. The same as zero,nada, jack squat. The same as the amount of evidence that's been unconvered after a year of illegal eves dropping and a half dozen investigations into Trump Camp collaboration with Russia. The same as the amount of evidence showing Trump tried to obstruct justice.

Your head must hurt from banging it into the wall so much.
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Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 04:59:52 AM

You can't possibly know there is nothing to the Trump Russia stuff....and believe the stuff that confirms your biases.

bruh, come on.

You seem like an educated person.  Your opinions are articulated well, you possess a large vocabulary, you have a high level of understanding of politics and the historical context in which it exists, that being said, for you to talk about confirmation bias and and accusing someone of that is so extremely laughable given the hypocrisy of your own behavior....

Secondly, James Comey, Director of the FBI said under oath there was no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians.  Diane Feinstein, one of the most virulent "anti-trumpers", someone who sits on several intelligence boards even said a few days ago there was zero evidence.

When you have the Director of the FBI and Diane Feinstein saying there was no evidence, it is rather hard to argue against that, unless you have some unhinged "flat-Earther" level of delusion.

Quote from: Meister_000 on June 12, 2017, 01:12:06 AM
New Smirnoff Votka ads  ;D ;D ;D

So you are applauding a company which manufactures a recreational drug which kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, because they include snark directed at President Donald Trump?

I thought you were a liberal who cared about people?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 12, 2017, 08:27:23 AM
Dude, you're batting .000. That's the same as nothing. The same as zero,nada, jack squat. The same as the amount of evidence that's been unconvered after a year of illegal eves dropping and a half dozen investigations into Trump Camp collaboration with Russia. The same as the amount of evidence showing Trump tried to obstruct justice.

Your head must hurt from banging it into the wall so much.
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You know there's nothing because Trump and Fox news say so?

Oh okay then. Better tell Mueller. Today.

damon

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on June 12, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
You know there's nothing because Trump and Fox news say so?

Oh okay then. Better tell Mueller. Today.
Fox news is not the same anymore. The news channels in the united states give you the talking points for the left or the right. The news channels are just for the zombies drones

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 08:28:19 AM
bruh, come on.

You seem like an educated person.  Your opinions are articulated well, you possess a large vocabulary, you have a high level of understanding of politics and the historical context in which it exists, that being said, for you to talk about confirmation bias and and accusing someone of that is so extremely laughable given the hypocrisy of your own behavior....

Secondly, James Comey, Director of the FBI said under oath there was no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians.  Diane Feinstein, one of the most virulent "anti-trumpers", someone who sits on several intelligence boards even said a few days ago there was zero evidence.

Wrong. Comey was asked if he'd found evidence, and he said no. When asked if he believed there was collusion, he declined to answer in open session.

That doesn't mean there is no evidence, just that so far, he hadn't found any. But being a decades long FBI investigator, you'll know that evidence often doesn't just drop on your lap. Especially when there are many strands to look at.

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When you have the Director of the FBI and Diane Feinstein saying there was no evidence, it is rather hard to argue against that, unless you have some unhinged "flat-Earther" level of delusion.

Odd you're now ysing Feinstein as your appeal to authority. She's not only Jewish, but female too.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 09:06:08 AM
#winning
#MAGA


How is the health bill, tax reform and great wall progressing?

Oh, and the tapes? They being played today, under oath?

Gd5150

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 09:06:08 AM
#winning
#MAGA



They're actually Detroitians looking for a way out. Certainly a much better opportunity for success south of the border than in that Democrat owned crappile. #MMGA 🇲🇽

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 04:59:52 AM

You can't possibly know there is nothing to the Trump Russia stuff. No doubt you were one of those who scoffed about Russian interference, and now even Shirtless Vlad admits it. Like so many, you silo off the information you don't like and believe the stuff that confirms your biases.

Biased?  Maybe so but I doubt anyone would get that from that post.  I criticized those on the right who think Comey will be charged with a crime just as I criticized those on the left about Trump. I'm being fairly even-handed in my observations here.  You are only confirming how warped and to the left you are to take it any other way.


SredniVashtar

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 08:28:19 AM
Secondly, James Comey, Director of the FBI said under oath there was no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians.  Diane Feinstein, one of the most virulent "anti-trumpers", someone who sits on several intelligence boards even said a few days ago there was zero evidence.

When you have the Director of the FBI and Diane Feinstein saying there was no evidence, it is rather hard to argue against that, unless you have some unhinged "flat-Earther" level of delusion.

Leave aside the fact that Trump acts like a guilty man, is desperate to try and exonerate himself at every opportunity, and fired the man investigating him. Maybe he is just an idiot who doesn't understand the consequences of his behaviour. Or the fact that so many people in his circle have connections to Russia. Or that his actions almost always coincide with the wishes of the Kremlin. You could explain those away, I guess.

Nobody said Trump was being investigated, it's his own guilty conscience that made this an issue. The question is whether they discover any malfeasance in his team that then leads to the top, as in Watergate. So far no, but the investigation is still going on. Do you think they are going to blurt everything to the media and jeopardise its progress? No, they wait until they firm it up and then make their case. Don't forget the crucial difference between intelligence and evidence. There may well be a lot of raw data that isn't ready to take to court yet. This business about evidence doesn't mean they found nothing. Trump seems like one of those witnesses who you just let talk and they end up incriminating themselves anyway, so I expect the people looking into it are playing a waiting game.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 10:45:49 AM
Maybe he is just an idiot who doesn't understand the consequences of his behaviour.


I agree with this.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
Biased?  Maybe so but I doubt anyone would get that from that post.  I criticized those on the right who think Comey will be charged with a crime just as I criticized those on the left about Trump. I'm being fairly even-handed in my observations here.  You are only confirming how warped and to the left you are to take it any other way.

My criticisms of Trump have nothing to do with right or left. When I talk about bias I mean the kind of thing where you once said that Hillary was more of a threat than Russia. Trump is holding you hostage because you are terrified of the other side.

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on June 12, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
... Odd you're now ysing Feinstein as your appeal to authority. She's not only Jewish, but female too.

The Fake News Media, and the Democrats in DC, are so corrupt and dishonest one really has to sit up and listen when they say something that deviates from the usual narrative.  Its called ''getting ahead of the story'', CYA, etc.  You know, like the way polls ''tighten'' a few days ahead of an election.

Quote from: b🎱man on June 12, 2017, 10:36:46 AM
https://twitter.com/thisweekabc/status/874299783946551296

Lol "fragrantly"

Remember when no one ever seemed to have standing to challenge Obama in court regarding much of his conduct, including violations of the Constitution?

How do state officials - ''Maryland AGs'' - have standing on this? 


''Constitutional law professor'' Obama had a genius for finding holes in the Constitution and using them to get around it and undermine it.  One of the destructive aspects of his regime was we learned a lawless president can thumb his nose at much of it, and without House Impeachment, and a 2/3 Senate vote on removal, there is nothing the Congress, the Courts, or anyone else can do about it.  And in this high stakes partisan era, there isn't going to be a 2/3 Senate vote on anything of importance.

Is the Court really authorized to make a determination under the emoluments clause?  And then do what?  Or is this for the Congress to consider, with Impeachment (and possibly withholding passage on legislation and approval of appointees) their only recourse?  It seems clear to me the state AGs don't have standing, unless they go judge shopping and find another phony judge to say otherwise.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 10:51:42 AM
My criticisms of Trump have nothing to do with right or left. When I talk about bias I mean the kind of thing where you once said that Hillary was more of a threat than Russia. Trump is holding you hostage because you are terrified of the other side.

I make no bones about it. I think a Hillary presidency would have been worse for America than a Trump presidency.  I think America is in a precarious position at this point in her history. Our freedoms have been eroded by both parties and the courts have become increasingly politicized to the detriment of justice and codified law. Executive power is getting out of hand as Congress has surrendered much of its power to the executive branch. Of course, that is simply my opinion.  Feel free to disagree.

Juan

When you begin law school, one of the first books you buy is a Black's law dictionary. Like many things, the dictionary has an online version. Emolument is clearly defined as the profit arrived from office or employment, or which is annexed to the possession of office as salary.

Paying to stay at a hotel is not an emolument.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 11:04:20 AM
I make no bones about it. I think a Hillary presidency would have been worse for America than a Trump presidency.  I think America is in a precarious position at this point in her history. Our freedoms have been eroded by both parties and the courts have become increasingly politicized to the detriment of justice and codified law. Executive power is getting out of hand as Congress has surrendered much of its power to the executive branch. Of course, that is simply my opinion.  Feel free to disagree.

I don't understand how Trump is an antidote to that, or even a sticking plaster. He is executive power on steroids. If he could find a way to cancel elections, he would.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 11:25:52 AM
I don't understand how Trump is an antidote to that, or even a sticking plaster. He is executive power on steroids. If he could find a way to cancel elections, he would.

I don't think we should just assume that, until we hear from Comey

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 11:25:52 AM
I don't understand how Trump is an antidote to that, or even a sticking plaster. He is executive power on steroids. If he could find a way to cancel elections, he would.

Don't think I have not been concerned about Trump abusing executive power.  I have and I worried about it prior to the election.  His predecessor set a terrible precedent and Trump has straddled the line.  I'll be the first to criticize if I find him in clear violation.  I voted for him because of his promise regarding the Supreme Court.  He did what I wanted so I've got to give him credit for that.  I want him off Twitter and he should stop with these stupid pep rallies.  Yeah, you won the election but it is not about you, Donald.  It is about the country.

Quote from: Juan on June 12, 2017, 11:19:42 AM
When you begin law school, one of the first books you buy is a Black's law dictionary. Like many things, the dictionary has an online version. Emolument is clearly defined as the profit arrived from office or employment, or which is annexed to the possession of office as salary.

Paying to stay at a hotel is not an emolument.

Of course it's not.  And they know that.  Its just another prong in the tactic to distract, disrupt, and delay.  Some might even suggest these tactics taken as a whole are meant to interfere with the outcome of our election.

Now if a foreign government - or anyone else - is wildly overpaying at the resorts in order to gain access or influence, then its a problem.  That is best done through contributions to re-election campaigns, or to phony ''foundations''.


Which reminds me.  Didn't Mrs. Clinton's ''foundation'' accept foreign cash while she was Secretary of State?  Yes, I believe it did.  Where were these concerned citizens and government officials then?

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 12, 2017, 11:56:28 AM
Of course it's not.  And they know that.  Its just another prong in the tactic to distract, disrupt, and delay.  Some might even suggest these tactics taken as a whole are meant to interfere with the outcome of our election.

Now if a foreign government - or anyone else - is wildly overpaying at the resorts in order to gain access or influence, then its a problem.  That is best done through contributions to re-election campaigns, or to phony ''foundations''.


Which reminds me.  Didn't Mrs. Clinton's ''foundation'' accept foreign cash while she was Secretary of State?  Yes, I believe it did.  Where were these concerned citizens and government officials then?

Corruption on a grand scale.  Where was the outrage?

Jackstar

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 11:25:52 AM
I don't understand how Trump is an antidote to that, or even a sticking plaster. He is executive power on steroids.

The U.S. President is an actual figurehead, like your Queen was, before she was possessed by lizards from another dimension.

He has no actual power. He is a puppet. These actions, both real and potential, that you rail against, have nothing to do with the man, Donald J. Trump.


Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2017, 11:25:52 AM
If he could find a way to cancel elections, he would.

Irrelevant. The dude is locked in--he couldn't cancel a drink order.

Jackstar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
Corruption on a grand scale.  Where was the outrage?

Hilary deleted the outrage.

Emoluments Clause

“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8


I don't see anything in there prohibiting George Washington from selling tobacco to foreigners.

We should be encouraging non-lifetime political hacks to run for office, not making it as difficult as possible for them to do so, and relentlessly attacking them when they do.  Although I get why lifetime political hacks would want to do that.

Yorkshire pud

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Reince Priebus Fawns at Trump Cabinet Meeting: It is a ‘Blessing To Serve Your Agenda’

Reince Priebus, the perennially embattled White House Chief of Staff likes his job â€" in fact, he REALLLLY likes his job, and he wants the president and everyone else to know it.

During a cabinet meeting with Trump on Monday, Priebus took a moment to give some remarks about how honored he was to be serving in the administration.

On behalf of the entire senior staff around you Mr. President we thank you for the opportunity and blessing that you’ve given us to serve your agenda and the American people and we’re continuing to work very hard every day to accomplish those goals.”
It’s no secret that Trump basks in the sycophancy of his surrogates. Conservative writer John Podhoretz has even likened those who appear on television on Trump’s behalf as similar to Stalin’s lackeys, but Priebus’ fawning praise is a new level and sounds less Stalin and more Kim Jong Un â€" or possibly Renfield.

Private Eye will be awarding a brown nosing medal.

The thing is, the entire cabinet said similar, and Trump just beamed like the insecure little baby he is. Craving adulation.

Jackstar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 11:52:58 AM
I want him off Twitter and he should stop with these stupid pep rallies.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Jackstar

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on June 12, 2017, 12:02:48 PM
Trump just beamed like the insecure little baby he is. Craving adulation.

How is this any different than when a prince does it?

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