Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 11:37:48 AM☝️ Like I said, he did not "get away with it".
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 02:30:55 PMOnce again, rather than watch it you simply read the title and made up your own story based on that, like the retard you are. Do you really expect me to respond to this shit?! Cuz fuck you, retard is my answer.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 02:36:02 PMI did watch it, there is nothing that shows he is anything other than some overheated chud running his mouth who wasn't prosecuted because he was chickenshit a fed and didn't go in despite telling others to do so.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 02:42:24 PMFIFY
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 02:52:35 PMGood grief. I don't care if he was a fed, that argument is basically that a bunch of hillbilly rustics were led to break the law because they were rage-blinded and dumb. Sucks to be them I feel bad for them, honestly. At least the hot ones.The FBI has been courting informants and plants within white supremacist groups in this part of the country since I was a kid, you guys need to stop freaking out about it and be smarter. Just assume anyone calling for some dumb crime or getting your gurns out or civil-warring in your telegrams is a fed, it's what we do.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 02:56:11 PMSo, you're a fed. Makes sense.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 02:58:50 PMHmm who is the poster who is always all like civil war time now everytime Biden farts? Let's see, I forget his name, must be somewhere around here...
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 03:04:01 PMThat's just obvious and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks so. Anyway, the reason I said that is because you "it's what we do." Well, I certainly don't do that so you must be a fed, right? It would make sense given your slavish devotion to maintaining the deep state establishment.
Quote from: albrecht on September 23, 2022, 03:13:02 PMI think more of a concern is that so many 'operations' or attacks are allowed to go on. Despite informants, embedded agents, outside entities (how-shall-we-say but tribal,) and now in more modern times internet traffic and data where almost everything tracked and monitored. Yet, still allowed to go ahead. Elohim City was fully infiltrated and monitored but OKC still allowed. Or, at minimum, ignored. I seem to recall the old Commie paper and organization made most of their income from FBI etc. Likewise the Klan and various groups. The Muzzies also always get nailed, when it is politically expedient, but ignored when greater agendas can be advanced. People so many 'on the radar' 'previously interviewed' 'was arrested but released' etc. Even more mundane. Look at Whitey Bulger!
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 03:23:04 PMprotect that asset. Cold calculations, above my pay grade. Speculation is pointless
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 03:23:04 PMcan drive yourself nuts over that stuff.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 03:23:04 PMI seem to remember how in WWII intelligence elected numerous times not to warn of impending attacks because it would reveal to the enemy that their code was broken, Allied servicemen died senselessly but it was deemed necessary in order to protect that asset. Cold calculations, above my pay grade. Speculation is pointless, can drive yourself nuts over that stuff.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 02:33:55 PMNo, the Clintons did.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 02:33:55 PMHe was their patsy.
Quote from: Juan on September 23, 2022, 03:05:06 PMRumor is there are more FBI Ku Klux members than there are dedicated Klan members.
Quote from: Juan on September 23, 2022, 03:05:06 PMRumor is there are more FBI Ku Klux members than there are dedicated Klan members. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with right wing groups.
Quote from: albrecht on September 23, 2022, 03:27:35 PMSure, like actuarial tables. 'How much is an arm worth?' etc. Triage in an emergency or battle situation. But there is a fine line, and usually (hopefully) not crossed is when an informant, embedded agent, etc is supposed to do something really bad. But as they say certain situations you get many bad choices and a lesser of evils or use a bad for a good. Still tough.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 03:46:05 PMPoint being, that is how modern intelligence services have always run, and it doesn't take some sort of giant conspiracy theory to see, for example, that 9/11 was mined tirelessly to promote the Bushes' war, from the point of view of the average citizen it doesn't ultimately matter who did it or knew about it, the manipulation and flag-waving jingoism is plain enough in retrospect.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 23, 2022, 03:37:46 PMYes right-wing groups are particularly susceptible to this because they are typically hierarchical, run by bullish personalities concerned with order and authority, keep meticulous member lists and oaths etc., I forget what group it was out here Patriot Prayer or Oaf Beepers or something, guy was busted with set of index cards of all associates' names, addresses, records of loyalty pledges lol just dumbasses
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 04:58:41 PMYou see something nefarious and cryptofasciat about a members list?!
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 22, 2022, 11:24:33 PMFrom Wikipedia:On July 19, 2004, it was revealed that the United States Department of Justice was investigating Berger for unauthorized removal of classified documents in October 2003 from a National Archives reading room prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission. The documents were five classified copies of a single report commissioned from Richard Clarke covering internal assessments of the Clinton Administration's handling of the unsuccessful 2000 millennium attack plots. An associate of Berger said Berger took one copy in September 2003 and four copies in October 2003, allegedly by stuffing the documents into his socks and pants. Berger subsequently lied to investigators when questioned about the removal of the documents.In April 2005, Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington, D.C.Berger was fined $50,000, sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for three years. The Justice Department initially said Berger only stole copies of classified documents and not originals, but the House Government Reform Committee later revealed that an unsupervised Berger had been given access to classified files of original, uncopied, uninventoried documents on terrorism. During the House Government Reform Committee hearings, Nancy Kegan Smith — who was the director of the presidential documents staff at the National Archives and Records Administration — acknowledged that she had granted Berger access to original materials in her office.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 23, 2022, 07:40:05 PMAlternatively. Asia Janay Lavarello, was on a temporary assignment at the US Embassy in Manilla when she took classified documents from the embassy to her hotel room, according to court filings. She hosted a dinner party at her hotel on the day she removed the documents, March 20, 2020, and an embassy co-worker in attendance found the documents, which had classified markings on them, according to the court filings. She was working on a thesis and had no nefarious intent. And went to prison. The poetic irony is under drump, the sentence in prison for such a crime was increased from one to five years. Per charge.
Quote from: GravitySucks on September 23, 2022, 08:18:03 PMhttps://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/1572688969485238275
QuoteTrump baselessly bashed Obama for transferring records from the White House to Chicago. Here's why Obama was allowed while Trump is under scrutiny by the FBI.Donald Trump invoked Barack Obama while bashing the FBI raid on his Mar-a-Lago home on August 8.Trump and Fox News compared his situation to Obama moving records to Chicago after his term.The National Archives took it upon itself to dispel Trump's claims.Former President Donald Trump is no longer satisfied with talking only about Hillary Clinton's emails when it comes to deflecting potential allegations he mishandled classified documents.As part of his shifting defense following the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, the former president and his allies are bringing up completely unrelated claims about former President Barack Obama.On August 8, the FBI executed an unprecedented search warrant on Trump's Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Florida. It's now known that federal agents were retrieving sensitive White House documents — some of which were marked highly classified or top secret — and that the Justice Department is investigating whether the former president broke federal laws by keeping them and obstructing the probe by claiming that the files have all been returned.In the days following the raid, Trump and his allies on Fox News delivered the whataboutism defense of Obama transferring records from the White House to Chicago for his presidential library."What happened to the 30 million pages of documents taken from the White House to Chicago by Barack Hussein Obama? He refused to give them back!" Trump wrote in an August 11 post on Truth Social. "What is going on? This act was strongly at odds with NARA. Will they be breaking into Obama's 'mansion' in Martha's Vineyard?"The former president and his son Donald Trump Jr. cited an opinion piece published by The New York Post in support of their baseless accusations.But the facts don't align with Trump's statementsTens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility — which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records. Federal law requires that presidents and their administrations keep a detailed collection of emails, documents, and even gifts from their time in office since all of those things are actually the property of the American people.In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.On August 12, the National Archives took it upon itself to further dispel Trump's claims."NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration."Apart from the long processes, Obama's presidential library will break from the precedent in that the Obama Foundation will pay for the unclassified records to be digitized in a bid to democratize access to the documents, in what has been billed to be the "first digital archives for the first digital president," according to The New York Times.Trump and Trump Jr. also drew on a line from The New York Post column noting that, to date, the records transferred to Obama's presidential library have yet to digitize the materials and make them available to the public — five years since the end of his term and when the record transfer began.Though the delay has sparked some ire from historians and critics, the process of transferring the records themselves often take years, not to mention the task of digitizing roughly 30 million documents to be made available online.Trump's lawyer, on the other hand, said the Feds took at least a dozen boxes containing sensitive — and some "top secret" — material from the former president's Mar-a-Lago home, according to The Washington Post. The FBI's search warrant was aimed at finding out if Trump had taken documents home with him that should have been turned over at the end of his term.Though Trumpworld can draw similarities between Trump and Obama both taking records from the White House, the significant difference in how they took the documents explains why the former remains under scrutiny by the FBI and the latter is still in the process of setting up a library unbothered by federal law enforcement.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 23, 2022, 08:38:54 PMhttps://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-2022-8Upshot: Obama didn't break the law, drump did. But he hasn't said why he moved them to his golf club. And his lawyers haven't said in court that the FBI planted evidence. Trump's legal team pick special master has asked they present evidence that happened, but so far they're schtum on that.. weird, cos drump was keen for everyone to know that nugget of news.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 23, 2022, 08:38:54 PMhttps://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-2022-8Upshot: Obama didn't break the law, drump did.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 23, 2022, 09:07:57 PMUpshot:And it's extremely biased, not based.